ESPN Playoff simulation.
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Exactly!!! Basketball has them, baseball has them, every other division of football has them, and along with every other college sport. WHY CANNOT DIV 1-A HAVE A PLAYOFF SYSTEM? Fans travel to the basketball tourneys. As far as where would they be played, let the team with the higher seed have homefield advantage like any other play off system. :banghead2:
Look at all the one loss teams now. No one can convince me that any one of those teams couldn't beat the other on any given day. The BCS is a flawed system. Teams get left out and get shafted every year. I know all of the Utahs, Boises, Ball States, ect. normaly cant compete with the big boys, but at least they have their shot. They probably get creamed but they can't complain about the fact of being left out if they lose.
I agree with Carter, its all about the money.
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The so called National Champion hasn't won a national championship, they were elected as a popular thought to be champion! It was a vote....they are elected not won! To not have a playoff is so stupid, I can't believe so many people are against having one. If it's such a great thing to elect champions, then why don't we change all other sports to elected maybe champions? Let's spread the great debate over all of sports, we can have 10 more ESPN channels just to cover all the interest of hearing talking heads tell us who the winner is or was or should be.
Hell.....let's not even play the games, let's vote on it. After we see who everybody recruits we can have the AP, USA TODAY, U, and ME vote on all the games next year.
What we haven't got to see......
I) Great games that mean something after the conference battles and titles. (Why does the Big #$ always come down to 1 game, with the same teams every year??? etc.)
II) Mixture of different conferences and styles making a run through several games instead of one night stands.
III) Underdog stories of teams and players that never got that chance.
A Few Examples:
1) 2008 NY Giants - Underdogs in every playoff game last year.
Against all odds to get to the Superbowl, but then beat an undefeated Patriot team thought to be the greatest team of all time until NY beat them!
2) 1980 Team USA Hockey - Absolutely no way in God's green earth do they win against Russia, but they do! Then they go on to take the gold.
3) 1984 Villanova - They shot 90% in the second half to pull off one of the biggest upsets ever.
4) And all of the rest; NY Jets and Namath, Miracle Mets, and all the other great so called upsets! Maybe even a Rocky story of a great underdog almost winning the belt would be better than 100 less first place votes.
What memories has the BCS give us, something like it sure was close how Oklahoma got elected to play in the BS championship over a team that beat them on a neutral field....come on, maybe OU is better now....maybe not, but Texas got screwed and has no way to take that frustration out on opponents toward a possible NC of their own.
Last but not least, all this horse crap about the bowls is exactly that....dung.
Use the bowls to have the playoffs and more people will go and watch!
Hell.....let's not even play the games, let's vote on it. After we see who everybody recruits we can have the AP, USA TODAY, U, and ME vote on all the games next year.
What we haven't got to see......
I) Great games that mean something after the conference battles and titles. (Why does the Big #$ always come down to 1 game, with the same teams every year??? etc.)
II) Mixture of different conferences and styles making a run through several games instead of one night stands.
III) Underdog stories of teams and players that never got that chance.
A Few Examples:
1) 2008 NY Giants - Underdogs in every playoff game last year.
Against all odds to get to the Superbowl, but then beat an undefeated Patriot team thought to be the greatest team of all time until NY beat them!
2) 1980 Team USA Hockey - Absolutely no way in God's green earth do they win against Russia, but they do! Then they go on to take the gold.
3) 1984 Villanova - They shot 90% in the second half to pull off one of the biggest upsets ever.
4) And all of the rest; NY Jets and Namath, Miracle Mets, and all the other great so called upsets! Maybe even a Rocky story of a great underdog almost winning the belt would be better than 100 less first place votes.
What memories has the BCS give us, something like it sure was close how Oklahoma got elected to play in the BS championship over a team that beat them on a neutral field....come on, maybe OU is better now....maybe not, but Texas got screwed and has no way to take that frustration out on opponents toward a possible NC of their own.
Last but not least, all this horse crap about the bowls is exactly that....dung.
Use the bowls to have the playoffs and more people will go and watch!
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Let's go over the bowl proponent's objections:
1.) It makes the regular season meaningless.
Rebuttal: It most certainly does not. An 8 team playoff would get the best teams in. These would be the teams that WIN IN THE REGULAR SEASON. If you lose one game? You'd have a good chance at making it. 2 losses? Probably not. How many losses do the national title contenders this year have? 1! So a playoff wouldn't change that in the slightest.
2.) It adds more games.
Rebuttal: There are 12 games in the regular season now. Remember when there were only 11? That was only a few years ago. Take away one game, take away the bowl game and if your team makes it to the finals then they have played 14 games. How many games will Florida and Oklahoma play this year? 14!
3.) It takes away study time for the student athletes.
Rebut: Take away the one regular season game, keep the same number of bye weeks, and move the conference championship games back one week. Play the two weeks of playoffs in early January (like the bowls are now) and the students have one more week to focus more on classes rather than Alabama or Florida.
4.) Yeah, but if you take away one regular season game, rivalries will be hurt.
Rebut: Don't take away a rivalry game. Take the Citadel off your schedule. If you want to make all of the games mean something, then don't schedule Central Kentucky State Junior College as your first game. Schedule, at the least, a MAC team. Or a WAC team. Penalize a team for scheduling too many patsies. Use the BCS formula to determine who gets in the playoff, and subtract half a point for every non D-1A team you play.
5.) There are arguments over who gets in now, and there still would be with a playoff.
Rebut: True. BUT, It's a bigger deal that Texas doesn't get in this year than it would be if, say, Ohio State was shafted. It was a bigger deal when an undefeated Auburn team was shafted than it would have been if, say, Michigan that year was screwed out of 8th place. The point is that all of the teams that definitely deserve a chance to win the national championship would have a shot. And if you have to include 2 or 3 extra teams, then so be it.
So you see? There really is no valid reason NOT to have a playoff other than "That's the way it's always been done". Honestly, we'll probably have to wait for the current generation of university presidents to die before anything happens. They're afraid of a playoff system for the same reason that my dad is afraid of the computer: It's new and scary, and they didn't need computers (or playoffs) in the good ol days, so there's no reason to need them now.
1.) It makes the regular season meaningless.
Rebuttal: It most certainly does not. An 8 team playoff would get the best teams in. These would be the teams that WIN IN THE REGULAR SEASON. If you lose one game? You'd have a good chance at making it. 2 losses? Probably not. How many losses do the national title contenders this year have? 1! So a playoff wouldn't change that in the slightest.
2.) It adds more games.
Rebuttal: There are 12 games in the regular season now. Remember when there were only 11? That was only a few years ago. Take away one game, take away the bowl game and if your team makes it to the finals then they have played 14 games. How many games will Florida and Oklahoma play this year? 14!
3.) It takes away study time for the student athletes.
Rebut: Take away the one regular season game, keep the same number of bye weeks, and move the conference championship games back one week. Play the two weeks of playoffs in early January (like the bowls are now) and the students have one more week to focus more on classes rather than Alabama or Florida.
4.) Yeah, but if you take away one regular season game, rivalries will be hurt.
Rebut: Don't take away a rivalry game. Take the Citadel off your schedule. If you want to make all of the games mean something, then don't schedule Central Kentucky State Junior College as your first game. Schedule, at the least, a MAC team. Or a WAC team. Penalize a team for scheduling too many patsies. Use the BCS formula to determine who gets in the playoff, and subtract half a point for every non D-1A team you play.
5.) There are arguments over who gets in now, and there still would be with a playoff.
Rebut: True. BUT, It's a bigger deal that Texas doesn't get in this year than it would be if, say, Ohio State was shafted. It was a bigger deal when an undefeated Auburn team was shafted than it would have been if, say, Michigan that year was screwed out of 8th place. The point is that all of the teams that definitely deserve a chance to win the national championship would have a shot. And if you have to include 2 or 3 extra teams, then so be it.
So you see? There really is no valid reason NOT to have a playoff other than "That's the way it's always been done". Honestly, we'll probably have to wait for the current generation of university presidents to die before anything happens. They're afraid of a playoff system for the same reason that my dad is afraid of the computer: It's new and scary, and they didn't need computers (or playoffs) in the good ol days, so there's no reason to need them now.
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