Dooley argument

[UTWes]

It seems like there is more of a “hiring Dooley” argument now than we had 2 years ago. I think we all were so eager to get past Kiffin and move on that we didn't really analyze the hire like we are now? I think some on here are seeing things that scare them. They aren't talent related they are coaching related.
And to be honest, you can’t look at anything in his past that would justify him being hired the head coach of a major SEC program. I hope I am proven wrong, but you don’t have to be a football Einstein to know crap when you see it. I mean coaching crap, not talent crap.

 

[berryvol]

Nega-vol. Give him time
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[Cartervol]

Did anyone have a say in who Hamilton was going to go out and hire? Other than him and a handful of trustees?

I didn't like how any of it went down. They were screwed anyway, should have took their time.

No need to cry over spilt milk now though. Dooley is the guy for another year maybe two and beyond.

 

[UTWes]

Did anyone have a say in who Hamilton was going to go out and hire? Other than him and a handful of trustees?

I didn't like how any of it went down. They were screwed anyway, should have took their time.

No need to cry over spilt milk now though. Dooley is the guy for another year maybe two and beyond.

I guess it just sucks knowing Dooley probably isn't the guy, but we have to give him his time.

 

[rickyyrs]

If Kiffin was here we would not have a football program. We would be shut down.

 

[UTWes]

If Kiffin was here we would not have a football program. We would be shut down.

I don't disagree with that. My post was about Dooley not Kiffin.

 

[WesternKyVol]

Dooley is doing many of the right things to be a winning football coach. We will start to see the payoff in the next 12 mos. (hopefully sooner rather than later)

 

[volmandu]

Wow..many guys that post here are dumb..what has Dooley done wrong..?? Who expected a better season with all the inexperience we have..?? We play in SEC and dooley inherited a pretty much high school team..give him time..we got great talent..and we are competing ..be with your team..be a true fan

 

[dlw4n]

I think any discussion of the coach hiring before his own recruits are old enough to drink is premature. I think/hope we are headed in the right direction, but this is year 1. We will see.

 

[VolBeef88]

It seems like there is more of a “hiring Dooley” argument now than we had 2 years ago. I think we all were so eager to get past Kiffin and move on that we didn't really analyze the hire like we are now? I think some on here are seeing things that scare them. They aren't talent related they are coaching related.
And to be honest, you can’t look at anything in his past that would justify him being hired the head coach of a major SEC program. I hope I am proven wrong, but you don’t have to be a football Einstein to know crap when you see it. I mean coaching crap, not talent crap.

How dare you! Just because DD had a losing record in the WAC and is .500 while at UT doesn't mean anything. Just because he's about to drop 4 games below .500 at UT doesn't mean anything.
Just because our O-line (all returning starters) has regressed.
Just because our running game has regressed.
Just because our defense has regressed.
None of that means anything and the guy that's responsible to make sure things get better and gets paid millions to do so is not to be challenged and how dare you, me or any fan question the coach.
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[dblutfan]

Did anyone have a say in who Hamilton was going to go out and hire? Other than him and a handful of trustees?

I didn't like how any of it went down. They were screwed anyway, should have took their time.

No need to cry over spilt milk now though. Dooley is the guy for another year maybe two and beyond.

How much time should they have taken? With NSD just around the corner we needed someone who could come in and save the class.
Just for the record, I like the hire. I believe Dooley will get us back on top.

 

[UTVOL02]

Another one of these threads

 

[Incipient]

It seems like there is more of a “hiring Dooley” argument now than we had 2 years ago. I think we all were so eager to get past Kiffin and move on that we didn't really analyze the hire like we are now? I think some on here are seeing things that scare them. They aren't talent related they are coaching related.
And to be honest, you can’t look at anything in his past that would justify him being hired the head coach of a major SEC program. I hope I am proven wrong, but you don’t have to be a football Einstein to know crap when you see it. I mean coaching crap, not talent crap.

Actually, if you'd be hanging around here, you would've noticed two zillion "hiring Dooley" arguments back in 2010. The fact that they're coming back right now is somewhat ridiculous.

 

[halftruth]

Again, We tried to hire an elite coach and they said no. We offered 4 plus million to Cowher/Grudens of the world, the answer was still no. We took a chance on the recommendation of several experts in the business on Dooley. At that point he was as good an option as we had.

 

[UTWes]

How dare you! Just because DD had a losing record in the WAC and is .500 while at UT doesn't mean anything. Just because he's about to drop 4 games below .500 at UT doesn't mean anything.
Just because our O-line (all returning starters) has regressed.
Just because our running game has regressed.
Just because our defense has regressed.
None of that means anything and the guy that's responsible to make sure things get better and gets paid millions to do so is not to be challenged and how dare you, me or any fan question the coach.
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LMAO :lolabove: That's what I feel like I've been reading for a week.

 

[CWGvol]

Saban went 6-6 in his first year and lost late to a nobody. He inherited a pretty loaded roster and it still took a year to get it right because thats just the way it is when you make a coaching change. So why is it so hard to believe that after back to back coaching changes it takes 2 year to get it right, and then be expected to win in the third year. We wont know for sure what DD is until next year at least.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

The scariest thing is the regression of the offensive line and the running game in general with the same players and the continued coaching gaffes, like not having the play in on 3rd and 1 in the UGA game. That stuff is coaching, not talent. When you're outmanned you need your coaches to coach guys up, get the most out of their players and not commit mental errors that could affect the outcome of a game. That's the indictment for now. Maybe things will get noticeable better before the end of the season?

 

[Cartervol]

How much time should they have taken? With NSD just around the corner we needed someone who could come in and save the class.
Just for the record, I like the hire. I believe Dooley will get us back on top.

Says who? I don't buy that every recruit would have bailed. Name Kippy the interim coach. You save most of that class. He could have coached us to a 6-7 record. I don't to this day get the panic they displayed.

 

[UTWes]

Again, We tried to hire an elite coach and they said no. We offered 4 plus million to Cowher/Grudens of the world, the answer was still no. We took a chance on the recommendation of several experts in the business on Dooley. At that point he was as good an option as we had.

Now how do you know we offered anyone 4 million? You are telling me Derrick Dooley, who no one even knew before we hired him, was the only coach that would come to the University of Tennessee? come on, this hire was a complete joke. I didn't even know Vince Dooley had a son until we hired Dooley.

I wanted to believe in him too, it was kinda of exciting when he came in, but I seeing coaching crap unrelated to talent. Penalties, time management, careless misstakes...etc.

 

[volfan4evr]

This is a message board and everyone has an opinion. I'm not gonna trash anyone for that opinion but we can discuss things from our point of view. No, I wasn't thrilled in the Dooley hire. My opinion was to go MAKE someone take our HC job. By that, I mean throw enough money at them they couldn't refuse. Not a good assistant coach, but an established coach who could come in and immediately have an impact on recruiting. CDD did a good job at keeping, and adding to our recruiting class. So now, he's our coach and I back him in what he's trying to do. He may not get it done, but he for sure won't get it done if we don't give him the time. It's like the old saying......"you're not beat till you give up". Regardless of what any of us want, he's here to stay for another two years at least.

 

[VolBeef88]

How much time should they have taken? With NSD just around the corner we needed someone who could come in and save the class.
Just for the record, I like the hire. I believe Dooley will get us back on top.

So one signing class is more important than making the proper hiring of a head coach? The head coach will have a MUCH bigger impact on the future of the program than one class!
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[Domestic Silence]

What also scares me is CDD allows bullcrap like this to go on:

***Meanwhile, P Matt Darr explained one of the most damaging plays during the second half, his short punt out of the end zone that set Georgia up with some prime field position.
"They threw me out there," he said. "I was a little nervous coming out of the end zone and coming off the blocked punt the week before. I was making sure I got it out of the endzone.
"The worse thing that could happen was have one blocked in the end zone. I rushed things a little bit and kind of mis-hit it. I didn't do my job the best I could. I kind of made up for it later on in the game with those two."

If this statement is a consensus of CDD and the rest of the coaches, fire them today. That's bullcrap. They threw me out there.....YOU'RE THE F****** PUNTER! What the hell do you think you do?

If they are proud of Darr, and that he "made up for it", our coaches don't know what a good football player looks like.

 

[VolBeef88]

The scariest thing is the regression of the offensive line and the running game in general with the same players and the continued coaching gaffes, like not having the play in on 3rd and 1 in the UGA game. That stuff is coaching, not talent. When you're outmanned you need your coaches to coach guys up, get the most out of their players and not commit mental errors that could affect the outcome of a game. That's the indictment for now. Maybe things will get noticeable better before the end of the season?

Exactly. And our defense seems so confused and have shown regression as well in technique not just talent.
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[Carl Pickens]

It seems like there is more of a “hiring Dooley” argument now than we had 2 years ago. I think we all were so eager to get past Kiffin and move on that we didn't really analyze the hire like we are now? I think some on here are seeing things that scare them. They aren't talent related they are coaching related.
And to be honest, you can’t look at anything in his past that would justify him being hired the head coach of a major SEC program. I hope I am proven wrong, but you don’t have to be a football Einstein to know crap when you see it. I mean coaching crap, not talent crap.

I know posting crap when I see it too.....bro...you suck

 

[Incipient]

I wanted to believe in him too, it was kinda of exciting when he came in, but I seeing coaching crap unrelated to talent. Penalties, time management, careless misstakes...etc.

People keep harping on time management. Seriously, where are all these time management issues? Did everybody want to try to run a 30 yard pass (with our offensive line) in 9 seconds with no timeouts?

On the other side, you see a successful surprise onside kick and two successful fake punts (in two attempts). Do those not weigh in on the positive side?