Elon's america party

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#176
volfanhill said:
I don't understand the complaint. You can be a free speech absolutionist and be ok with private companies regulating how their platform is used
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free speech as an ideal goes far beyond government control. even though its not government required most consider the PC/Cancel culture a restriction on free speech.

limiting "absolutism" about something to the extent of government control makes no sense to me.

he didn't say he was a 1A absolutist, or even frame his claim within the bounds of the constitution.
 
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#177
n_huffhines said:
I don't even know what you're talking about, LOL. He can definitely do whatever he wants with his business. This thread is about his politics and my point is that he is a hypocrite and totally clueless about basic civics which seems pretty pertinent to the subject of his political party.
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Most Americans are clueless about basic civics so Musk is an ideal political animal. He is a man of the people when it comes to civics.

If you can point to a national level politician who isn't a hypocrite, I'll listen. They change, they flip flop, they weasel..... again like many Americans politically.

The standard is: we'd like someone more like us and less like them in any leadership position.

Musk is, other than the rich man's vices of an apparent lean toward polygamy and drugs, pretty normal.
 
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#178
LouderVol said:
I still believe he is a Bond villain. so I have been 100% on the ulterior motives this whole time.

like with a lot of Bond villains I could see some goals being for the good, but far outweighed by the bad.
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What do imagine his top henchmen to be?
Goldfinger's Odd Job? Jaws? Something else?
 
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#180
LouderVol said:
I still believe he is a Bond villain. so I have been 100% on the ulterior motives this whole time.

like with a lot of Bond villains I could see some goals being for the good, but far outweighed by the bad.
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I'm only a passing Bond fan but the guy who worked with Bond/MI6 then turned out to be a traitor comes to mind if you look at it from Trump's viewpoint.

Janus? or whatever it was he was called which being 2 faced is a good analogy.
 
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#184
jvol1 said:
It's a term from Heinleins "stranger in a strange land" and entailed eating the dead, aka cannibalism. Trying to put a nice face on it wont change the truth.
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"'Grok' means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the process being observed--to merge, to blend, to intermarry, to lose personal identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science--and it means as little to us as color means to a blind man...if I chopped you up and made a stew of you, you and the stew, whatever else was in it, would grok--and when I ate you, we would grok together and nothing would be lost and it would not matter which one of us did the chopping up and eating."

A direct quote from the book tells me you don't grok what an analogy is.
 
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#187
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
"'Grok' means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the process being observed--to merge, to blend, to intermarry, to lose personal identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science--and it means as little to us as color means to a blind man...if I chopped you up and made a stew of you, you and the stew, whatever else was in it, would grok--and when I ate you, we would grok together and nothing would be lost and it would not matter which one of us did the chopping up and eating."

A direct quote from the book tells me you don't grok what an analogy is.
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I've actually heard it in "hippie speak" as somewhat analogous to "you feel me?" or "you dig?". There was a trippy as hell book I read years ago called The Illuminatus Trilogy. Complete mind hump of a book but "grok" was used several times in the context used above.
 
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hndog609 said:
I've actually heard it in "hippie speak" as somewhat analogous to "you feel me?" or "you dig?". There was a trippy as hell book I read years ago called The Illuminatus Trilogy. Complete mind hump of a book but "grok" was used several times in the context used above.
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I've seen it from programmers and systems people who have "become one" with a system or programming language. Nerds.
 
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#189
looks like Musk's popularity was based on his association with Trump, by himself most do not like him...

 
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