Enough FULMER!! no more suspensions

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#105
memvol said:
No. That is not what I said at all. Meyer knew about the failed drug test before any games were played and chose to do nothing about it initially. When he did take action it seemed awfully convenient that he was selective in his punishment, even in the face of a second failed test within a few weeks of the first. Surely he knew about the failed drug tests before we did?
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See, now you have proven my point, which is that you are criticizing without knowing the facts. As is the case with Coker, a violation of the substance abuse policy is in the school's purview first and foremost. This is so because the school has a policy on it.

In the case of UF's Thomas, there was a suspension but then a second failed drug test. That would have resulted in him being kicked off the team, but Thomas appealed to the university, which had to concede that it could not prove the second test failure was not the result of the same usage. Ergo the suspension followed by him being let back on the team. The problem was that he then violated the probation and was then immediately kicked off the team.

From what I read, Coker is subject to a university policy requiring him to complete an outpatient program of some sort. That is what Fulmer is referring to when he says he is going to wait to see if he complies before he can lift the suspension.

When you compare the two policies, at least as they have been reported, they are quite similar. Thomas failed to follow through at some point and was gone. The bottom line is that the coaches have surrendered some control on this issue, which does not surprise me given the nature of the issue, and there is no evidence, repeat NONE, that Meyer in any way manipulated the situation just for competitive advantage.
 
#107
#107
Urban knows how to deal with them......yet let the same dope smokers anonymous group play week in and week out while suspending them for a half or for the University of the Blind game.


You're right, maybe Fulmer isn't doing a good enough job....maybe he should just CUT Lamarcus Coker since he's already had a few chances.
 
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Glass Houses...... Remember this?, "After reviewing a sideline-clearing brawl between players from Miami and Florida International, officials from both schools and their conferences on Sunday announced the suspension of 31 players -- 13 from the Hurricanes, and 18 from FIU."
 
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allvol said:
Glass Houses...... Remember this?, "After reviewing a sideline-clearing brawl between players from Miami and Florida International, officials from both schools and their conferences on Sunday announced the suspension of 31 players -- 13 from the Hurricanes, and 18 from FIU."
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Remind me again how many people were arrested. Also, I think it's preferable to fight back when provoked, as opposed to letting a Clemson player slap you in the face before a bowl game and slinking away like cowards and getting soundly beaten.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Remind me again how many people were arrested. Also, I think it's preferable to fight back when provoked, as opposed to letting a Clemson player slap you in the face before a bowl game and slinking away like cowards and getting soundly beaten.
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That which seperates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools..........Thucydides
 
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crimedawg12 said:
That which seperates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools..........Thucydides
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Miami graduates its players at a higher rate than we do, at a school with better academic standards. It appears they are doing a good job of finding scholar/warriors.
 
#113
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hatvol96 said:
Miami graduates its players at a higher rate than we do, at a school with better academic standards. It appears they are doing a good job of finding scholar/warriors.
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......that wasn't directed towards the U......
 
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crimedawg12 said:
That which seperates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools..........Thucydides
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My favorite is "Kick his ass Sea Bass"...my woman doesn't like it when I walk away from a fight. Especially if it is her daddy or one of her brothers.
 
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#116
Lexvol said:
My favorite is "Kick his ass Sea Bass"...my woman doesn't like it when I walk away from a fight. Especially if it is her daddy or one of her brothers.
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Know I've heard it.....just can't remember where......
 
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#120
The best part is when they are in the van with one of the bad guys. Those are the funniest scenes in the movie.
 
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#123
lawgator1 said:
See, now you have proven my point, which is that you are criticizing without knowing the facts. As is the case with Coker, a violation of the substance abuse policy is in the school's purview first and foremost. This is so because the school has a policy on it.

In the case of UF's Thomas, there was a suspension but then a second failed drug test. That would have resulted in him being kicked off the team, but Thomas appealed to the university, which had to concede that it could not prove the second test failure was not the result of the same usage. Ergo the suspension followed by him being let back on the team. The problem was that he then violated the probation and was then immediately kicked off the team.

From what I read, Coker is subject to a university policy requiring him to complete an outpatient program of some sort. That is what Fulmer is referring to when he says he is going to wait to see if he complies before he can lift the suspension.

When you compare the two policies, at least as they have been reported, they are quite similar. Thomas failed to follow through at some point and was gone. The bottom line is that the coaches have surrendered some control on this issue, which does not surprise me given the nature of the issue, and there is no evidence, repeat NONE, that Meyer in any way manipulated the situation just for competitive advantage.
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LG we are much closer to agreeing than I first thought. I am fully aware of institutional policies and procedures regarding positive drug tests. (The policies really haven't changed that much since I was a D1 athlete. Individual cases get more media coverage now than in the past). In most cases this sort of offence is first governed by the schools administration and or the athletic department. Yes the coaches have to yield to the schools administration first in matters of this nature. The health of the student athlete should come first these situations.

It seems as though Coker has not completed a portion of a treatment program. I'm pretty sure I have the facts from the Thomas issue straight. What I'm trying to figure out is why a university or head coach allows a student athlete to compete after a second failed test appeal or no appeal. Shouldn't that athlete be suspended indefinitely, to benefit their own health, until the appeal process has run its course or they can take a clean test? I'm sure that Meyer followed the guidelines provided by the university. The timing seems fishy from afar and according to the timeline the drug had plenty of time to leave his system if he would have stopped. :horse:
 
#124
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CaptainOrange said:
Enough with the suspensions Coach!

We get the point. Or do we? This guy is just trying to avoid actually doing a responsibility that is due as a coach and especially a football coach, and it's much more important because it's at Tennessee.

Or should I say harder!

Just because a player screws up, throws chairs, smoke marijuana, punches a person in the face, or tells somebody to shut up. You just can't suspend him.

I understood why coach Fulmer did this a few years ago, because he had preasure from people aside him.

That was when his job was in question, and a big 'hit' was simply clean up the act of the others. So he basically avoided it, and just removed anyone that did any kind of trouble.

And that's not right!

Were talking about humans, not dogs who you can drown after a loss. This is embarrasing to not us people of Tennessee, but you coach, and the acts are showing what direction we are working at.

Stop making exuses, and do some coaching. It takes more than just barking out, and calling plays, and recruiting.

Once you recruit them, the work hasn't even started.

Isn't that what the pride is about?
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Probably the stupidist post I have ever seen on this board!:no:
 
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