EU and the failing socialist experiment

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One need look no further than Ireland to see how socialism is an abject failure. Margaret Thatcher's definition was correct. Since the bureaucracy that is in Brussels is watching England leave, they are in panic mode about where to find other monies. Enter AAPL. For the last few years, they have had no problem with the arrangement they had with the Emerald Isle, but now they are seeing the departure of another cash cow and they need to replace it. More taxation. Yup. That will keep them there.

"Rich 'people' just need to pay a little more" - some idiot said that.
 
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Socialism, or, more specifically, capitalist-socialism mixed economies work pretty well when demographics are on your side. As soon as these start failing, however, you're in deep doodie. That's largely what we're seeing now in Western/Northern Europe.

The problem here, however, is that we have a system where we don't know when to stop. Whether it be allowing big business to take more and more or expanded entitlement programs, we don't know when to stop. The result will be increasing demand for socialist policies.

But, we only have ourselves to blame. Runaway capitalism's excesses have set the stage for its own suicide. It was a good two century run, but I have a feeling that the end is nigh.
 
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The Wall Street Journal seems to think Ireland is doing OK. They suffered after the economic crisis to 2008 like most every country did. And according to WSJ they did quite well before that.

In Ireland, Economic Growth Soars Again - WSJ




OOPS forgot you have to be a subscriber. Enough of the article is available that you can get the drift.

Also to the OP. You might become a little better informed if you purchase a subscription.
 
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The Wall Street Journal seems to think Ireland is doing OK. They suffered after the economic crisis to 2008 like most every country did. And according to WSJ they did quite well before that.

In Ireland, Economic Growth Soars Again - WSJ




OOPS forgot you have to be a subscriber. Enough of the article is available that you can get the drift.

Also to the OP. You might become a little better informed if you purchase a subscription.

Did the article state that Ireland's corporate tax rate is 15%? I'm sure that hasn't anything to do with their economic success either..
 
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Did the article state that Ireland's corporate tax rate is 15%? I'm sure that hasn't anything to do with their economic success either..

Yes it did state that. It is one of the lowest rates in the free world. Also they have one of the highest individual tax rates and highest per capita incomes. The corporations pay well. Individuals pay taxes and get a good return especially in healthcare.

Low corporate taxes are good for the economy if the corporations are good citizens. I'm afraid US corporations would just pocket the money and keep wages and benefits low.
 
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Yes it did state that. It is one of the lowest rates in the free world. Also they have one of the highest individual tax rates and highest per capita incomes. The corporations pay well. Individuals pay taxes and get a good return especially in healthcare.

Low corporate taxes are good for the economy if the corporations are good citizens. I'm afraid US corporations would just pocket the money and keep wages and benefits low.
So let's just keep those high corporate tax rates in the hopes that corporations will be stupid enough to start/keep their international businesses based here. Worked for the shipping industry.:unsure:
 
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So let's just keep those high corporate tax rates in the hopes that corporations will be stupid enough to start/keep their international businesses based here. Worked for the shipping industry.:unsure:

No, not at all. I'm for lower corporate taxes but the corporations will have to play fair with their newfound wealth. Capitalism has to be regulated to a certain degree or it's just a monopoly game with one winner.



OK............Signing off here............on my way to Knoxville.
 
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No, not at all. I'm for lower corporate taxes but the corporations will have to play fair with their newfound wealth. Capitalism has to be regulated to a certain degree or it's just a monopoly game with one winner.



OK............Signing off here............on my way to Knoxville.

I too am for a lower corporate tax rate, but American corporations are just scum of the Earth. They used to care about their employees but not anymore. European corporations at least still have some love for their employees.

I say give us a lower corporate tax rate, but that's largely as a desperate last ditch effort. I'm not sure anything will ever get these *******s back in shape and if that doesn't, then we know for certain that they're just pulling the wool over our eyes. I hate to say it, but there may eventually come a time when the nationalization of major American industries is required to avoid an all-out bloodletting. They're out of control, and I'm not sure anything shy of nationalization will reel them in. I'm willing to give alternatives a shot though before going that route, because I know it presents its own grave dangers.

Add in the inevitability of automation nearly across-the-board, and I am afraid that our future is a violent one. As one of the big Amazon investors recently wrote his fellow billionaires, there's only two ends to the route we're currently taking: police state or revolution.
 
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I too am for a lower corporate tax rate, but American corporations are just scum of the Earth. They used to care about their employees but not anymore. European corporations at least still have some love for their employees.

I say give us a lower corporate tax rate, but that's largely as a desperate last ditch effort. I'm not sure anything will ever get these *******s back in shape and if that doesn't, then we know for certain that they're just pulling the wool over our eyes. I hate to say it, but there may eventually come a time when the nationalization of major American industries is required to avoid an all-out bloodletting. They're out of control, and I'm not sure anything shy of nationalization will reel them in. I'm willing to give alternatives a shot though before going that route, because I know it presents its own grave dangers.

Add in the inevitability of automation nearly across-the-board, and I am afraid that our future is a violent one. As one of the big Amazon investors recently wrote his fellow billionaires, there's only two ends to the route we're currently taking: police state or revolution.

Thanks. Be sure to tell your management your feelings.
 
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Thanks. Be sure to tell your management your feelings.

After President Trump has us all earning the six figure salaries required just to have a prayer to balance the budget, I may just say to Mr. Big Corporation Man, "Mr. Big Corporation Man, sir, I would like to say that you were severely misunderstood, and I sincerely apologize to you."
 
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After President Trump has us all earning the six figure salaries required just to have a prayer to balance the budget, I may just say to Mr. Big Corporation Man, "Mr. Big Corporation Man, sir, I would like to say that you were severely misunderstood, and I sincerely apologize to you."

Good. Apology accepted.
 
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After President Trump has us all earning the six figure salaries required just to have a prayer to balance the budget, I may just say to Mr. Big Corporation Man, "Mr. Big Corporation Man, sir, I would like to say that you were severely misunderstood, and I sincerely apologize to you."
We don't have to earn six figure salaries dummy. Those with jobs have to pay six figure tax bills to balance the deficit that numbnuts has left in his wake of destruction.
 
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I too am for a lower corporate tax rate, but American corporations are just scum of the Earth. They used to care about their employees but not anymore. European corporations at least still have some love for their employees.

I say give us a lower corporate tax rate, but that's largely as a desperate last ditch effort. I'm not sure anything will ever get these *******s back in shape and if that doesn't, then we know for certain that they're just pulling the wool over our eyes. I hate to say it, but there may eventually come a time when the nationalization of major American industries is required to avoid an all-out bloodletting. They're out of control, and I'm not sure anything shy of nationalization will reel them in. I'm willing to give alternatives a shot though before going that route, because I know it presents its own grave dangers.

Add in the inevitability of automation nearly across-the-board, and I am afraid that our future is a violent one. As one of the big Amazon investors recently wrote his fellow billionaires, there's only two ends to the route we're currently taking: police state or revolution.

I actually agree with much of this. The last paragraph is right on the money. We are quickly approaching that fork in the road.
 
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It seems I may be proven wrong about Brexit after all... Although I was correct about the fall in currency value and the short/medium-term economic uncertainty, the British economy seems to be picking up pace again. The manufacturing figures out today - which show a nice growth rate - confounded many of the so-called 'experts' at the IMF and Bank of England (BoE). These people should have learned from '08, QE doesn't work and is just a big, fat waste of money. Thankfully, I am hearing murmurs that the BoE might ease up on monetary stimulus if there is a continuation of positive economic reporting over the next several months.

In terms of the decision by the EU to retroactively tax Apple to the tone of £11bn, it is a incredibly stupid decision. They are making up the tax rules as they go along. This decision sends out a signal, if you're a big business - or any business for that matter - don't set up your HQ in an EU country because you could be hit with a nasty bill even though no such tax law existed when you were operating. Britain could take advantage of this incredibly short-sighted and stupid decision.

So I have begin to come up with some ideas that I think will make Britain one of the most dynamic and attractive economic locations in the world post-Brexit:

- Lower corporation tax - I won't specify a level but we should make it as low as is humanly possible. This will attract more businesses to the country, likely increase average wages and create more jobs.

- Negotiate as many free trade deals as possible - free trade and open markets are hugely beneficial to the economy. Britain can be one of the most open markets in the world, and negotiating mutually-beneficial trade deals without the need to do so within an EU block could grow the UK economy exponentially.

- Become a 'Tiger economy' - Lower-taxes (remove stamp duty and inheritance tax completely) and move towards a system that taxes consumption, not income. Lower regulation to remove red-tape and barriers that prevent business growth.

- Control immigration but allow for easy-visa access for highly-skilled individuals. This will be easier to do outside the EU and will open up more low-skilled job opportunities for those currently on welfare.


Of course there could be many more ideas to add, but the overall economic movement must be classically liberal in form.

(I even see scope for introducing a negative income tax in future, here is an interesting report by The Adam Smith Institute on the attractiveness and feasibility of such a tax system: http://static1.squarespace.com/stat...9df/1459261353661/NIT_WEB.pdf?format=original)
 
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We don't have to earn six figure salaries dummy. Those with jobs have to pay six figure tax bills to balance the deficit that numbnuts has left in his wake of destruction.

Obama's budget has nothing to do with Trump's. If you're talking about the national debt, then, yes, we will all absolutely have to have six figure jobs to even pretend to have a chance of paying off the debt in the next ten years or so, as Trump has suggested.
 
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Does anyone honestly believe any politician will even attempt that? In any time frame?

Citizen Trump has said he's going to pay it off, and if that's what Citizen Trump says, then, by god, that's what Citizen Trump is going to do! Just you watch!
 
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Citizen Trump has said he's going to pay it off, and if that's what Citizen Trump says, then, by god, that's what Citizen Trump is going to do! Just you watch!
At least he is talking about it. KKKankles is talking about creating yet another bureaucracy.

All government jobs add to the deficit, and increase taxes.
 
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If you all agree socialism doesn't work:

Why do you still support border control?
 
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Obama's budget has nothing to do with Trump's. If you're talking about the national debt, then, yes, we will all absolutely have to have six figure jobs to even pretend to have a chance of paying off the debt in the next ten years or so, as Trump has suggested.
No, we will need to pay six figure tax bills. Six figure jobs won't do it, because the idiot king has hurt the job market so badly in this country that there are fewer people working to pay those bills. But rich folks can pay a little more, right?

$15/hour min wages all around. Make those ****ers pay taxes for a change.
 
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Citizen Trump has said he's going to pay it off, and if that's what Citizen Trump says, then, by god, that's what Citizen Trump is going to do! Just you watch!

Last I heard him mention the debt, he said the complete opposite. Trump said that with interest rates so low, we should increase the national debt
 

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