Drew Lock vs. Real Teams

[sjt18]

I'm sure the entire team could handle JG having a lower completion rate if it meant him not having -82 rushing yards on the season from all of the sacks he has taken.

I dislike JG's cult following. I actually like JG and wish he would improve and become the QB he could be... before he takes enough hits to end his career.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Classic. You claim he's doing nothing wrong assuming you know everything... then get in a snit when someone talks in terms of what they think is happening or may be happening... because it doesn't play to your tune.

I don't claim to "know"... just to see. I saw a guy without JG's talent read a blitz and throw a hot route for a big game. I've watched all season as JG failed to do that, held the ball, and got flattened. If you have another explanation... then join the adult conversation any time.

I've never claimed he's done nothing wrong. I just happen to think he's not the main problem with the offense...which is exactly what you believe. Because of that, you ignore those concessions on areas where he needs to improve because you would rather pretend to be arguing against people who think JG is perfect. We've been through this song and dance. But by all means, keep doing what you do. You think the guy is too dumb to read defenses and you base that only on your high opinion of your own football knowledge. You act like you know the play calls and assignments so you know exactly what he should be doing out there on each play. In your response above, you finally own up to it just being your opinion...but all of your posts that are critical of him have you acting like these things are proven fact.

So many folks that make their living coaching, calling games, or in sports journalism have praised JG for what he has been able to do despite the terrible o-line. I happen to agree with them. You clearly think JG is holding the offense back because he's stupid. You try to use softer language than that, but that's clearly your opinion.

 

[Volteacher]

If JG had the oline of bama or Clemson and had 4-6 seconds to pass the ball 80% of the time he would have passed for almost 3,000 yards and we would be scoring at least 30 points a game. I would be interested in seeing JG average time to throw the ball per snap and % of times he drops back and is pressured/sacked/knocked Dow I would bet it is like 3.5 seconds and like 55% of the time is running out of the pocket or hit.

 

[ruger1234]

If JG had the oline of bama or Clemson and had 4-6 seconds to pass the ball 80% of the time he would have passed for almost 3,000 yards and we would be scoring at least 30 points a game. I would be interested in seeing JG average time to throw the ball per snap and % of times he drops back and is pressured/sacked/knocked Dow I would bet it is like 3.5 seconds and like 55% of the time is running out of the pocket or hit.

Agree but he does need to improve on presnap reads.

 

[Rooster1]

So I noticed a trend last year regarding Drew Lock. This is what I pointed out in a thread back in the summer:

"Just to drill down this point a little more I looked at his numbers minus Missouri State, Idaho and UConn. So only including Mizzou's 10 "real" opponents last year, Lock threw for 2,599 yards, 26 TD's and 11 Int's on 167 comps, 315 attempts with a completion percentage of 53%... Not exactly awe-inspiring numbers. That includes four games of under 50% completion percentage and only two 300+ yard games. "

I wanted to do the same thing for this year. If you look at Lock's overall stats, they are impressive. 2647 yards, 21 td, 8 int, and a 62.5% completion percentage. All good numbers. But let's drill down and look at his stats versus Power 5 competition, so omitting the UT Martin, Wyoming and Memphis games. The numbers look like this:

144 Completions, 245 attempts, 1610 yards, 9 TD, 8 Int (!), 58.7% Completion.

Yikes. Those are even worse than his numbers against real competition in 2017. He has bounced back the last two weeks with 3 TD's against Florida and 2 TD's against Vanderbilt (but also 2 INT's), but overall this narrative that he is an amazing, stat-stuffing SEC QB is hyperinflated by Mizzou's annual pathetic non-conference scheduling. Those three non-Power 5 games, by the way, amount to 1037 of his yards and 12 (more than half) of his TD's.

For comparison's sake, I did the same thing with JG's numbers against Power 5 competition:

104 Completions, 165 attempts, 1274 yards, 9 TD, 2 Int, 63% Completion.

These numbers are with 5 common opponents played (UGA, USC, UF, Bama and UK), while our out of conference game was against a better team and defense (WVU vs. Purdue). That also doesn't take into consideration that Guarantano has played behind a much worse O Line and has spent half of his time on the field on his back.

Now I know stats are what you make them, but I wanted to do my part to dispel the Drew Lock hype. He may have all the physical tools, but he is inconsistent at best in Power 5 games. I have faith that with Pruitt leading this defense we will continue this trend for Lock..

Yeah. But there is one big prob with the OP's assessment. He assumed UT was playing like an above average Power 5 team. Ouch.

 

[sjt18]

I've never claimed he's done nothing wrong. I just happen to think he's not the main problem with the offense...which is exactly what you believe.

So now you are so clairvoyant that you know exactly what I believe? You accuse me of acting like a know it all and then this?

I don't claim to know what the "main" problem is. I only know that there are a significant few here that blame everything on someone else. They might not say JG has done anything wrong but they'll die before admitting that it is a significant part of the problem with the O or even a particular play/game. The OL is undersized and not well developed. That's a big problem. The RB's accel against some D's but not against others. AND... JG does not consistently read D's well or make good timely decisions. If people were blaming JG all the time and excusing the OL... I'd probably be a defender.

Unlike you all... I don't just ignore the impact of the QB's issues.

. You think the guy is too dumb to read defenses and you base that only on your high opinion of your own football knowledge.

I've had many opportunities to specifically say he "can't". I have been very careful not to say that. Why? Because unlike your supposed omniscience on what I "think" or my "high opinion" of my football knowledge... I don't KNOW what holds him back.

You act like you know the play calls and assignments so you know exactly what he should be doing out there on each play. In your response above, you finally own up to it just being your opinion...but all of your posts that are critical of him have you acting like these things are proven fact.

Where have I EVER claimed it was more than my opinion? Your assumptions about my motives and attitude... don't make your conclusions true.

I have never claimed to know what the play calls or assignments were. I have watched O's coached by Helton and the QB's who performed in them. We can all compare JG to past UT QB's and current QB's including KC if we pay attention. If you cannot see it then don't hate others when they do. He has a ton of physical ability. He's not where a 3rd year player and 2nd year starter should be in reading D's and making decisions.

So many folks that make their living coaching, calling games, or in sports journalism have praised JG for what he has been able to do despite the terrible o-line. I happen to agree with them. You clearly think JG is holding the offense back because he's stupid. You try to use softer language than that, but that's clearly your opinion.

No. My opinion is that he is not making timely decisions or good reads. I actually don't think he's stupid and wouldn't even if those things didn't turn out to be innate abilities for him. Dobbs was as smart as they come but struggled with reads. Some of the "dumbest" QB's seem to have an instinct for it.

Yeah, those same announcers who were praising JG in the MU game and peeing on the OL... kind of lost their voice when KC went in and the OL suddenly looked better because he helped them out a couple of times. KC is physically not the guy you want out there. JG is. But KC's performance highlighted where JG is lagging.

 

[k-town_king]

That's a lot of rambling to say you are wrong again and too stubborn to admit it.

 

[jortfreeTN]

But KC's performance highlighted where JG is lagging.

So the guy that tossed 2 INTs and had threw for less than 37% completion rate against one of the worst passing defenses in the SEC showed us how it should done because he got hit less?

Maybe KC should learn a little from JG, stand in the pocket some and take a few hits to get the ball in the hand of the playmakers.