Dooley calling out players

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I saw this quote from Coach Martin after the Alabama game regarding some young players that did not play well. The difference between Coach Martin's approach and CDD's approach was very apparent.

Martin has seemed increasingly reluctant to give Yemi Makanjuola or Dwight Miller meaningful minutes in the post as the season has progressed, and neither was effective when given a shot at Alabama.

The head coach refused to point any fingers at his players for failing to step up though. Quite the opposite.

"I wasn't really disappointed. I put half of that on me as a coach. Your job as a coach is to have your guys ready to play. So to Yemi's defense, I didn't have him ready to play. He's a tough kid - he's always been tough. It wasn't like he was afraid of the atmosphere. I didn't have him ready to play, as well as Dwight," Martin said of neither being a factor against Alabama.

"That's more me than those guys because they come with the hard hat in practice and I have to have those guys ready to compete in game situations. I didn't do a good job of that. So, no; That's more me than him."
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Given Dooley's willingness to call out his players in the meida when he doesn't think they played well, i was wondering what VN thought was the better approach?

Do you think CDD may modify his approach on dealing with underperforming players going forward?
 
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One thing i noted from Coach Martin's quote, is the fact that the players at issue had apparently practiced hard, but just weren't able to perform in the game yet. This may be a different situation than what Dooley had - Dooley may have been calling out the players on the football squad because they failed to practice hard and he felt that caused their poor play. Does that distinction justify the different approach?
 
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Yes, that is one area where I think we will see improvement from Coach Dooley. Between Dave Hart and Derek, I think they will get that fixed. Merely a hunch on my part...
 
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Thank goodness Dooley calls out his players and throws them under the bus because he expects the BEST out of them on and off the field!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank goodness that Pat Summitt and Bob Knight aren't or weren't as passive as you want Dooley to be. OP is troll
 
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I also think there's a fine line between calling out players to make them perform better versus berating them publically. I also think that a lot of the VN population has a hard time distinguishing between the two, and the anti-Doolites see it as more of the latter which just adds fuel to their fire. (Ahem...:coughcough: allvol123 :cough: smokey79 :cough: VolBeef88 :coughcough: )
 
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I think whatever approach they want to use is fine. Now if they say, this guy is terrible, low down, stupid, etc. that's different but calling out players for not performing isn't bad. My gosh, do we have to pet and pamper everyone in society all the time?
What I'm saying is you don't need to belittle a person personally, but their performance is different. They are recruited to come to school and play hard. We are living in a society when people want to say "Now don't hurt little Johnny's feelings" There comes a time in life where we have to grow up.
I personally would take it as a challenge when a coach called me out. But then again, I didn't need too much motivation because I gave my all every play, every out, every basket, etc. because I took pride in what I could accomplish.
 
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volpreacher said:
I think whatever approach they want to use is fine. Now if they say, this guy is terrible, low down, stupid, etc. that's different but calling out players for not performing isn't bad. My gosh, do we have to pet and pamper everyone in society all the time?
What I'm saying is you don't need to belittle a person personally, but their performance is different. They are recruited to come to school and play hard. We are living in a society when people want to say "Now don't hurt little Johnny's feelings" There comes a time in life where we have to grow up.
I personally would take it as a challenge when a coach called me out. But then again, I didn't need too much motivation because I gave my all every play, every out, every basket, etc. because I took pride in what I could accomplish.
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Bingo.
 
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I think DD is very much like Jeff Fisher was, in calling out players; i.e., he doesn't do it without a purpose.

However, I think this backfires on DD far and away more than it ever did with Fisher. Fisher was much more tactful and subtle than Dooley has ever been...doesn't mean that one is smarter than the other, just means that Fisher is a more seasoned coach.

Hopefully Dooley has learned his lesson--and judging by some of the things he's been more forthcoming about lately (making mistakes with the media, the alleged apologies he issued to the team, etc.), I'd say he has...or at least seems to have.
 
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Putting better talent on the field will be CDD's approach to under performing players.

The willingness to call them out is just a personality thing that has been blown out of proportion by some thin skinned fans. IMHO
 
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Dooley has already stated to the media that there are no more excuses, like youth, depth and so on. Also stated he needs to step up and be a better coach. So I think you will hear Dooley taking responsibility for mistakes that are made on the field. As bad as the Kentucky loss was, I think it was an eye opener for CDD and will make him a better coach and leader. That one will be eating at him for a long long time!
 
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I don't care what people say. I really think that Dooley is gonna change a lot of everything. Chaney, Game pressers, and everything. I really believe he NOW feels we are a force to reckon with and knows that we can compete. I mean, wouldn't you feel upset or numb that going into a job thats not gonna produce good results right away. Dooley seems more upbeat because now he knows we are not a bottom feeder in the SEC anymore. Its his program built by him.
 
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I always wonder if some of the critics on here think.

I'm a jerk to people about this or maybe I should change my stance about that. A lot of people tell me that I will be easier to get along with and have more friends if I do this.

Some of these guys are so critical do they ever look in the mirror?
 
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If the coach is to blame, admit it. If the player is to blame, call him out!! If it's a combination of both, say so. This is NOT peewee football. It's BIGBOY football. Smack their helmet. Grab their jersey. Shake 'em up. Tell the press and fans "he don't listen", "he won't practice hard", "he doesn't execute". SEC baby!

I bet if we were 11-1 last year and DD was calling out lazy players, the fans would be PRAISING him. js
 
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Somewhere between the two lies a happy medium.

Neyland Law Vol said:
I saw this quote from Coach Martin after the Alabama game regarding some young players that did not play well. The difference between Coach Martin's approach and CDD's approach was very apparent.



Given Dooley's willingness to call out his players in the meida when he doesn't think they played well, i was wondering what VN thought was the better approach?

Do you think CDD may modify his approach on dealing with underperforming players going forward?
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volpreacher said:
I think whatever approach they want to use is fine. Now if they say, this guy is terrible, low down, stupid, etc. that's different but calling out players for not performing isn't bad. My gosh, do we have to pet and pamper everyone in society all the time?
What I'm saying is you don't need to belittle a person personally, but their performance is different. They are recruited to come to school and play hard. We are living in a society when people want to say "Now don't hurt little Johnny's feelings" There comes a time in life where we have to grow up.
I personally would take it as a challenge when a coach called me out. But then again, I didn't need too much motivation because I gave my all every play, every out, every basket, etc. because I took pride in what I could accomplish.
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Yep.

I can see Martin's approach in a performance review in any kind of business:

"Well, Mr. Smith wasn't able to perform this year, so I had to let him sit and do nothing all year, but that's OK. It's my fault as his supervisor that I didn't prepare him properly."

Ain't happening.
 
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The pressures are night and day different so CCM can afford to be the good cop. All good managers need to give a little good with the bad (the good first with a big "however" for the segue to the bad) to get the most out of their players/employees.
 
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voldawgforever said:
If the coach is to blame, admit it. If the player is to blame, call him out!! If it's a combination of both, say so. This is NOT peewee football. It's BIGBOY football. Smack there helmet. Grab their jersey. Shake 'em up. Tell the press and fans "he don't listen", "he won't practice hard", "he doesn't execute". SEC baby!
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Damn straight, break a foot off in their arse. If they can't handle it, perhaps they should be playing intramural ball.

Making men outta boys can be rough.
 
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I agree, Dooley may bring a different approach this year...however, as a young man (I'm 42 now), the most significant lessons that stick with me the most today are the ones where my dad or other elders called me out...directly. No sugar coating and no sympathy. Yes, these are young men that need an approach that is more effective in the immediate future (for the sake of our fan base), however, in the long run....I believe Dooley's approach works. We as fans react to what we see NOW...the initial reaction...and lots of criticism gets dished out. But we havent given it enough time to evaluate what the actual result will be....this season will tell. From what we are seeing during this early off season, the older players are now responding well. Hell, I remember cussing my dad for throwing me under the bus many times in front of my friends and his employees...looking back now, I wouldnt want him to take any of it back. It made me want to prove him wrong immediately and now, as an adult, I carry those lessons into my business world. JMHO!!
 
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Billy Antrim said:
Yep.

I can see Martin's approach in a performance review in any kind of business:

"Well, Mr. Smith wasn't able to perform this year, so I had to let him sit and do nothing all year, but that's OK. It's my fault as his supervisor that I didn't prepare him properly."

Ain't happening.
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:eek:lol: I think you understand. :thumbsup:
 
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I heard Dools already called out Pig Howard for having small hands.......TIFWIW
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