Does Butch Blame Players Behind Closed Doors?

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orange parmejohn

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Sinclair on Basilio and maybe someone on Swain as well, iirc, said that multiple people close to the program, including players say that Butch takes "responsibility" in the press conference but once he gets behind closed doors, starts calling out and blaming the players. I'm paraphrasing here, but that is basically what was said. Thought it was worth mentioning. Obviously players need to be held accountable but I don't know the line between blame and accountability. I never played football. I do know that these kids give their all for Butch. Hopefully Butch properly shoulders his share of the blame in front of his players and doesn't lay it all on them.
 
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Every talk show in town not on sports animal has talked about it. I have no idea but it would make sense for all the attrition last year.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I definitely agree but I also think a coach has to tell them when he himself messes up which I hope is happening but don't think is.
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It's Dave Hart's job to tell Butch when he messes up and our job to tell Dave Hart when he does. Whole lotta messing up goin on.
 
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ochocinco said:
It's Dave Hart's job to tell Butch when he messes up and our job to tell Dave Hart when he does. Whole lotta messing up goin on.
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I'm not talking about chain of command. I'm talking about leadership. Dooley constantly threw his players under the bus and didn't take responsibility for his own ineptitude and they quit respecting him. Not saying this is happening, but it is a concern after 2 historically catastrophic losses.
 
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2 historically catastrophic losses? they were within 6 points of winning those games


and there is nothing wrong with a coach chewing some players asses out after a game or before or during practice :)
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I'm not talking about chain of command. I'm talking about leadership. Dooley constantly threw his players under the bus and didn't take responsibility for his own ineptitude and they quit respecting him. Not saying this is happening, but it is a concern after 2 historically catastrophic losses.
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It's only a concern because u guys keep looking for a reason to jump on the coach.
 
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It's hindsight's fault for not being a pre game crystal ball. It easy to say after the game. If one player one had made one stop here or there. If DeBord would have called a different play here or there on any drive to give us another 1st down. If Butch would have gone for the 40% chance of making a 2 pt C with 12 point lead.
It's easy after the fact. If the FG miss had hooked we win, it's the winds fault.
So that's what everyone is and should be doing on VN.
Do us some talking to the wind. That's where the answer is blowing.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Sinclair on Basilio and maybe someone on Swain as well, iirc, said that multiple people close to the program, including players say that Butch takes "responsibility" in the press conference but once he gets behind closed doors, starts calling out and blaming the players. I'm paraphrasing here, but that is basically what was said. Thought it was worth mentioning. Obviously players need to be held accountable but I don't know the line between blame and accountability. I never played football. I do know that these kids give their all for Butch. Hopefully Butch properly shoulders his share of the blame in front of his players and doesn't lay it all on them.
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Maybe CBJ should blame players on the sideline. During the game. Seems to work for McElwain at UF.
 
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governmentmule said:
2 historically catastrophic losses? they were within 6 points of winning those games


and there is nothing wrong with a coach chewing some players asses out after a game or before or during practice :)
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Yea and Dooley was within 2 points of beating LSU on the road, come on man you know good and damn well how UT lost those games.
 
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Trying to keep up. Let me see if I've got it.

Bad: Dooley blaming players to the media
Bad: Jones blaming players to their face

Bad: Participation trophies
Bad: Calling out players who don't play well

I'm missing some, what else?
 
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vollygirl said:
Trying to keep up. Let me see if I've got it.

Bad: Dooley blaming players to the media
Bad: Jones blaming players to their face

Bad: Participation trophies
Bad: Calling out players who don't play well

I'm missing some, what else?
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The issue at hand is whether Butch is blaming players when he is the one responsible for losing these games.
 
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nagle said:
It's only a concern because u guys keep looking for a reason to jump on the coach.
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He gives enough reasons that one doesn't have to look but I just started a thread relating a topic that has been talked about on the radio. I'm not bashing Jones as a coach. His coaching speaks loudly for itself
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Yea and Dooley was within 2 points of beating LSU on the road, come on man you know good and damn well how UT lost those games.
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so a total of 8 points then ? and yea Dooley flat out blew that game

but CBJ's team were so damn close to winning and I will be honest,it does fall on the coaches,but there were a lot of plays left on the field

and in no way am I putting it on Medley,he didn't have to be put in those positions,but what if ? if he had hit those,this site would have blown up way worse than the loses,we would have declared the Vols the up coming National champs


I saw a tough as nails Vol team fight to the bitter end and never quit,not to shabby for a group of young SEC players at all? don't you think ?
 
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governmentmule said:
2 historically catastrophic losses? they were within 6 points of winning those games


and there is nothing wrong with a coach chewing some players asses out after a game or before or during practice :)
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TRUTH, Mule...but there's just no denying the "Jerry Springer" mentality to some VN friends. :crazy:
 
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vollygirl said:
Trying to keep up. Let me see if I've got it.

Bad: Dooley blaming players to the media
Bad: Jones blaming players to their face

Bad: Participation trophies
Bad: Calling out players who don't play well

I'm missing some, what else?
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Lol Jones is a bad coach and has the same record as Dooley. Can't forget that jewel
 
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governmentmule said:
so a total of 8 points then ? and yea Dooley flat out blew that game

but CBJ's team were so damn close to winning and I will be honest,it does fall on the coaches,but there were a lot of plays left on the field

and in no way am I putting it on Medley,he didn't have to be put in those positions,but what if ? if he had hit those,this site would have blown up way worse than the loses,we would have declared the Vols the up coming National champs


I saw a tough as nails Vol team fight to the bitter end and never quit,not to shabby for a group of young SEC players at all? don't you think ?
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In no way shape or form is this on the players they played their butts off and sure they made some mistakes during the game and thats to be expected. But the Leader/ "Care taker of Tennessee Football" should in no way shape or form be going into a conservative shell in these types of games. He had a chance to blow OU and UF out of the water but instead seemingly went into hiding hoping the scores would hold. I'm not talking about 2 plays, I'm talking about his scared conservative nature in the 2nd half with leads. If your going to run this up tempo finesse style offense you have to go for the throat and run it up and I have yet to see CBJ do that. I don't like CBJ at the moment not that it really matters, but UT needs him to succeed or things are going to get really messy around here. So Go Vols beat Arkansas
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Sinclair on Basilio and maybe someone on Swain as well, iirc, said that multiple people close to the program, including players say that Butch takes "responsibility" in the press conference but once he gets behind closed doors, starts calling out and blaming the players. I'm paraphrasing here, but that is basically what was said. Thought it was worth mentioning. Obviously players need to be held accountable but I don't know the line between blame and accountability. I never played football. I do know that these kids give their all for Butch. Hopefully Butch properly shoulders his share of the blame in front of his players and doesn't lay it all on them.
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Of course he lets players know when they mess up. "I do know that these kids give their all for Butch." We do NOT know that EVERY player gives their all. We know the MAJORITY of them seem to give their all, but there may well be a few who aren't. This is not some unexpected realization for me. I assumed Butch gets on players who mess up. I support that.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
In no way shape or form is this on the players they played their butts off and sure they made some mistakes during the game and thats to be expected. But the Leader/ "Care taker of Tennessee Football" should in no way shape or form be going into a conservative shell in these types of games. He had a chance to blow OU and UF out of the water but instead seemingly went into hiding hoping the scores would hold. I'm not talking about 2 plays, I'm talking about his scared conservative nature in the 2nd half with leads. If your going to run this up tempo finesse style offense you have to go for the throat and run it up and I have yet to see CBJ do that. I don't like CBJ at the moment not that it really matters, but UT needs him to succeed or things are going to get really messy around here. So Go Vols beat Arkansas
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When did the basic tenet of, "defense wins football games", change?
 
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