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The following post is a no way referencing positive or negative outlook, but how we feel about certain concepts.
Kyler Kerbyson made several remarks this morning on one of the local sports shows, the following is two that I found most interesting.
I will be paraphrasing, as it's not in transcript and I'm not going to listen and write down word for word.

1. Basically every play is an option. I know what you're thinking , "of course it is", but it is beyond what I thought.
Kyler said that the play call could even be a run for Hurd. That he could have lined up for a run, and do his best to make a huge hole for Hurd to run through, and Dobbs decide to make a pass play instead. Basically, almost every play, in the end, was the decision of Dobbs.
Now I was well aware that Dobbs may run because the pass play wasn't there, but this is a little different than how I had it in my head.
I have made several comments here about pass to run ratio, all of them, assuming that Dobbs did what was called 90% of the time. That is not how Kyler made it sound at all.
I know I grumbled about 2 identical pass plays in the flat being called, and this makes it sound like that may very well not have been the calls.

At the beginning of the post I said this may not have anything to do with you feeling positive or negative. As for me, I'm not sure how to feel about this, but it might change which part of the game I'm upset about.


To a lesser degree, because I believe opinion can play a big factor here.
2. He got on the o-line a little, while somewhat sticking up for Mahoney.
Paraphrasing again, but he basically said that Mahoney does a really good job teaching them. "You can only show proper technique to the guys so many times". And that they looked really good at times last year and not at others because of their consistency.
They do it right in practice, they do it right two or three times on the same play call, then they just suddenly whiff next time on the same kind of play.
As I pointed out, this one can be opinion - maybe a better coach could have made them more consistent. I still found it interesting, so thought I would pass it along as well.

Like I said, these are his paraphrased comments.
But the first comment on play calling, was very interesting to me. Maybe I'm not any less upset but possibly for a different reason.
I'll try to post the link below if anyone would like to hear it for themselves. You may not usually enjoy the show but I found it to be very informative this time around.

Sports Source | Sundays at 11am on WATE Channel 6
 
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Sounds like its over complicated. Maybe the OL isnt an issue but the scheme itself

I also wondered about the level of complexity.
And a personal opinion, you would think Dobbs would already be a little busy to have all that on his plate.
 
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I guess that's what Butch means when he calls Dobbs the CEO.

Heck, even Peyton was limited to two or three plays to choose from at the line of scrimmage.
 
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I saw the show also and I wondered myself if giving Dobbs that much freedom is also messing with the OLines blocking scheme. Maybe they should simplify it more.
 
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Something he said that stuck out to me was about the fact that they have moved the guys on the OL around a lot. He suggested that it is hard to play together when something like that happens.
 
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I guess that's what Butch means when he calls Dobbs the CEO.

Heck, even Peyton was limited to two or three plays to choose from at the line of scrimmage.

As smart as Dobbs is he does not seem to have the savvy for picking the right play that Peyton did (who does though?). Maybe making things easier for him would help him out.
 
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Reads as if everyone is having the same kinds of questions that popped into my mind.
I remember a story about Dobbs not long ago that said you could throw any situation at him and he would tell you the proper play.
The problem being, doing it in the classroom is one thing, on the field and live action can present an entirely different scenario.
 
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Sounds like its over complicated. Maybe the OL isnt an issue but the scheme itself

Sometimes the offense needs to be simplified until the OC can get his guys to execute. I also don't like them limiting the play book so much against lesser teams. I understand not wanting to show too much, but you're throwing away a good opportunity to prepare your offense for tougher games. By that I mean that having an offense that can execute more plays in a game situation is more valuable than catching an opponent off guard.
 
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Well, this puts this into an entirely different perspective, Dobbs has been missing alot of obvious keepers! I wonder if he was saving himself for the 4 game stretch and setting up some play calls for later?! Saturday will tell the tail!
 
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My question is a simple one. Why wouldn't you help Dobbs by using slants and a quick passing game? Instead of the slower developing 5 and 7 step drops?
 
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Well, this puts this into an entirely different perspective, Dobbs has been missing alot of obvious keepers! I wonder if he was saving himself for the 4 game stretch and setting up some play calls for later?! Saturday will tell the tail!

I don't think every play is truly a read option because the coaches want to keep his carries down until we hit SEC play...well, we're here!

Dobbs is credited with 37 carries but he's been sacked 7 times...so he's rushing 10 times per game...I expect that to be closer to 15 per game over the next 4 games...
 
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With all of the problems on the OL, I don't understand why the base play is to line Hurd up over the left guard and try to run him over right tackle. He takes the handoff and runs parallel to the line of scrimmage before cutting up field. Seems to put more pressure on the OL to hold their blocks all across the LOS.
 
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Maybe the OC should call the plays since he's paid $$$ for it. Or at least call some pass plays that don't require Dobbs to read the D as he's not real good at it.
 
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As the Vols amass more and more game film for opponents to study, Dobbs pressure is going to grow immeasurably. This can only lead to more miscues and probably a few "L"s in the W/L column.

Debord = Clawfense?

Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS)
 
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Did I read the first point right? It sounds like what's being said is Dobbs has a few options on most every play AFTER the ball is snapped, one possibly being a pass...

Is that what I heard?

If true, in my uneducated opinion, that sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen..
 
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Wow I never would have assumed Dobbs had that much autonomy over a play. That actually sounds like a huge issue, in my understanding. How is the OL supposed to pass protect on a play they aren't sure is going to be a run or pass? I would bet the issues with the OL would decrease significantly if they knew what was going on behind them. Maybe if Dobbs' arm could be relied upon every play, it would be the dynamic offense we've been looking for.

(all based on Kerbyson's comment holding true for this season)
 
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As smart as Dobbs is he does not seem to have the savvy for picking the right play that Peyton did (who does though?). Maybe making things easier for him would help him out.

I don't think Dobbs makes great decisions. Maybe he's too intellectual and doesn't have that 'gut' instinct that leads to snap decisions. How many times have we seen him hand off and then run a fake QB run that would have gone 20+ yards had he kept it? And then the times he keeps it there's a huge lane for the RB. I usually just put that on Dobbs making poor reads and decisions.
 
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I don't see how it could be every play. We would have linemen downfield penalties much more often if that were the case.

I bet RPO is only on a select few of the shorter quick hitting pass plays we complain about so much.
 
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Sounds like its over complicated. Maybe the OL isnt an issue but the scheme itself

Could be. Would explain a lot. Seems our OL always seems to be on their heels playing in a retreating fashion. Oh for the good old days where linemen drove folks off the ball and LB's had to take a FB head on.

Folks are gonna get a taste of drive blocking and old school when we face GT next year. Too bad we don't play Arky or a team like Stanford. The difference would be stark and startling.
 
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I saw the show also and I wondered myself if giving Dobbs that much freedom is also messing with the OLines blocking scheme. Maybe they should simplify it more.
Its pretty common to have a run/pass option called every play. The QB reads the defense and changes to the second play if the defensive alignment favors the other play. You hear it weekly in the NFL when you hear a QB hollar "kill kill". That kills the original play and switches to the alternate play. I do agree that Dobbs could be over thinking things and selecting the wrong option. I noticed in the last few games several times the coaches on the sidelines called audibles for Dobbs at different points during the games.
 
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Its pretty common to have a run/pass option called every play. The QB reads the defense and changes to the second play if the defensive alignment favors the other play. You hear it weekly in the NFL when you hear a QB hollar "kill kill". That kills the original play and switches to the alternate play. I do agree that Dobbs could be over thinking things and selecting the wrong option. I noticed in the last few games several times the coaches on the sidelines called audibles for Dobbs at different points during the games.

That's not what Kyler was talking about. He gave the example I used in the op. He still ran the run block and Dobbs made a pass. No audible.
Changes after the snap.
 
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This explains a lot. No wonder the oline is not consistent, they have no idea what's going on behind them or what the guy next to them is going to do. Communication is key.
 
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