Early signs of progress in Baghdad crackdown

[OrangeEmpire]

Early progress in Baghdad crackdown - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

BAGHDAD - Bomb deaths have gone down 30 percent in Baghdad since the U.S.-led security crackdown began a month ago. Execution-style slayings are down by nearly half.

The once frequent sound of weapons has been reduced to episodic, and downtown shoppers have returned to outdoor markets — favored targets of car bombers.
There are signs of progress in the campaign to restore order in Iraq, starting with its capital city.

Thoughts?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Given the source, must really be like an average American city today.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I am quite sure the story has Olbermann and Matthew's stamp of approval.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Wasn't Fallujah calm after our efforts there? Didn't it blow up shortly after?

 

[Fine Vol]

As long as Americans continue to die there there is no progress

 

[therealUT]

As long as Americans continue to die there there is no progress

I guess that means there was no progress made through the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, the Great War, World War II, and the Korean War.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Korean War is a bad example......it's still going on. Over 50 years later and we let them go nuclear. Has there been any progress there?

 

[therealUT]

Considering the 8th Army didn't get involved into half of ROK belonged the NKPA and we reestablished the DMZ at the 38th Parallel...I would say progress was made. I would not call it significant, although the opportunity was there, had Truman let MacArthur exploit it.

 

[Fine Vol]

I guess that means there was no progress made through the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, the Great War, World War II, and the Korean War.

Sure there was I just dont see it as a succsess till the men and women are back home

 

[therealUT]

As long as Americans continue to die there there is no progress

Sure there was I just dont see it as a succsess till the men and women are back home

So, you never see progress then? It always goes from nothing to success, in a moment, in your eyes?

 

[Fine Vol]

So, you never see progress then? It always goes from nothing to success, in a moment, in your eyes?

I dont call being ramdomly blown apart by the enemys as being success.

 

[therealUT]

I dont call being ramdomly blown apart by the enemys as being success.

We are not talking about success right now, we are talking about progress.

 

[Fine Vol]

We are not talking about success right now, we are talking about progress.

So do you feel progress while all this is goin on?

 

[therealUT]

Yes.

 

[Fine Vol]

Yes.

There towns are doing better and we are dying, is progress?

 

[therealUT]

Please rephrase and clarify.

 

[Fine Vol]

Who is progressing?

 

[Fine Vol]

Not us as long as we needlessly die

 

[volinbham]

Not us as long as we needlessly die

Needlessly is a very strong word in this context - I wouldn't characterize the deaths as needless.

 

[Fine Vol]

Needlessly is a very strong word in this context - I wouldn't characterize the deaths as needless.

I dont mean from a died for nothing standpoint, but from a badly run war standpoint, like turning our troops into police

 

[therealUT]

Who is progressing?

I would say that life for the Iraqi's is progressing.

Iraqis: life is getting better-News-World-Iraq-TimesOnline

I understand that this is quite a small polling sample, and therefore the numbers could be skewed. However, it is tough to deny that progress is happening with this poll in mind.

 

[StunnA N' Orange]

Of course it would...No Saddam=more opportunites. But I wouldn't weigh my opinion to much on polls.. I bet I could display a couple of polls that suggest otherwise.

 

[therealUT]

Then display them.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Uh oh....another pathetic door-to-door poll. I wonder if it is as 'scientific' as the one from last year about the number of deaths.

 

[WA_Vol]

Given the source, must really be like an average American city today.

True.

We aren't spending billions every month to police U.S. cities though.

What I really want to see is a cost/benefit ratio of this war.

Bilions of dollars to create a nation that is destined to be the greatest ally the country of Iran will ever have.