Does anybody have a definition of 4 down territory?

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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Where there any instances 4th quarter where you said to yourself, "we're in 4 down territory" ?

I mean, I'm thinking if you're down by 2 TD's with around 7 minutes left and a team that has put points on us in bunches, what difference would it make if you go for it? If you get the 1st down, you keep the drive alive. If you don't get it, they probably run the clock down to under 4 minutes and you now have to score 2 TD's in that amount of time... or they score another TD to make it 52-31.
 
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When you are down 45-31 with under 2 minutes to go it's 4 down territory, regardless of the field position. I mean, what kind of message does it send when you are preaching to the players constantly about playing hard for 60 minutes, then you as a coach just give up and quit with a minute and a half to go. If you don't make it and Cal scores again so what.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
When you are down 45-31 with under 2 minutes to go it's 4 down territory, regardless of the field position.
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When you are down two touchdowns with less than two minutes to go inside your own 20, you are beaten. There is not a good decision to make, they all end in losing. In this age where style points do matter, where losing by 3 touchdowns IS worse than losing by 2 touchdowns, where there is a difference in giving up more or less than 50, I think punting is marginally the correct decision.

If we finish 10-1 or 9-2, that saved score might actually matter. If we finish worse than that, it doesn't matter at all. The trick is not to find yourself in that position.
 
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cotton said:
When you are down two touchdowns with less than two minutes to go inside your own 20, you are beaten. There is not a good decision to make, they all end in losing. In this age where style points do matter, where losing by 3 touchdowns IS worse than losing by 2 touchdowns, where there is a difference in giving up more or less than 50, I think punting is marginally the correct decision.

If we finish 10-1 or 9-2, that saved score might actually matter. If we finish worse than that, it doesn't matter at all. The trick is not to find yourself in that position.
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Style points? Are you serious? What about throwing one haymaker on your way down?
 
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cotton said:
What was it about last night's performance that made you believe we had that sort of haymaker in us?
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We'll you're right. I mean, if all you're going to do is throw underneath stuff in front of the defenders, then I guess that punting was our best option. What if we throw one deep and it gets intercepted? Is that sort of like a punt?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We'll you're right. I mean, if all you're going to do is throw underneath stuff in front of the defenders, then I guess that punting was our best option. What if we throw one deep and it gets intercepted? Is that sort of like a punt?
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Good point, but I guess the fear is that their DBs don't have any better chance of catching it than our receivers.

Again, I think the best answer is to tackle and cover even moderately well so that you don't find yourself looking up at a scoreboard that says 45-something.
 
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cotton said:
When you are down two touchdowns with less than two minutes to go inside your own 20, you are beaten. There is not a good decision to make, they all end in losing. In this age where style points do matter, where losing by 3 touchdowns IS worse than losing by 2 touchdowns, where there is a difference in giving up more or less than 50, I think punting is marginally the correct decision.

If we finish 10-1 or 9-2, that saved score might actually matter. If we finish worse than that, it doesn't matter at all. The trick is not to find yourself in that position.
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I understand what you are saying, but I totally disagree. It gets back to my question about what kind of message does it send to the team. We concede the loss, let's just go out there and try to keep them from running up the score any more. Style points only matter if you have a realistic chance of making it to a BCS game. I would rather give up 50 still trying to win than to give up 45 and concede the game. JMO.
 
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i might have went for it on the 4th and what 3 or 4 in the first half when they called the time out and of course came out and punted. I know its early in the game but you could kind of tell you really needed to match td for td. if they didnt get it well cal is about where they started most drives anyway.
 
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i would have went for it at the end. stranger things have happened in a game before and of course you never know by just giving up. i know the chance of making that down were slim but, i just have the never give up attitude if there is time on the clock.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wow... laying down with time still on the clock? :blink:
Then we may as well punt the rest of the season away... :ermm:
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Really. I don't recall us laying down. I thought we played hard and just got beat.

So you think bc we punt at the end of the cal game then we give up the rest of the year? Crazy.
 
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4-down territory is the entire field. But what do I know; I only use quick kicks all over the field instead of punts.
 
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85Destiny said:
No, you punt it bc the game is over. Be able to recognize a loss when you see one.
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I just don't get that line of thinking. The only time to recognize a loss is when the clock runs out. I probably defer to the coaches as much as anyone, but the decision to punt with 2 minutes to go and down by 14 completely escapes me. Granted, our chances were slim and none at that point, but it's not like it's unprecedented to score, get an onsides kick and score again.
 
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