Fake Injuries...

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The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???
 
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You just play the cards ur dealt Coach has an idea of how most Sec teams will try to stop us now.The faking injuries isn't anything new with this offense just needs to learn how to control the clock its crucial.Until the we sh*t the bed Ncaa gets dismantled I doubt anything is done..Shame it's an easy fix but teams have every rite to exploit it and we just have to figure it out unfortunately
 
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vols1071 said:
The late new "rule" for fake injuries may or may not have an impact... I suspect it wont have much an impact.... People saying Heupal has to have an answer for fake injuries and make adjustments... What can you do???
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Make them sit a qtr for evaluation purposes. No school should want to play an injured player. Put them in the ploppers tent with no ac.
 
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Defcon5 said:
Make them sit a qtr for evaluation purposes. No school should want to play an injured player. Put them in the ploppers tent with no ac, and Richard Simmons.
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FYP.

On a more serious note? Have neutral trainers on each sideline to monitor what is going on. It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between a fake or real injury concern. You do not want college football turning into a soccer copycat.
 
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TNnative said:
FYP.

On a more serious note? Have neutral trainers on each sideline to monitor what is going on. It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between a fake or real injury concern. You do not want college football turning into a soccer copycat.
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Won’t work. Good idea. A neutral trainer can not tell if I am faking it.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Make the injured player sit out for the rest of the drive or at least 4 plays. This should only apply to the defense, because that is where the issue lies for the time being.
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The NCAA considered that, but then decided against it saying that they were fearful it would entice athletes to push thru minor injuries more than they already do for fear of having to sit out, which could result in further injury to said player. I get it, but I dont agree with it. I’m still on this side of the argument. Make them sit.
 
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Gotta have a few 5 hour games to rile networks and fans to get the NCAAs attention....for next season. Until then we consider it rest for our defense and take the opportunity to sub in more of our guys so we stay fresher offensively. Maybe that will help with our issues in the second quarters of games. It is what it is. Might as well roll with it. Having said that any team that pulls the fainting goat routine wouldn't get a lick of concern from me about running up the score. If an opponent forces me to keep my guys out there for another hour or two risking injury, I'd make 'em pay on the scoreboard if I could. No running the clock. We play until the gun scoring as much as we can.
 
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Defcon5 said:
Won’t work. Good idea. A neutral trainer can not tell if I am faking it.
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How about a mandate of only NCAA-appointed, neutral medical and training staffs, present for game situations only? This would allow the schools to still utilize trainers and medical staff during practices and scrimmages but take out some of the potential bias of a trainer or medic present from the other team to observe and still have the “injured player” fake the injury in the tent.

Likely a pipe dream, but I don’t see how this option could be bad if they really want to enact a change yet still not penalize offenses by stopping the pace/flow of a game for substitutions all the time.
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
Can a cramp due to dehydration complaint be disputed by a medical person?
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i would think you should be able to discern a true cramp.. for one you would be screaming because it freaking hurts! and secondly, you can actually palpate the muscle contracting or clenching (I get them in my calves from time to time)..just ‘oh I have a cramp, look at me I’m limping’…’no you don’t’ A faker should be spotted fairly easily.. oh and dorsiflexion/plantar flexion signs.. I’m not sure about all of the ‘cramps’ .. ‘I’d be like, drink some Gatorade and I don’t want to see you again on this sideline because you are a faker’ ‘but then again, let’s just maybe keep you for observation…’ Once the leg cramp dissipates, the contracture lessens.. they could cramp up again shortly, however, if it is actually a true cramp..So sitting out would universally be best practice imo.. As a nurse, you are trained all pain is subjective.. As a person who has these, if you are not writhing and crying.. I don’t believe you lol
 
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I Heup he can use it like a free timeout, discuss things like coverages and tendencies of the game/series/drive, and get the O set up for the next big play.

Train your guys to recognize the stoppage of play and have them come toward the sideline to discuss what the D is doing, personnel, and how to take advantage of the look they're being given. Heup and Co seem to be fairly good at adjustments.

That's the best way to deal with it without some major rule change iyam.
 
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The only way to fix this is for Heupel to take a game we would probably lose anyway on the road and decide beforehand to fake an injury literally every other play to make it so obvious and egregious, delay the game by more than an hour, have the announcers and national media so outraged at how over the top it is that the NCAA would be forced to implement a meaningful rule
 
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The Original Fade said:
The only way to fix this is for Heupel to take a game we would probably lose anyway on the road and decide beforehand to fake an injury literally every other play to make it so obvious and egregious, delay the game by more than an hour, have the announcers and national media so outraged at how over the top it is that the NCAA would be forced to implement a meaningful rule
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Spiteful. I like it.
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
Can a cramp due to dehydration complaint be disputed by a medical person?
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Yes, and as a physical therapist, I see/feel these things all the time. They resolve fairly quickly but true dehydration itself is reason to disallow a player to return to play. You can't just fix that with a cup of gatorade on the sideline between two plays, and dehydration will also have other symptoms. This is where the MD on the sidelines will be more beneficial.
 
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I'm with @CAVPUT on this one. Make the game unusually long so the NCAA will see the problems with these fake injuries. Problem is that not all teams would do this and those that do would be branded as trouble makers.
 
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supersmo18 said:
Yes, and as a physical therapist, I see/feel these things all the time. They resolve fairly quickly but true dehydration itself is reason to disallow a player to return to play. You can't just fix that with a cup of gatorade on the sideline between two plays, and dehydration will also have other symptoms. This is where the MD on the sidelines will be more beneficial.
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Agreed, RN here.. and an MD would/should probably make them sit out.. They should have MDs on the sideline.. my dad is an ortho and would be on sidelines MTSU games.. but that was a long time ago, not sure if it’s changed..They could be like, hey, could be a blood clot/DVt, better sit out.. unlikely, but not impossible.. particularly with Covid and extra clotty coagulated blood we all have now… Do a Doppler in the tent.. unless you want your (the MD) ass potentially sued off… my husband’s Covid/ Covid vaccine strokes were missed.. so it’s not like it’s off in left field.. they better be careful with this
 
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norrislakevol said:
Make the injured player sit out for the rest of the drive or at least 4 plays. This should only apply to the defense, because that is where the issue lies for the time being.
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No apply it to both sides of the ball. There are plenty of times a fake on offensive comes in handy.
 
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NCAA refuses to do anything that looks punitive to floppers, lest it encourage a player to stay in the game to avoid hurting his teams chances. The irony of that is that when Hooker had a no-doubter injury and had to go,out, it cost TN 10 seconds of valuable clock time. It probably cost us a play, at least made us run a more desperate play. Why does this work for the offense, but not the defense?
 
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It’s my understanding the NCAA have expressed their disapproval of faking injuries and are trying to figure out the best way to address the issue without jeopardizing the safety of the players.

Right now it’s all after the fact, turn in footage of fakers and they get in trouble with the NCAA, process. I get it. They know it’s a problem so blatantly faking injuries to make a point isn’t going to be answer and actually could get JH in “trouble”.

I would like to see a montage of obvious fakes on the the video boards to start the 2nd and 4th quarters.

A rule change that a team can only sub for the players that are injured, unless a TO is called or the other team decides to sub too.

This doesn’t address the in game implications of fake injuries completely, but it’s a start that won’t jeopardize the players’ safety.

I was fortunate enough to attend a game last year and one of our guys keep getting hurt on the PAT. After the game an opposing fan made the comment that our guys had too many cookies to eat before the game. After I explained to him that faking an injury going into a tv timeout isn’t how it works, but after 2nd down is the best time to fake and injury since the injury TO gives the team a chance to sub for fresh players, giving the coaches a chance to go over strategy and disrupt the rhythm of the offense.

I think we will see better acting this year.
 
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Nothing you can do because a trainer is always going to take any injury serious. That being said there’s not a trainer alive that’s going to go against the HC if he says to “buy us some time”.
 
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