Estrella to UM

#76
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UTFranklinVol said:
y'all are a bunch of idiots. I can smell the cheetos on your fingers as you type your cheeseball comments. if someone came on this message board last week and said JP Estrella sucks and we don't want him back they would have been run off this message board.

but y'all change faster than a tranny on amphetamines. good grief.
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I disagree I don't come on here and write anything negative on a current player. I have wrote Estrella had some Kevin McHale vibe just kept hoping he would get better. He was definitely a keep but not knowing the $$$ numbers you at some point have to move on especially if you see a player everyday and no his ceiling. But all of us are idiots for getting on a message board, so that part I agree we all are.....
 
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KTrain said:
I disagree I don't come on here and write anything negative on a current player. I have wrote Estrella had some Kevin McHale vibe just kept hoping he would get better. He was definitely a keep but not knowing the $$$ numbers you at some point have to move on especially if you see a player everyday and no his ceiling. But all of us are idiots for getting on a message board, so that part I agree we all are.....
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I don’t need people here to tell me Im an idiot, I can call my Mom for that.
 
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vol94 said:
I only see posts of folks stating Michigan overpaid. The young man was inconsistent at TN. He was an avg player at best with an upside if he can stay healthy. He is an avg defender at best w/ limited offensive game.

But again, he didn’t get close to $3 mil. If that is what is being reported then it’s from his agent who is trying to inflate the number to attract new clients.
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Link something to support your absolute statement or your no different than the guys you’re accusing of being wrong
 
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UT97Vol said:
I sense tampering. I bet a frosty beverage he was approached by Michigan people in Chicago. This happened too quickly to be a coincidence. Something gotta be done about college sports.
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I’ll bet JP’s agent has been working for months to get JP some great offers as that’s how the system works.
 
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In my view, it all depends on whether he can stay healthy. So far, that has been a "no." But if he can, he could turn into a very productive player. At this point, who knows?
 
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Some Indiana folks are claiming Michigan paid Estrella $3.5M? There's no way it's quite that high, right? Pretty soon we gonna be looking for bottom roster NBA players with remaining college eligibility!
 
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VolatileVol said:
Some Indiana folks are claiming Michigan paid Estrella $3.5M? There's no way it's quite that high, right? Pretty soon we gonna be looking for bottom roster NBA players with remaining college eligibility!
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I mean the best big men in the portal are going to get 4-6 million this cycle so wouldn’t be surprised if he even got 4.
 
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One thing I think, is that TN isn't playing in the same $ arena as these schools that are buying championship rosters (football or basketball). We may pay a huge amount for a single player that gets publicized (Nico/Ament) but I don't think we are ever going to build a "super team". It's gone too far. He who has the most gold wins has never been truer.
 
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joevols89 said:
I mean the best big men in the portal are going to get 4-6 million this cycle so wouldn’t be surprised if he even got 4.
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That's just wild to me. I'd like to pony up for the Kansas guy, but $4m - $6m is pretty absurd for anyone in college. Half the NBA isn't making that much!!!
 
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VolatileVol said:
That's just wild to me. I'd like to pony up for the Kansas guy, but $4m - $6m is pretty absurd for anyone in college. Half the NBA isn't making that much!!!
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the problem people don't consider is that there's only 30 NBA teams and they all have salary caps.

there's over 300 DI NCAA basketball teams all of which have no salary cap.

this is how and why NIL is getting completely out of control. any player can find a team desperate enough to pay top dollar for them. there's literally hundreds of choices.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
the problem people don't consider is that there's only 30 NBA teams and they all have salary caps.

there's over 300 DI NCAA basketball teams all of which have no salary cap.

this is how and why NIL is getting completely out of control. any player can find a team desperate enough to pay top dollar for them. there's literally hundreds of choices.
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I'm not sure it's as different as you are attempting to imply. There are only 20-25 collegiate schools spending $200m on NIL (about 10 basketball teams spending $10M on roster construction last I looked). Essentially there are 20-30 collegiate teams working with similar "salary cap" figures in comparison to everyone else. UT Martin isn't going to be adding a high end transfer anytime soon...
 
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Special Ed said:
I don't mind Estrella moving on, but losing any of our regular contributors to a hated rival is a bit of a slap in the face.
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Michigan is a rival since when? Since 2000 we have played them once in football (2002 45-17 spanking of them in the Citrus Bowl) Basketball we have met them 4 times ('11, '14, '22 and '26) in the tourney all losses. Maybe thats the rivalry? We just happened to run into them a few times in the postseason...

Ya'll be digging deep to manufacture anger these days.
 
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walkenvol said:
Link something to support your absolute statement or your no different than the guys you’re accusing of being wrong
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😂 - I couldn’t care less if others believe or don’t believe. I am on a message board. I don’t pretend to be an insider.

And there is NO link advising how much he received. But the folks at Spyre have a good idea what he received.

Have a good day!
 
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VolatileVol said:
I'm not sure it's as different as you are attempting to imply. There are only 20-25 collegiate schools spending $200m on NIL (about 10 basketball teams spending $10M on roster construction last I looked). Essentially there are 20-30 collegiate teams working with similar "salary cap" figures in comparison to everyone else. UT Martin isn't going to be adding a high end transfer anytime soon...
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Exactly this.... some folks don't research before they do their random math. Yes, there are 360+ div 1 basketball programs...300 of those don't have AD budgets over 20 mil much less enough money to spend 10 on basketball. I'll give you an example. UTC is an above average Div1 basketball program. They are not contenders to make the tourney but they represent the median. Their entire AD budget is 21mil. UTC is not a big school but its not a small one either.

Most of the school in the NCAA tourney have total Ad budgets well under what schools like UT spend on just recruiting.
Howard University 10mil
Akron 35 mil and only 11 of that comes from revenue.
Hofstra 25
Wright State 11
Miami (OH) 40
LIU 17

That's their total operating budgets for coaches, trainers, facilities etc

as @VolatileVol said there are very few schools with money to even pay 1 million to a basketball player, much less 2+. There are schools in the SEC and big10 that can't afford it.
I think if people realised just how few college athletes are getting paid money like that, they'd be surprised.

Here is an example. My football team spent 20mil on players last year
Lets say I spent 3 mil on a QB 2 for a DE another 3 mil for 2 olinemen and 1 mil on a DB. Thats 9 mil for 5 players. I got 11 left.
11/80=137500 on average for the rest of the team. but wait roster is now 105, so I have on average 110k to give each of the rest of my players. So most of my players are making under 6 figures if they are getting anything.

Math is scary...
 
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KTrain said:
I disagree I don't come on here and write anything negative on a current player. I have wrote Estrella had some Kevin McHale vibe just kept hoping he would get better. He was definitely a keep but not knowing the $$$ numbers you at some point have to move on especially if you see a player everyday and no his ceiling. But all of us are idiots for getting on a message board, so that part I agree we all are.....
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Mchale is a weird comparison...their games are very, very different. In fact Mchale would have fouled out of a modern game in about 45 seconds. He was also very very slow-footed. Mchale was a great player for that era where you didnt need a lot of speed, straight line or lateral to play down low. He dropped 56 on Detroit in 85 after the game Larry bird was pissed and said he was gonna break that record against the Hawks.. 9 days later he did. Long story short Mchale was a weird combo of scorer/enforcer and averaged almost 20 points a game in the 80's, which is the equivalent of scoring like 25 in todays game. He was 6'10 225, but about 100 of those was shoulders and forehead. JP is bigger faster and light years more athletic.
 
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pimo1 said:
Mchale is a weird comparison...their games are very, very different. In fact Mchale would have fouled out of a modern game in about 45 seconds. He was also very very slow-footed. Mchale was a great player for that era where you didnt need a lot of speed, straight line or lateral to play down low. He dropped 56 on Detroit in 85 after the game Larry bird was pissed and said he was gonna break that record against the Hawks.. 9 days later he did. Long story short Mchale was a weird combo of scorer/enforcer and averaged almost 20 points a game in the 80's, which is the equivalent of scoring like 25 in todays game. He was 6'10 225, but about 100 of those was shoulders and forehead. JP is bigger faster and light years more athletic.
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Well I really wouldnt call JP athletic and numerous misses around the rim but the game of college is 10 times rougher now than the late 70's. They let ppl body up and bang much more than when McHale played for the Minnesota Gophers and averaged 15 points and 8 rebounds a game. Totally different reffing.
 
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orangemadam said:
I read a lot of jealousy and envy here.

JP was really a good player and a potential all Conference player if he can develop his close qtrs offense
and overcome his injuries. He probably will do that at Mich. That's what makes great teams.

Barnes felt he was asking for too much, so he left. Hope he reaches his potential. No reason to
put all the hate on him. I personally wish we had kept him.
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All conference yeah right. He was a role player that was good but never great. Awful on defense not moving his feet and his foot is not going to get better. We paid what was fair. He chose the greed to play for a team that mocked him. He was one of the worst finishers around the basket in the SEC. Good riddance he is gone. No loyalty to Coach Barnes.
 
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Legion of Doom said:
All conference yeah right. He was a role player that was good but never great. Awful on defense not moving his feet and his foot is not going to get better. We paid what was fair. He chose the greed to play for a team that mocked him. He was one of the worst finishers around the basket in the SEC. Good riddance he is gone. No loyalty to Coach Barnes.
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He also has a NC coach to develop him. He is an immense talent and your hurt feelings cause you to deride him. What an arrogant and immature person you are.
 
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orangemadam said:
He also has a NC coach to develop him. He is an immense talent and your hurt feelings cause you to deride him. What an arrogant and immature person you are.
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JP is not loyal and they offered fair deal and he wanted more. Good for him but he is not a great player. If he was we would have offered elite money. Stop pretending JP is irreplaceable. That is ignorant.
 
#98
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If it's true what Michigan is paying him then I don't blame him for jumping at the $$$. He's not NBA material and this money will help set him up for the rest of his life.
 
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