ESPN's 14 Most Important SEC Players-Tennessee = Dobbs

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I definitely don't want to lose him during that four game stretch. But I would hate to try it without Hurd also.
I think we would have a good shot in all other of the regular season games though.

Charger, I think you got this just about perfectly right.

Outside the 4-game gauntlet, I think you could replace any element of our team, whether Dobbs or Hurd or Kamara or Barnett or JRM or Sutton, and us still be favored.

That 4-game stretch is the key. And during it, I think there are at least six, and probably closer to a dozen, key players who we absolutely need healthy. Otherwise we give up precious percentages in our chance of winning. FL - UGa - A&M - Bama, take away any of our key players in that stretch and our chances of winning take a big hit.
 
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Charger, I think you got this just about perfectly right.

Outside the 4-game gauntlet, I think you could replace any element of our team, whether Dobbs or Hurd or Kamara or Barnett or JRM or Sutton, and us still be favored.

That 4-game stretch is the key. And during it, I think there are at least six, and probably closer to a dozen, key players who we absolutely need healthy. Otherwise we give up precious percentages in our chance of winning. FL - UGa - A&M - Bama.
Yeah for those 4, we need the best of the best at each position, if possible. Even just their rhythm of playing with one another is worth so much.
 
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I think this is right (Dobbs most important player on the team). But it's still so strongly a team sport that we're talking something like this:

Dobbs - 2%
Hurd - 1.5%
Kamara - 1%
Wolf - 1%
Richmond - 1%
Robertson - 1%
Thomas - 1%
Wiesman - 1%
Hall - 1%
Smith - 1%
Malone - 1%
Williams - 1%
Barnett - 1.8%
O'Brien - 1%
KMac - 1%
Vereen - 1%
etc.

It's not like saying "most important player" = he's 50% or even 20% of the team.

It's a team sport. First, foremost, and forever.

I see what your doing but it's just impossible to gauge the importance of any one player unless they are truly spectacular. I don't quite know at dobbs is at that level. Qd has looked amazing in limited action. It's very possible that he could be the better overall player. However what we need most is continuity.
I hope dobbs has an amazing year. If that happens...Tennessee will have an amazing year. We deserve it!
 
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I definitely don't want to lose him during that four game stretch. But I would hate to try it without Hurd also.
I think we would have a good shot in all other of the regular season games though.

I don't disagree with the d4h on the importance of Dobbs to the run game, but he needs to realize how much Hurd assists Dobbs also.
From blocking to being a threat they have to watch and can't focus solely on Dobbs. It works both ways.

I'm the guy who says Hurd is the best RB in college football. I know his importance and talent.

However QB is a lot more important than RB. Plus when you consider Dobbs impact running the ball, it's a no brainer.

We need both to be a championship team. Dobbs is however more important given the position he plays.
 
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I'm the guy who says Hurd is the best RB in college football. I know his importance and talent.

However QB is a lot more important than RB. Plus when you consider Dobbs impact running the ball, it's a no brainer.

We need both to be a championship team. Dobbs is however more important given the position he plays.

I can't really argue with that, it's true of most teams.
Excluding someone like LSU, who seems to replace 1 bad QB with another, then rely on the run.

My point was more that we have been thin and have fought hard to get the numbers we have.
Without any of the special players we do have, I don't believe any of the others put up the numbers that they have.
If that makes sense.
 
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I see what your doing but it's just impossible to gauge the importance of any one player unless they are truly spectacular. I don't quite know at dobbs is at that level. Qd has looked amazing in limited action. It's very possible that he could be the better overall player. However what we need most is continuity.
I hope dobbs has an amazing year. If that happens...Tennessee will have an amazing year. We deserve it!

There are actually formulae that try to do this. Billy Beane and his Harvard buddy, Paul DePodesta, famously brought such formulae to major league baseball (building on the genius of guys like sabermetrics creator Bill James). That's what the book and movie Moneyball were all about.

Do the football-specific formulae work? They don't seem to, at least not as well. And that's because football is such an extreme example of a team sport.

I mean, think about it: a baseball game could conceivably be won by a single player. The pitcher could conceivably throw a truly perfect game (27 strikes, no balls, no bat connecting with any ball), and that same pitcher could go to the plate and hit a game-winning 1-run homer. The other 8 players could all take the night off (well, minus the catcher having to be there just to receive the pitches).

Not only that, but every time the ball goes into play in baseball, every action on the field is a discrete act by a single player. Did the fielder catch the ball? How well did he throw it to base? Did the base player field the throw well? And so on. At any given time, generally only one player is handling the ball or even in the vicinity of it. Not much of a TEAM sport if one member of the team could single-handedly win (or lose) the whole match.

Contrast that with football. Five linemen act as a unit, sharing blocks and synchronizing movements. Defensive linemen are stunting off each other, as well. The center, QB, RB and/or receiver are all shifting the ball around, often two of them in contact with each other and the ball simultaneously. Defenders are making decisions not only based on what the other team does, but also on what they see of their own teammates' successes or failures.

HUGELY team-oriented sport. As far beyond baseball as baseball is beyond doubles tennis.

So I'm kind of with you: I don't think you can isolate percentages on individual players as I indicated. Not even if they ARE spectacular. It's far too much a team sport.

I never really meant to say that hard numbers could be assigned. I only meant to underscore that the difference between the most important and the least important player on the field is relatively small. It's about the team, not any one guy. Not even the QB.

That's all I meant to imply. I agree with your response. :hi:
 
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Interesting stat.........In 1998, and that was a good year, Martin completed 57.3% of his passes. In 15 Dobbs completed 59.6%. Kinda surprising.

To be fair, Martin - and don't get me wrong, I love what he did for the team - wasn't terribly accurate to begin with, though.

He did get hot in that one South Carolina game, but his 57.4% in 1998 was the best of his career (he dropped back down to 54% the following season...ending up averaging around 55% across his college career.
 
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I see what your doing but it's just impossible to gauge the importance of any one player unless they are truly spectacular. I don't quite know at dobbs is at that level. Qd has looked amazing in limited action. It's very possible that he could be the better overall player. However what we need most is continuity.
I hope dobbs has an amazing year. If that happens...Tennessee will have an amazing year. We deserve it!

It's absolutely impossible to say QD is better than Dobbs. If you wanna argue just passing then ok. But there's so much more to QB than throwing the ball.
 
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Martin was a very inaccurate passer. He had some atrocious games throwing the ball in 1998. However, he was clutch several times in key games to help lead the team to a win. Dobbs, IMHO, is actually a better passer and QB than Tee was. About the only thing he did better than Josh is throw a deep ball.

This all day long. In Dobbs defense, Tee did have much better players all around him though.
 
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It's absolutely impossible to say QD is better than Dobbs. If you wanna argue just passing then ok. But there's so much more to QB than throwing the ball.

You cannot really even argue just passing. Has QD faced the Alabama and UF defenses? No. He has basically been brought in for mop up duty. I like QD but saying he is bettr than Dobbs in ANY aspect of the quarterback position is just flat out wrong.
 
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Dormady is too slow to escape pressure in the SEC. It might have worked in high school but not on the college level. I do think Dormady is more of an accurate passer than Dobbs.

So you have deduced your first statement from what evidence? The O&W game? His very limited playing time? Practice notes? No offense but thats just silly. Is he as fast as Dobbs? Probably not. That doesnt mean QD is too slow to avoid pressure. Agoiding pressure has more to it then just speed.
 
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Dormady is too slow to escape pressure in the SEC. It might have worked in high school but not on the college level. I do think Dormady is more of an accurate passer than Dobbs.

Dormady is very serviceable as a runner. Where did you come up with that statement? And there is much more to it than running for your life. First of all, the line is going to be pretty solid this year, and second, Dormady is a head and shoulders better passing qb than Dobbs. Dobbs is challenged and doesnt know how to check down and make reads and get rid of the ball. Dormady is a true passer and would never have to run like Dobbs to begin with because he will get the ball out of his hands much quicker.
 
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Dormady is very serviceable as a runner. Where did you come up with that statement? And there is much more to it than running for your life. First of all, the line is going to be pretty solid this year, and second, Dormady is a head and shoulders better passing qb than Dobbs. Dobbs is challenged and doesnt know how to check down and make reads and get rid of the ball. Dormady is a true passer and would never have to run like Dobbs to begin with because he will get the ball out of his hands much quicker.

Doesn't know how to check down? LOL
 
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Dormady is very serviceable as a runner. Where did you come up with that statement? And there is much more to it than running for your life. First of all, the line is going to be pretty solid this year, and second, Dormady is a head and shoulders better passing qb than Dobbs. Dobbs is challenged and doesnt know how to check down and make reads and get rid of the ball. Dormady is a true passer and would never have to run like Dobbs to begin with because he will get the ball out of his hands much quicker.

Dormady couldn't do what you are saying against the scrubs he faced. He looked super average and was less accurate versus worse competition than Dobbs. He had a very average spring. When did he show all of this superior passing ability? It surely hasn't been in gametime or practice.
 
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The o line has to pass protect more consistently for progress to be made in the air. If they don't do that it wouldn't matter who was the Qb.
 
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Dormady is very serviceable as a runner. Where did you come up with that statement? And there is much more to it than running for your life. First of all, the line is going to be pretty solid this year, and second, Dormady is a head and shoulders better passing qb than Dobbs. Dobbs is challenged and doesnt know how to check down and make reads and get rid of the ball. Dormady is a true passer and would never have to run like Dobbs to begin with because he will get the ball out of his hands much quicker.

And you know this how?

The guy hasn't taken a competitive snap yet. He was less highly regarded during recruiting as well.

If anything, the odds are high Dormady never starts a game at Tennessee considering the guy behind him is the highest rated QB we've gotten in the last 5-6 years.
 
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My response to this article is... DUH
Few teams most important player is someone other than the QB in all reality. The QB is the only skill position player to touch the ball on every down and is tasked to make multiple decisions.

....and this my friends is why Peyton should have won the Heisman Trophy over a CB/PR/KR.

...now back to your regularly scheduled off-season conversations.
 
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Tee had some terrible games. Google his stats versus Syracuse.

Add Florida and Arky as well. Twas no Bueno. Yet, despite having horrendous stats in those 3 games, he found ways to make big, key plays help his team win vs Syracuse and Florida....he just pretty much got out of the way vs Arky on the last drive.
 
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Dormady is very serviceable as a runner. Where did you come up with that statement? And there is much more to it than running for your life. First of all, the line is going to be pretty solid this year, and second, Dormady is a head and shoulders better passing qb than Dobbs. Dobbs is challenged and doesnt know how to check down and make reads and get rid of the ball. Dormady is a true passer and would never have to run like Dobbs to begin with because he will get the ball out of his hands much quicker.

Where does this evaluation come from?
 
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