Early playing time by depth chart

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This would be a great thread for guys like Mos Def and Tidewarrior and maybe a USC fan if one is out there to chime in with info about their depth charts and what they think is likely in terms of playing time possibilities.

Last year Lane Kiffin told guys that he was willing to play whoever was most talented and most likely to produce regardless of how long they had been in school. In the Western Kentucky game, 10 freshmen played. When Pete Carroll took over at USC and when Nick Saban took over at Alabama, they could offer early playing time because there was not a whole lot on the bench in front of them. While USC still has managed to stock 4 stars who sit on the bench for 2 years, most schools cannot do that and even Florida saw Jevon Snead transfer when he knew that Tebow was going to be the QB of the future.

Realistically TN can promise 1 RB that if they come in this class they can have some playing time. Whether it is Michael Dyer or Giovanni Bernard, someone out there can see that Montario Hardesty is leaving and they will get some carries on the team. They will not come in as a freshman and carry the ball 30 times a game at UT.

Where do you think the top teams can provide early PT?
TN is telling Luc he cannot get it at UF, even though they are losing some guys. I want examples of areas where you know your coaches can promise and deliver early PT.

At TN we have room for 1 impact RB to get PT,
1 QB (Bray) to play as a freshman
1 TE at least with Cottam graduating,
1 WR could see the field very early even with Teague, Warren and Richardson staying put

At LB Rico McCoy the most talented starting LBs graduates and we have no depth to speak of behind him in terms of 4 stars just waiting for their chance. No one is going to be scared of Reveiz. For that matter no Luc level guy or even 4 star LB will be scared of competing for PT with Lathers or King.

On the OL we will literally have our entire starting OL graduating. No one in the country can offer more immediate PT at OL than our school. That is why I think we have a real shot at Stone, and Leifheit and D Robinson or Arie Kouandjio or JaWuan changing his mind and I would not mind seeing us get after Morgan Moses.

DE one opening slot thanks to the draft probably. With J Smith coming in we have a decent class in the making but R Powell should feel he could take snaps away from
Rae Sykes etc. Quarles, Ego I think we get enough at this slot.

DT we lose Brown and Williams plus we are already giving snaps to a freshman this year so we are not deep there at all.

CB we will return starters Evans and Anderson but I do not think they or the backups behind them will scare any of the guys on our board.

Safety, Eric Berry is leaving after this year. Myles and J Jackson are outstanding talents, but I still think we can provide PT to outstanding talent.

There you have it and I would love to see the same from other schools we are competing against for recruits. Honest assessments of whether or not 4 star guys you are recruiting can get on the field at your school next year.

We have more openings for PT on OL and DL and LB than almost any team I can think of and the numbers will bear that out.
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Snead transfered from Texas not Florida. The biggest spots for early playing time are OL, DL, LB, WR, and TE. DB, RB are pretty stacked but CLK has shown, if the player gives us a chance to win he will play.
 
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Snead went to Texas after being committed to Florida because of Tim Tebow. The staff tried to tell him that Tebow was being recruited to play LB.
 
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QB is obvious

RB we can offer a tiny bit, but not much. Bryce and Oku will be a year older, Poole will be a senior, and Williams is coming back.

FB is pretty much locked down.

WR should get a little but not a ton. Nuke, Teague, and Rogers will be a year older with Warren and Jones returning. Plus big Rogers may get a 6th year.

TE should get a lot. We'll only have Stocker and Bartholomew, and honestly I don't think Ben is going to scare anyone off.

OL is obvious.

DL probably won't get a whole lot unless Walker has a good enough year to go pro, and then we could probably sell a DE on early PT. Otherwise, it's pretty much locked up and loaded with young talent.

LB looks open, but at this point its actually pretty much set as well. Frazier on the outside, Lathers in the middle, and King on the other side with some other young talent like Askew, Nelson, and NMT.

DB is pretty much stacked and likely won't have much early PT.
 
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I'm on my mobile right now and I'll post more when I get home, but here's some quick thoughts.

We have a spot open at LB, WR, and DE. That's where players can come in and play right away if they're good enough.

We'll also have a spot at QB open after Brantley leaves. Possibly CB if Haden leaves after the season for the NFL.
 
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DL Kelcy Quarles (6-5 275)
rooming with DE Brandon Willis 6'4 250 also from SC.
Brandon Willis - Yahoo! Sports

6'3 272, J.R. Ferguson comes down from Hargrave and learns how to play DT and DE.
J.R. Ferguson - Yahoo! Sports
His top 5 on Rivals is Nc State (awful against Spurrier), Miami which got a big win but has losses coming up even though I love their skinny QB Jacory, GA who looks in for a crap year and UCLA who we are about to POUND. He is also opposite side of J Smith.

Todd Chandler 6'1 290 comes up from Miami to us. This saves me some of the sting of losing my man George Uko who I really thought we would get but who it sounds like just cancelled his visit to us. Garrison Smith is still a guy who I think Lance Thompson will be hard after until the papers are signed.

And until he signs his papers I will still hold hope that R Powell is a shock surprise to us.
 
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Is this accurate for UT for 2010?

Center is Kevin Revis
Dallas Thomas LT maybe JerQuari Schofield backup?
Cody Pope LG
Aaron Douglas RT backup Shaw
William Brimfield (converted DL) RG

Depth is Carson Anderson and Dallas Thomas? Am I missing a reason to think that 4 star OL talent will not be able to get in as backups real early on especially if some of them are December enrollees?

Also can anyone help a brother out with Morgan Moses info?
 
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McNeil may be back as well.
Shaw graduates IIRC
I expect Douglas to move to LT honestly.
You're missing Daniel Hood as well.

Either way though, OL is just a position where early playing time isn't good no matter what unless its a complete animal like Seantrel Henderson, ..etc
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
DL Kelcy Quarles (6-5 275)
rooming with DE Brandon Willis 6'4 250 also from SC.
Brandon Willis - Yahoo! Sports

6'3 272, J.R. Ferguson comes down from Hargrave and learns how to play DT and DE.
J.R. Ferguson - Yahoo! Sports
His top 5 on Rivals is Nc State (awful against Spurrier), Miami which got a big win but has losses coming up even though I love their skinny QB Jacory, GA who looks in for a crap year and UCLA who we are about to POUND. He is also opposite side of J Smith.

Todd Chandler 6'1 290 comes up from Miami to us. This saves me some of the sting of losing my man George Uko who I really thought we would get but who it sounds like just cancelled his visit to us. Garrison Smith is still a guy who I think Lance Thompson will be hard after until the papers are signed.

And until he signs his papers I will still hold hope that R Powell is a shock surprise to us.
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I love you posting in the recruiting forum and all, and can even deal with your very lengthy threads, but you have to be realistic with recruiting. You seem to be the least realistic person on here when it comes to prospects. You pretty much think everybody in the world that has a UT offer will sign with UT (That's a hyperbole I know, but you get the point).

In reality, I would consider us lucky if we sign one of JR Ferguson, Brandon Willis, Todd Chandler and Kelcy Quarles.

Just please try think both ways. If an Alabama (or any other one of our rivals) guy came on here and made some of the predictions you made, he would be absolutely ripped to shreds and laughed at....
 
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bburger991 said:
McNeil may be back as well.
Shaw graduates IIRC
I expect Douglas to move to LT honestly.
You're missing Daniel Hood as well.

Either way though, OL is just a position where early playing time isn't good no matter what unless its a complete animal like Seantrel Henderson, ..etc
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Daniel Hood is moving from TE to O Line?
 
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Hood has been at tackle or guard ever since he's been here. I can't think of which for certain, but I believe its guard.
 
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jmva1 said:
I love you posting in the recruiting forum and all, and can even deal with your very lengthy threads, but you have to be realistic with recruiting. You seem to be the least realistic person on here when it comes to prospects. You pretty much think everybody in the world that has a UT offer will sign with UT (That's a hyperbole I know, but you get the point).

In reality, I would consider us lucky if we sign one of JR Ferguson, Brandon Willis, Todd Chandler and Kelcy Quarles.

Just please try think both ways. If an Alabama (or any other one of our rivals) guy came on here and made some of the predictions you made, he would be absolutely ripped to shreds and laughed at....
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Just think of me as the Yin to the Yang of all of the people who said that they were insiders who knew we had no shot at LSU lock Janzen Jackson, or Florida lock Nu'Keese Richardson or Bryce Brown, or David Oku.

Truth is that I am super optimistic when it comes to recruiting because:
Lane Kiffin said he expects a number 1 class. He also said he expects to sing Rocky Top all night long after beating the Gators but we can all look at the various players on both teams and have a hard time swallowing that one. Looking at Gran, at Thompson, at Orgeron etc. I do not believe that with a full season to recruit we are still waiting to hear from 3 stars who we really like. I think the guys left on our board are 4 and 5 star guys. I think we will miss on lots of them, but I think until they say no (and after if there is reason to believe) I will dream of 4 and 5 star guys coming here to complete a number 1 class.

Sometimes I actually make predictions, when I do I hope it will be clear. Other times I just dream. When I say which freshmen next year will be roommates at Gibbs, it is not a prediction.

One thing I will not do is say that we have a zero percent chance on someone who is giving us an official. That would just be embarrassing.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Just think of me as the Yin to the Yang of all of the people who said that they were insiders who knew we had no shot at LSU lock Janzen Jackson, or Florida lock Nu'Keese Richardson or Bryce Brown, or David Oku.

Truth is that I am super optimistic when it comes to recruiting because:
Lane Kiffin said he expects a number 1 class. He also said he expects to sing Rocky Top all night long after beating the Gators but we can all look at the various players on both teams and have a hard time swallowing that one. Looking at Gran, at Thompson, at Orgeron etc. I do not believe that with a full season to recruit we are still waiting to hear from 3 stars who we really like. I think the guys left on our board are 4 and 5 star guys. I think we will miss on lots of them, but I think until they say no (and after if there is reason to believe) I will dream of 4 and 5 star guys coming here to complete a number 1 class.

Sometimes I actually make predictions, when I do I hope it will be clear. Other times I just dream. When I say which freshmen next year will be roommates at Gibbs, it is not a prediction.

One thing I will not do is say that we have a zero percent chance on someone who is giving us an official. That would just be embarrassing.
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Oh my gosh people give it up already. The main reason we got those guys was because we had a new staff. Had the staff had a full season to recruit and got on them early they probably would have already been committed to UT. You can't compare the players we took from other schools/landed in last years class to prospects we are looking to land in this class. It just doesn't make any sense.

What else is Lane Kiffin supposed to say? Our goal at Tennessee is to have #5 recruiting classes every year? Lane clearly has a swagger to him that he likes to keep, and by saying stuff like "I expect to have #1 recruiting classes" is just him being confident and trying to get the fan bases excited.

You have already embarrassed yourself plenty with a lot of your posts....
 
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We have maybe 4 positions that could see players getting playing time early.

TE position is open since we lost 2 last year and will loose one this year. We already have signed 2 for the 2010 class. So that position is done.

Harrison Jones - Memphis, TN
Brian Vogler - Columbus, GA


Punter and kicker are both seniors, but we already have those coming in for 2010

Cade Foster - Southlake, TX
Jay Williams - Thomasville, AL


The only other positions for us that might is DB since we have three graduating, two that start. We already have five commited for the 2010 class.

Deion Belue - Tuscumbia, AL
Demarcus Milliner - Millbrook, AL
Nick Perry - Prattville, AL
Jarrick Williams - Eight Mile, AL
Blake Sims - Gainesville, GA

Our current class has already 21 commitments counting the 2 JUCOs coming in. So we have 4 more spots but might sign 7 more. We have 23 graduating with 9 of those as starters. With the exception of the kicker, long snapper, and punter six of those spots should be filled with depth already on the roster. The only other exception might be at TE.

The players that seem to be high on the board that would fill the remaining spots are:

WR-Keenan Allen - Greensboro, NC

One of these three:
OL-Arie Kouandjio - Hyattsville, MD
OL-Damien Robinson - Olive Branch, MS
OL-James Stone - Nashville, TN

Two of these three:
LB-Jordan Hicks - West Chester, OH
LB-C.J. Mosley - Theodore, AL
LB-Alfy Hill - Shallotte, NC

One of these three:
DB-Johnavon Fulton - Manning, SC
DB-Tony Grimes - Hollywood, FL
DB-Mike Harris - Miami, Fl. via (JUCO - El Camino CC)

DE-Gabe King - Greensboro, NC
or another DE

I think we take 1 WR, 1 OL, 2 LBs, 1 DB and finish with 26 signees. With 23 graduating and we have four greyshirts. Since we have only 22 on scholarship for the 2009 class we can backcount 3 of those. So with JUCOs we have 22 spots gone now. We also have Phelon Jones who transfered in from LSU as a DB who is sitting out this season, but I think he counted towards the current class as well.

In regards to playing time our current 2009 class was considered one of the top in the nation and no player made it passed the 3rd string this fall coming out of camp.

We currently have verbals from 21 players:

1-QB
2-RBs (1 recruited to play slot receiver)
3-OLs
2-KICKER/PUNTER
5-DBs (2 listed as ATH)
2-TEs
2-WRs
1-LB
3-DLs

Included with this class will be:
1-DB transfer
1-LB grayshirt
1-DL grayshirt
2-OLs grayshirt
 
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jmva1 said:
Oh my gosh people give it up already. The main reason we got those guys was because we had a new staff. Had the staff had a full season to recruit and got on them early they probably would have already been committed to UT. You can't compare the players we took from other schools/landed in last years class to prospects we are looking to land in this class. It just doesn't make any sense.

You have already embarrassed yourself plenty with a lot of your posts....
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Wait, I was going to waste the time to look up all the recent times you have been wrong in predictions, but now I do not have to. You are seriously saying that we are in worse shape to pull surprises this year because the staff has been here a whole year?

I posit that we will have a great class and that from here on out it is 4 and 5 stars and you claim that Lane Kiffin is just joshing us because he wants to keep us excited?

Are you Jesse the 15 year old or Brian with tha site?
 
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One of these three:
OL-Arie Kouandjio - Hyattsville, MD
OL-Damien Robinson - Olive Branch, MS
OL-James Stone - Nashville, TN


LB-C.J. Mosley - Theodore, AL

In regards to playing time our current 2009 class was considered one of the top in the nation and no player made it passed the 3rd string this fall coming out of camp.


Thank you very much for the excellent reply Tidewarrior. It looks like we are really only head to head on 2 players in that we want all 4 above but if you guys get one of the OL you are done. We also it sounds like would not mind taking JaWuan from you.

From your excellent win over Va Tech it looks like UT would do much better to pursue some of the UGA players as they may be in for a bad year, but Alabama looked very very good.

You write in agreement with my main point about PT. You cannot promise PT to guys if you have guys more ready than they are who are on the bench.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Wait, I was going to waste the time to look up all the recent times you have been wrong in predictions, but now I do not have to. You are seriously saying that we are in worse shape to pull surprises this year because the staff has been here a whole year?

I posit that we will have a great class and that from here on out it is 4 and 5 stars and you claim that Lane Kiffin is just joshing us because he wants to keep us excited?

Are you Jesse the 15 year old or Brian with tha site?
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You just make no sense in your logic and clearly don't know anything about recruiting. Most peoples opinions are here are slightly UT biased, but you just take it to a whole nother level, and you don't even know what you're talking about.

Charles Drake owns and operates the site, I just do some interviews/articles for him.

And trying to damage my credibility/flame me by incorrectly saying I'm 15 is stupid.
 
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Jesse it is not your fault. When I was your age I was a student at UT, but I wish I could have been writing for a website and getting college coaches to call me back.


Charles is setting you on the wrong path with stuff like this. You cannot do mathematical certainty for a human being. They may seek guidance from God with prayer and fasting like Bryce Brown. They may follow their dads job. They may feel disrespected because they are taken for granted once they commit. They may love a teams uniform. They may love a hostess on an official visit. Can it be that fickle? Oh yes!

That is why speaking in certainties is the currency of fools. When you are wrong over and over and over again, you are the little boy who cried wolf and people do not trust you. You can take the time to look through all of my posts, I have never claimed to know where any of these guys are going. I have made arguments about who I want, who I wish we could get, why it makes sense for certain guys to come here with their family ties, or love of coaches or stated desire for playing time or whatever it is.

Corey Lemonier is going to Illinois? The same team that is losing Juice Williams after this year and that if they implode after getting humiliated in game one could lose Ron Zook? Dietrich Riley is going to USC not UT? Do you see why these numbers make you seem stupid?

Say what you know, not what you do not.
It is very likely that Ronald Powell will got to either USC or UF. Yes UT offered him first and yes he is probably coming for an official visit, but Florida is a place he has now paid to come see several times (unlike Knoxville) and USC is the hometown program with the Hollywood glitz and glamor with recent alums who stayed in mansions while in school breaking up with Kardashians to move on to other women. None of that is dumb. All of that is true.

"Ronald Powell zero percent chance" is an idiotic statement. It is one that might fly on your website but it will damage your credibility and it brings you nothing. I could spitball and say Lamarcus Joyner FSU lock, UT no chance, Dyer is going to Auburn he is a Barner lock, UT has no chance (or even more retarded has a 5% chance) but when those predictions happen no one is going to think I am special, they will know that I have read premium recruiting boards.

If you want a story idea that would get more traffic than anything you have done on your site, interview Lacey Earps. She will be a great resource for information about the hostess program and I think she would enjoy talking to a young man like yourself.

I truly admire you for doing something constructive that is a hobby and a passion and I think you could succeed in it even more than the heights you have already gotten to. Try asking recruits what team they use when they play NCAA 2010, that would be a real piece of info I would want to know. Ask them if their family is concerned about distance etc.

Keep up the good work!
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Corey Lemonier is going to Illinois? The same team that is losing Juice Williams after this year and that if they implode after getting humiliated in game one could lose Ron Zook? Dietrich Riley is going to USC not UT? Do you see why these numbers make you seem stupid?

"Ronald Powell zero percent chance" is an idiotic statement. It is one that might fly on your website but it will damage your credibility and it brings you nothing. I could spitball and say Lamarcus Joyner FSU lock, UT no chance, Dyer is going to Auburn he is a Barner lock, UT has no chance (or even more retarded has a 5% chance) but when those predictions happen no one is going to think I am special, they will know that I have read premium recruiting boards.
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Lemonier may very well be going to Illinois. There was a rumor a couple of weeks ago that he had already committed to them...

USC has quit pushing hard on Riley as of late. If they want him really bad, it would be very tough for UT to pull him...

We really do have almost no shot at Powell, or Joyner for that matter. We do have a shot at Dyer and everyone knows it. We have been his #2 for a while now...

You are way off base here...
 
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