ESPN article on UT recruits

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Not sure if it's been posted, but I thought it was interesting...especially the part about Stan Drayton and Latrell Scott. Hope it's true. Sounds like Giles might be holding on too.
Here's an part of it:

Tennessee Commits Holding Tight

By Billy Tucker
Entering Week 11 of this college football season, we have already seen a handful of coaches either resign or get dismissed. This week, the dark cloud reared its ugly head over Knoxville: Phillip Fulmer, who won a national championship in 1998, was the latest big name set to be let go (effective at the end of the season).

We acknowledge that the Vols are enduring a disappointing year between the white lines (1-5 in SEC play), but does athletic director Mike Hamilton have a game plan on how to keep their potential top-10 recruiting class from imploding off the field? For Volunteer fans, hopefully it's better thought out than the contract extension he recently signed with Fulmer.

For now, there could be reason for optimism on the recruiting front: It appears that the tumultuous week at Tennessee has not led many commits to jump ship (not yet, at least). Actually, just one prospect, No. 26-rated offensive tackle Antonio Foster (Valdosta, Ga.), has decommitted, and most of the recruits we spoke with appear to be in a wait-and-see mode, saying they are content with keeping their options open.

In our opinion, Hamilton has a significant influence on this current No. 13-rated class; its stability could depend on whom he hires to succeed Fulmer and whom he retains from the current staff. In fact, Tennessee may even continue to add to its impressive group of pledges with the right decision. One of the top uncommitted prospects in the country, receiver Marlon Brown (Memphis, Tenn./Harding), told us this week that in-state Tennessee is still in the mix, and he plans on visiting at the end of January.

"I have to see who the coach is. But I'm still going to take my visit there." Brown told ESPN.com's Midwest recruiting blogger, Bill Kurelic.

This Tennessee class, and today's prospects in general, seems savvy when it comes to avoiding rash decisions as they weigh their recruiting options. For integral Vol commits like ESPN's No. 5 running back Jarvis Giles (Tampa, Fla./Gaither), top-10 receiver Je'Ron Stokes (Philadelphia, Pa./Northeast) and recently committed No. 8 quarterback Tajh Boyd (Hampton, Va./Phoebus), countless programs across the country would welcome their talents until signing day, so waiting for some definitive answers on the future of Tennessee's program is rational at this time.

The longer the process plays out, though, the more time prospects have to look elsewhere and become influenced by other programs. So how can Hamilton relieve some of that uncertainty and create an unwavering atmosphere among Tennessee's 19 remaining commitments while he looks for his next head coach? By following in UCLA's footsteps last year -- it kept top recruiter DeWayne Walker on board after firing head coach Karl Dorrell.

Rick Neuheisel basically inherited and subsequently signed the No. 14 class in the country last year because recruits felt a strong connection with the retained Walker. A similar situation to the one that occurred in Westwood is evolving down in Knoxville. First-year running backs coach Stan Drayton came to Tennessee with a national reputation as a great recruiter, and it didn't take him long to influence some this class's best to become future Vols.

Under Armour All-American Giles told us he was disappointed that Fulmer was let go and will have to start thinking about other schools. That said, later in the week, he sounded more optimistic about sticking with the Vols, telling Southeast recruiting blogger JC Shurburtt that Drayton thinks he will remain on board.

"[Drayton] told me just to call him and he would keep me updated. He thinks that whoever the new coach is, he will keep him and coach [Latrell Scott] because they are recruiters and all that," Giles said.

Scott had a big hand in landing ESPNU 150 prospects Boyd and outside linebacker Jerod Askew (Chesapeake, Va./Oscar Frommel Smith). But there is no guarantee he or Drayton will be retained.

Depending on how Hamilton structures his contract, the newly hired coach may have total influence on his future staff and ultimately whom he signs in his first recruiting class come February. Stokes, ESPN's No. 8-rated receiver, displaying a sentiment seemingly shared by a lot of Tennessee commits, tells us he has to "have a plan B" now but wants to see whom they bring in and avoid making a "hasty decision." Despite the pressure to win, Tennessee has a lot to offer, and Hamilton should have some impressive résumés on his desk in the near future. We trust Tennessee's current commits will be keeping close tabs on those developments in Knoxville.

The link is ESPN - Pep Rally: Fulmer's dismissal leaves UT scrambling to keep recruits - Insider
 
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Well the word is that he went to South Carolina and actually had a great trip and has changed his mind!
 
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Under Armour All-American Giles told us he was disappointed that Fulmer was let go and will have to start thinking about other schools. That said, later in the week, he sounded more optimistic about sticking with the Vols, telling Southeast recruiting blogger JC Shurburtt that Drayton thinks he will remain on board.

"[Drayton] told me just to call him and he would keep me updated. He thinks that whoever the new coach is, he will keep him and coach [Latrell Scott] because they are recruiters and all that," Giles said.
If Drayton is playing a "if I go, you go with me" game with UT recruits. Hamilton needs to put his ass out the door TODAY!

They were discussing such actions today on Sports Animal. I believe the comment was , "the coaches are still cashing checks with a big T on them."
 
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Interesting. Hopefully, they are just trying to keep the recruits on board with UT and not on board with them as a coach.
 
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Interesting. Hopefully, they are just trying to keep the recruits on board with UT and not on board with them as a coach.

According to govolsxtra Giles has opened up his recruitment. It does sound like he'll stay if SD stays.
 
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If Drayton is playing a "if I go, you go with me" game with UT recruits. Hamilton needs to put his ass out the door TODAY!

They were discussing such actions today on Sports Animal. I believe the comment was , "the coaches are still cashing checks with a big T on them."

Well generally recruits commit to a staff as much if not more than the school. If the staff that recruited him is completely swept clean, why the hell would the recruit want to come here?

Now, if for some CRAZY REASON, UT decided to keep its best 2 recruiters, who have been pulling in all of these studs, these current Commits we have might decide to stay with us. I know, its just crazy that we would want to keep these good recruiters, not only to hold on to this class, but to help secure solid classes in the future. I know, I know, radical thought, but I see what Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban are doing, and I think to myself "you know, perhaps these stud recruits might actually help your program."
 
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Well generally recruits commit to a staff as much if not more than the school. If the staff that recruited him is completely swept clean, why the hell would the recruit want to come here?

Now, if for some CRAZY REASON, UT decided to keep its best 2 recruiters, who have been pulling in all of these studs, these current Commits we have might decide to stay with us. I know, its just crazy that we would want to keep these good recruiters, not only to hold on to this class, but to help secure solid classes in the future. I know, I know, radical thought, but I see what Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban are doing, and I think to myself "you know, perhaps these stud recruits might actually help your program."
You completely missed the point.
 
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Giles was looking to enroll in the spring somewhere, in which case, the length of the coaching search may make him choose elsewhere
 
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You completely missed the point.

No, I understood your point. You felt that he was putting himself above the program, which immediately made you bust out the torches and pitchforks, screaming "HERETIC, BURN HIM AT THE STAKE."

I think YOU missed the point of what Drayton was saying. Generally coaches/staffs sell themselves to the recruit first and foremost, and the university second. Why would the recruit continue to come here with a completely new staff that has not talked to him or promised him anything (such as playing time, or leaving him at his desired position, or utilizing him in an offense that will prepare him for the NFL)? If we completely clean house, then we are also completely wiping the slate clean on the recruits from the previous regime. The only way to keep those recruits is to keep some of the people who recruited them. Those recruiters have ties to these young men. They have the personal bonds of friendship/mentors that they made during recruiting, they have the promises they made to them, and they have the time invested.

A new staff that hasn't talked to these kids at all does not have that. Unless the kid was just dreaming of playing at UT since he was a child, the chances of them coming are small. And lets face it, unless they are an in state recruit (which, there are not too many of, and most come from middle/west Tennessee and don't have such strong Knoxville/UT ties), they probably did not grow up dreaming about playing for UT.

These recruits committed to UT based on what our staff sold them/promised them/said to them whatever. If they are not here, then we have nothing to keep them here.
 
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No, I understood your point. You felt that he was putting himself above the program, which immediately made you bust out the torches and pitchforks, screaming "HERETIC, BURN HIM AT THE STAKE."

I think YOU missed the point of what Drayton was saying. Generally coaches/staffs sell themselves to the recruit first and foremost, and the university second. Why would the recruit continue to come here with a completely new staff that has not talked to him or promised him anything (such as playing time, or leaving him at his desired position, or utilizing him in an offense that will prepare him for the NFL)? If we completely clean house, then we are also completely wiping the slate clean on the recruits from the previous regime. The only way to keep those recruits is to keep some of the people who recruited them. Those recruiters have ties to these young men. They have the personal bonds of friendship/mentors that they made during recruiting, they have the promises they made to them, and they have the time invested.

A new staff that hasn't talked to these kids at all does not have that. Unless the kid was just dreaming of playing at UT since he was a child, the chances of them coming are small. And lets face it, unless they are an in state recruit (which, there are not too many of, and most come from middle/west Tennessee and don't have such strong Knoxville/UT ties), they probably did not grow up dreaming about playing for UT.

These recruits committed to UT based on what our staff sold them/promised them/said to them whatever. If they are not here, then we have nothing to keep them here.
No, I merely pointed out that UT is still paying his salary. Should he be doing anything detrimental to the program. He should be terminated immediately.

He's still going to collect his salary. That's bound by contract.
 
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No, I merely pointed out that UT is still paying his salary. Should he be doing anything detrimental to the program. He should be terminated immediately.

He's still going to collect his salary. That's bound by contract.

If we terminate him, we lose the recruit.

If we keep him, we keep the recruit + we keep an excellent recruiter for the future.

You are right, terminating him is clearly the correct option.

I understand your argument of he is "hurting the program," so I am not missing your point. I just think your point is wildly incorrect, as it seems you do not understand the recruiting process.
 
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If we terminate him, we lose the recruit.

If we keep him, we keep the recruit + we keep an excellent recruiter for the future.

You are right, terminating him is clearly the correct option.

I understand your argument of he is "hurting the program," so I am not missing your point. I just think your point is wildly incorrect, as it seems you do not understand the recruiting process.
I clearly understand the recruit process. I understood it before you were born.
 
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