Fact vs Fiction on UF/LSU from SEC Country

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From SEC COUNTRY...more food for thought...mods can merge if they choose or delete if it's already been posted. As I've stated in other discussions, there's plenty of blame to go around and Sankey looks like the emperor without clothes.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Facts are not fun, especially during moments of controversy and debate.

Hot takes are what move the needle, and we’ve heard plenty of them this weekend in regard to the Florida-LSU game being postponed.

Both schools and SEC commissioner Greg Sankey have received a ton of criticism for how the situation was handled and who’s to blame for the outcome.

The obvious answer should be Hurricane Matthew, which caused at least 19 deaths in four states, record flooding, millions of power outages and an estimated $6 billion in economic damage.

Those aren’t the only facts that have been glossed over this weekend:

Fiction: Florida decided to cancel the LSU game
Fact: Florida and LSU were involved in the decision-making process, but SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and his office ultimately made the call. Both athletic directors, Florida’s Jeremy Foley and LSU’s Joe Alleva, said this Thursday.

Foley: “This is the right decision. I fully support the Southeastern Conference’s decision to postpone the game.”

Alleva: “At the end of the day, the Commissioner’s office had the final say on what happens.”

After communicating with each school and monitoring the storm Thursday, Sankey came to the following conclusion.

“It became clear that the University of Florida could neither host nor travel to a game this weekend considering the circumstances,” he said.

Fiction: Florida could have played LSU on Saturday
Fact: Hindsight is 20/20. Florida and the SEC got ripped Wednesday and early Thursday for even considering the possibility of playing the game. But by Thursday afternoon, Hurricane Matthew had slightly shifted to the west (toward Gainesville) with the potential of becoming a Category 5 storm.

Fortunately for Gainesville, the hurricane weakened, stayed east and did not cause significant damage in the city. That was an unpredictable outcome, however, and weather projections suggested otherwise Thursday. But come Saturday, many questioned why a game wasn’t being played.

“The developments of the hurricane in the last 24 hours, the projected magnitude of its impact and the unknown aftermath of this storm have resulted in this decision,” Sankey said at the time. “We have to be sensitive to the possible imminent disruption to the state of Florida and in particular the Gainesville and surrounding area.”

Fiction: Florida could have played LSU on Sunday
Fact: Again, that’s easy to say after the hurricane had not been as devastating in Gainesville as initially feared.

But Matthew still decimated nearby cities such as St. Augustine. Instead of working the Florida-LSU game, the Gainesville Fire Department was deployed to assist surrounding areas affected by the storm.

Their absence in Gainesville and that of other first responders — as well as law enforcement — prevented a home game from happening this weekend.

“You had no resources. You had no personnel. The resources in Gainesville are overstressed already,” Foley said Thursday. “You cannot plan and hope that come Sunday this would all work out. One thing our staff does a great job of is plan for the worst and hope for the best. You can’t plan something and hope it all works out.”

Jay Logan, the associate athletic director for event and facility management at Mississippi State, told SEC Country the storm also could have affected the hundreds of members of Florida’s on-site staff — ticket takers, bag checkers, ushers, parking attendants, concessions workers, etc.

And the school, which canceled classes Friday, could not project how much help or shelter the city of Gainesville would need to provide for evacuees. UF Health Shands Hospital, for example, took in hundreds of evacuee patients.

“Just because the weather’s good (on game day) does not mean that everything is good elsewhere,” Logan said. “People need hotels. Food and water. There may be people still without power. There may be people who need some basic necessities because they’ve been relocated from wherever they are. … Some of the people working the games may be having to take care of those people.

“You’ve gotta look at it far enough out: Can hotels accommodate fans coming in, as well as residents being relocated? You have people that are dislocated by a storm that may be moving into hotels, may be consuming things that teams would use, and people’s safety would take priority over these teams coming in and using rooms to play a game.”

Fiction: Florida could have played at LSU
Fact: LSU offered to host the Gators, but they could not make the trip with such short notice and a hurricane potentially affecting their travel. Last year, South Carolina began planning Sunday to play the upcoming Saturday in Baton Rouge instead of Columbia, S.C. So that comparison is apples to oranges.

Others have pointed to Florida’s soccer and volleyball teams making road trips Sunday. The traveling party for football is three times the size of those two teams combined and requires security personnel and police escorts.

“To try to put a road trip together of 150-plus people in a day and half,” Foley said, “not knowing the condition of the roads, not knowing the conditions of the airports, trying to get equipment out there, that’s not in the best interest of safety, not in the best interest of people that would be involved in that trip.

“You aren’t going to put your team on the road and still have the same issue about traveling equipment trucks through this kind of weather. Traveling a team without any security because security forces are being deployed where they should be deployed. Would there be gas for the buses? Could you get buses? There’s so many unknowns.”

Alleva understood Foley’s concerns.

“Traveling, there’s a lot of safety issues,” Alleva said when asked if Florida was stubborn for not coming to Baton Rouge. “There were no police. I don’t know if you all listened to Jeremy’s press conference, but I’m sympathetic to what he said. I understand what he said.”

Fiction: Florida should have played since Miami and South Carolina did
Fact: As Foley said, Gainesville’s resources are already overstressed and the ability to handle a hurricane differs from city to city. Sankey explained this Saturday on CBS.

“Each of those is their own unique set of circumstances,” he said. “There’s a point at which you need to make some decision. Thursday afternoon that storm was strengthening. It was passing north of Miami by projection (mostly missing the 305 area code) and Gainesville was well inside the hurricane zone.

Emergency personnel were being pulled away that could staff that football game. We have to remember that security issues and demands are very different today than they were a year ago.

“We didn’t know how players’ families would be impacted … and you had a bunch of evacuees who were moving from the coast into the Gainesville area. A number of those things are different than what we saw in Georgia-South Carolina where there was bus travel involved, we could secure space for the team to stay without displacing evacuees. Local emergency personnel were still available to staff the game. We have to understand those differences.”

Fiction: Florida was scared to play LSU
Fact: Just stop. No scholarship players in the SEC are afraid of a football game.

And the Gators and quarterback Luke Del Rio weren’t trying to dodge a home matchup against an LSU team with an interim coach, a sidelined Leonard Fournette and several injured starters on the offensive line.

Fiction: Florida was the only in-state team that didn’t play this weekend
Fact: On Wednesday, Central Florida postponed its game against Tulane to Nov. 5, rather than playing on Sunday or traveling to Louisiana. UCF must be scared of the Green Wave.

Fiction: Florida still hosted recruits after the game was postponed
Fact: Fox Sports’ Clay Travis and rival fans started this false rumor.

Miami fans got upset when former Hurricanes commit C.J. Henderson sent out a tweet Friday that showed his location being Gainesville, Fla.

SEC Country reached out to Henderson and the 4-star cornerback said he arrived on Thursday before a decision had been made on the game.

He has family in Gainesville and planned to spend the weekend with them as well as attend the Florida-LSU game on an unofficial visit. But he cut his trip short and left early Saturday morning because of the postponement.

UF did not bring in any recruits after the game was canceled and host them on campus during the weekend.

Fiction: Florida does not want to reschedule the LSU game
Fact: ESPN’s Brett McMurphy reported — twice — that Florida offered to play the Tigers on Nov. 19 and they refused. Alleva claims those conversations haven’t taken place.

Regardless, Foley made it clear he wants to reschedule.
“The University of Florida is 100 percent behind whatever scenario they can come up with that allows this game to be played. If the 19th is one of those dates that allows it to work, the Gators will be there,” he said. “It’s not an issue about Florida not wanting to play LSU. I think and I hope everybody understands that.”

Fiction: Giving up a home game to play Florida will cost LSU millions
Fact: The SEC has a new lost-revenue insurance policy that went into effect this year. LSU reportedly makes $3 million per home game, and insurance would cover that. It already has to account for one Florida home game.
That policy — or the league itself — also may be able to pay the Nov. 19 contract buyouts for the Presbyterian (Florida) and South Alabama (LSU) games, which would be less than $2 million in total.
 
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Here is my question. How the hell did Tennessee play at Lsu on Monday night after one of the most devastating hurricanes of all time?
 
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The questions and answers are completely out of context.

The ESPN article was a lie, at least according to LSU, and nobody as far as I know has claimed to offered alternative dates, times, and location other than LSU. The last one about lost revenue is might be untrue, but I am not for sure, insurance probably is only going to cover the expenses if the game is unplayable, not if the host elects to play elsewhere. Either way, Florida in theory could go to LSU for Senior Night since the claim is that there is no lost revenue. The SEC hasn't said the the two games are paid for either way.

Seems like more unclean hands attempt by a fan. Keep digging I get a kick out of this.

I hate to tell ya, but weather was much worse here in NC and that crap was cleared out by evening Saturday and they were playing games in downpours here.

Yet.... somehow the Panthers played last night against Tampa, how in the heck did the Bucs even plan this? :eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol: I guess in theory the hurricane could have came up through Baton Rouge and hit the relocated game there as well... you have to plan for the worse.

I hope this came from the Onion. :eek:lol: LSU agreed to play without a crowd, I believe at multiple locations.... no or limited personnel needed.... coaches, staff, players and refs only. :eek:lol: LSU offered their plane to get all the Florida personnel to whatever location they wanted, and even secured hotels in two locations. :eek:lol:
 
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FACT: this article picks up at the point where the decision was made to cancel the game and doesn't even attempt to answer the questions that are being asked about the three days that led up to the decision and the CONTINUAL stalling by FLORIDA by not accepting the game given to them at LSU in order to GET THIS GAME CANCELLED for the CONTINUAL benefit of FLORIDA. If I were LSU I would tell them to go poke themselves too.
 
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I agree, which is why I said there's plenty of blame to go around.

I know dude. I've read the couple of posts you've put up over the last couple of days.

It's just a mess that didn't need to go this far but that is OBE now. Frankly regardless of whether the game gets played or not the one real thing that matters is the integrity of the SECCG. And yes as UT fans we obviously care more about that than other fan bases right now. However if you remove the bias I still think at this point that is the only issue that matters.
 
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As unaccommodative and unreasonable as Foley has been during all of this, I still have a very hard time believing that when the hurricane was on its way, Foley and the UF administration are sitting there thinking "Let's slow play this and get out of playing this game."

However, that is the most logical conclusion you can arrive at based on their actions (or lack thereof) in the week before the game.
 
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fact: no where in that article was playing the game monday ever discussed.
fact: cancelling the game saturday...right move.
fact: not having an agreed upon make update/contingency plan....wrong move.
fact: there's no consequence for LSU or Florida for NOT playing the game
fact: every other game impacted, got rescheduled and replayed, save 1.

i was called everything under the sun for "defending Florida" last week. but this is about 2 things....ensure safety for all involved, or that could be impacted by the storm.
then, figure out how to play the game, or understand the consequence for not playing it.

we nailed 1. failed miserably at 2. and if i have to watch FL play in the title game because of it, well, that will just suck.
 
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Fact: UF knew that without LDR, they had a .001% chance of winning.

Fact: Foley and Sankey are both as ignorant as a mentally challenged cow.
 
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a lot of people, and I mean a lot of very protective of Sankey but he really screwed up here.

I saw every projection of the hurricane path and NONE had it hitting or coming very close to Gainesville. It was passing Gainesville to the east and anyone who knows jack**** about hurricanes knows the west side is the least damaging side. Gainesville was west of Matthew.

Where matthew hit land in North Carolina, the area east and north of the hurricane eye is what has flooded.
 
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Whoever wrote that article lost me at this obvious lie: "But by Thursday afternoon, Hurricane Matthew had slightly shifted to the west (toward Gainesville) with the potential of becoming a Category 5 storm."

Now, there are a ton of hurricane tracking software applications out there. It is conceivable that some freak outlier showed Gainesville in Matthew's sights. But none of the more reputable tracks, the ones amalgamated by the National Hurricane Center into its prediction cone, ever showed Matthew coming within 25-50 miles of Gainesville. Certainly not after Wednesday mid-day, when I started watching closely.

From Wednesday mid-day on, the NHC predictions for Gainesville never changed significantly:
  • Near-zero chance of hurricane winds; ~20% chance of 50 knot winds; 50-60% chance of tropical storm level winds (39 knots).
  • Zero chance of effect from storm surge (Gaineville way too far inland for this).
  • Rainfall prediction of 2"-4" (which is rough equivalent of a typical sea breeze effect thunderstorm in central Florida).

If the writer will make this falsehood up (or borrow it from some fringe prediction model to suit his case), what else in the article is also made up?

So I stopped reading at that point.

Shame on Florida for being opportunistic with a storm event, and shame on Foley for taking advantage of a new (and apparently weak) SEC Commissioner.
 
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Sankey hard at work ---
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Why should LSU give up a home game when Florida decided not to play on a partly cloudy day?

they shouldn't. they should have had 2-3 contingency plans on possible rescheduling options, based on how bad the storm really was.

they didn't do that, Sankey didn't demand they do it, so here we are.
 
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Fact: UF knew that without LDR, they had a .001% chance of winning.

Fact: Foley and Sankey are both as ignorant as a mentally challenged cow.

That theory would make more sense if Fournette wasn't hobbled and LSU wasn't missing a couple linemen, in addition to starting a transfer QB from Purdue who couldn't beat out our transfer QB from Purdue when they were both at Purdue.

If the storm wasn't a concern, there was plenty of incentive for UF to play LSU this past week.

The notion that UF was afraid to play LSU is laughable, but if you're looking for conspiracy theories keeping UT from winning the East, this is the place to be.

(Spoiler alert: UT wins the East whether we play LSU on 11/19 or the 12th of never.)
 

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