Documentary Portrays Islamic Extremists' Call to Arms Against the Free World

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According to a shocking new documentary called “Obsession,” the free world is still unprepared to face the unwavering commitment of those who have pledged their lives to our destruction. The film states that we suffer not so much from complacency, but from the naïve disbelief that we remain targets of thousands, perhaps millions of radical Muslims around the world.

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How determined to kill you is radical Islam? This weekend, FOX News Channel examines the full scope of the threat to the United States, with the help of documentarian Wayne Kopping. This hour-long program exposes the stunning and explicit threats made against the West made by Islamic leaders. It features interviews with former terrorists, shocking Islamic news video never before broadcast in America, and undercover footage taken inside suicide bomber initiations and secret jihadist meetings.

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The special will air Saturday night at 8 p.m. ET, and will be repeated Sunday at 1 a.m. ET, 5 a.m. ET and 10 p.m. ET.

FOXNews.com - Documentary Portrays Islamic Extremists' Call to Arms Against the Free World
 
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Dang man, have you even seen it yet? Your already calling it propaganda?

I'll give you some proaganda!

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."
Last week, he also expressed doubt about the killing by the Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was a myth."They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

This is what most of the people of these countrys are taught from birth. They are raised to hate us and the israelis.


Heres some more propaganda!!!!!!!!!!

WARNING: NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH!!!!! IM NOT KIDDING!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!

I will give you a link to a page and then you will have to click on a seperate link to access the "propaganda"
Videos, Animations, Presentations on the Israeli - Arab - Palestinian Conflict

there are many things on here one really good on is the clip dated 2005-04-20 labeled Helicopter shot down - part2
 
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There is one solution to this that no one seems to want to mention or talk about, which is that there is only one reason we even interact with these people, and it is the same way that we SUPPORT these people. Ask yourself this 1) what fuels this hatred. and 2) what is the one thing that is stopping us from just pulling out of the middle east all together? Why isn't your government having serious discussions about developing viable alternative energies? Because they have interests to protect, that is why. As a culture we are clinging to a model of energy supply that is based upon the expectation (or more realistically the coercion) of soverign nations to act against their own self interests. Why do you think Hugo Chávez has been so villified, because the leader of an oil rich nation decides to do what is best for that nation's interests. Think about where we would be right now if we had poured what a few hundred billion that we spent invading a country that actually had nothing to do with terrorism, or that posed to threat to us, instead into reaseach of alternate energies that would allow us to sever all connections to the middle east, and stop pretending like we are trying to be the democracy police (when in reality we are trying to be the oil market police, in the most undemocratic of ways).
 
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Why isn't your government having serious discussions about developing viable alternative energies?
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1.) Not quite sure what you mean........."Your Government"

2.) Agreed we should not be the democracy police.

3.) It has to be much deeper than going to Iraq for oil. We can get oil of our coast line, Alaska, for that matter, if we are going to invade countries for the sake of oil, why not in our own hemisphere?
 
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cibai said:
Because those are "strategic reserves." and I am a U.K. citizen.
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1.) I think we might be talking about two different things........

I agree we should find alternative fuel sources but we have oil in Alaska and Gulf of Mexico that have yet to fully tapped in to. Whether it be refineries or environmental concerns.

The strategic fuel reserve stored at four sites on the Gulf of Mexico, each located near a major center of petrochemical refining and processing.

Bryan Mound - located near Freeport, Texas. Has a capacity of 226 million barrels.

Big Hill - located near Winnie, Texas. Has a capacity of 160 million barrels.

West Hackberry - located near Lake Charles, Louisiana. Has a capacity of 219 million barrels.

Bayou Choctaw - located near Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Has a capacity of 72 million barrels.

Again, going to Iraq had to be for more than oil.

Why not invade Venezuela instead of Iraq? I understand the "threat" was not there, but operating on the assumption Iraq was trumped up, why not trump up misinformation about Venezuela?
 
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cibai said:
There is one solution to this that no one seems to want to mention or talk about, which is that there is only one reason we even interact with these people, and it is the same way that we SUPPORT these people. Ask yourself this 1) what fuels this hatred. and 2) what is the one thing that is stopping us from just pulling out of the middle east all together? Why isn't your government having serious discussions about developing viable alternative energies? Because they have interests to protect, that is why. As a culture we are clinging to a model of energy supply that is based upon the expectation (or more realistically the coercion) of soverign nations to act against their own self interests. Why do you think Hugo Chávez has been so villified, because the leader of an oil rich nation decides to do what is best for that nation's interests. Think about where we would be right now if we had poured what a few hundred billion that we spent invading a country that actually had nothing to do with terrorism, or that posed to threat to us, instead into reaseach of alternate energies that would allow us to sever all connections to the middle east, and stop pretending like we are trying to be the democracy police (when in reality we are trying to be the oil market police, in the most undemocratic of ways).
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So, it is our gov'ts job to develop new energy sources? I always thought that belonged to the private sector. All that the latest 'oil crisis' has proven is that for years we have been able to purchase oil based products at a lower than market price. When people actually stop buying oil based products, due to the high prices, then the private sector will develop viable alternative energy sources. I would rather continue to buy oil from OPEC than have the U.S. Government come in and effectively socialize the energy industry in the United States.
 
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Do know seriously not think that it is precisely the interests of the private sector that are preventing development of new alternatives? Do you not think it is the influence over the United States government that the private sector wields that is influencing our foreign policy? because it certainly isnt in the best interest of US citizens.
 
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cibai said:
Do know seriously not think that it is precisely the interests of the private sector that are preventing development of new alternatives? Do you not think it is the influence over the United States government that the private sector wields that is influencing our foreign policy? because it certainly isnt in the best interest of US citizens.
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Do you honestly believe that I care about alternative fuel sources? Right now, you can travel 25 miles in a car for cheaper than you can drink a coffee at Starbuck's. Yet, people happily flock to Starbuck's to get their coffee, everyday! Then they tell the gov't that something needs to be done about fuel. It truly is laughable.

What "certainly isnt (sic) in the best interest of US citizens (sic)"? How is the average U.S. Citizen being affected by Operation Iraqi Freedom? Last time I checked, our military was a volunteer military. Also, in direct contrast to what Senator Kerry feels about an all volunteer force (brown and poor), more than half of all enlistee's come from homes which bring in $40,000 or more in income each year (not to include Officers.) Also, African-Americans are underrepresented in the enlisted ranks of the Armed Forces at the same rate that Caucasians are underrepresented in the enlisted ranks (0.95).

Our economy is better now than it was under Clinton. The only "problem" our involvement in Iraq seems to be creating for the "average American Citizen" is an increasing National Debt. However, it is still far lower than the U.K.'s and/or any other European nation.

So, please, explain to me how our foreign policy is hurting the average U.S. Citizen???
 
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[sic] not (sic).

Last time I checked the majority of Anti-Americanism isn't fueled but maintaining coffee supply and trade routes. And as far as the economy goes I would like to see some actual reliable stats on that one, but regardless, I would like to see the economy and a country sustain itself on a war that costs an average of 7.4 Millon dollars per hour. And I am not surprised that a GOPer doesnt care about alternative fuel, because republican Americans have sold their dear nationalism to the highest bidder, who appears to be BIG OIL. But that's fine if you don't care, but at least you realize soldiers are dying to keep gas cheeper than starbucks, and not for any form of Democracy, and that the reason the middle east hates us isnt because they "hate freedom," but because they hate American and Globalist (one and the same) interests meddling in how their countries wealth and natural resources should be divided, even making ultimate decisions about who is fit to lead their countries (and more importatly deciding who is not), all based on American and western OIL interests.
 
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And I am not surprised that a GOPer doesnt care about alternative fuel, because republican Americans have sold their dear nationalism to the highest bidder, who appears to be BIG OIL.
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Oh come on, you know as well as I do that whether or not your a republican, democrat or indy has nothing to who is in control of big oil.

All have interests and reap the benefits of big oil.

Again, Iraq has to be for more than oil.

Also, what do we do about capitialsm?
 
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One could make the argument for the military industrial complex. I would think it would be much easier to argue this theory than oil.

Iron Triangle-institutionalized collusion among defense contractors (Industry), The Pentagon (Military), and the United States Government (Congress, Executive Branch) as a cartel that works against public interest, primary motivation is profiteering.

Hey, you should know a lot about (MIC), Britain and France popularized it.

Oil may be a component of (MIC) but it is not the primary concern.
 
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cibai said:
[sic] not (sic).

Last time I checked the majority of Anti-Americanism isn't fueled but maintaining coffee supply and trade routes. And as far as the economy goes I would like to see some actual reliable stats on that one, but regardless, I would like to see the economy and a country sustain itself on a war that costs an average of 7.4 Millon dollars per hour. And I am not surprised that a GOPer doesnt care about alternative fuel, because republican Americans have sold their dear nationalism to the highest bidder, who appears to be BIG OIL. But that's fine if you don't care, but at least you realize soldiers are dying to keep gas cheeper than starbucks, and not for any form of Democracy, and that the reason the middle east hates us isnt because they "hate freedom," but because they hate American and Globalist (one and the same) interests meddling in how their countries wealth and natural resources should be divided, even making ultimate decisions about who is fit to lead their countries (and more importatly deciding who is not), all based on American and western OIL interests.
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We have sustained ourselves so far on a war that costs 7.4 million per hour. In fact, our economy has actually become much healthier since March, 2003.

Also, I am not a "GOPer." If you actually read many of my posts, you would see that I am a stated Libertarian who is actually voting for a Democrat in my state of record's Senate race. So, there goes your "towing the party line" argument.

I enjoyed your last thought on the issue...Anti-globalist? Who knew??? God forbid the human race actually progresses with technology. If you knew anything about the extremists Muslims, you would understand that this latest Jihad is about controlling their own people. The West is instituting greater technology in Muslim countries, which of course reduces the moral power and control that Fundamental Islam currently holds in the Arab world.
 
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therealUT said:
We have sustained ourselves so far on a war that costs 7.4 million per hour. In fact, our economy has actually become much healthier since March, 2003.

Also, I am not a "GOPer." If you actually read many of my posts, you would see that I am a stated Libertarian who is actually voting for a Democrat in my state of record's Senate race. So, there goes your "towing the party line" argument.

I enjoyed your last thought on the issue...Anti-globalist? Who knew??? God forbid the human race actually progresses with technology. If you knew anything about the extremists Muslims, you would understand that this latest Jihad is about controlling their own people. The West is instituting greater technology in Muslim countries, which of course reduces the moral power and control that Fundamental Islam currently holds in the Arab world.
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Your not a Republican?

:no: :cray: :confused: :gone:
 
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I know your not a Republican............having fun........

Don't feel bad, I am voting for a Libertarian for Governor.

Legalized gambling in Ohio............

Smoking ban............
 
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therealUT said:
We have sustained ourselves so far on a war that costs 7.4 million per hour. In fact, our economy has actually become much healthier since March, 2003.

Also, I am not a "GOPer." If you actually read many of my posts, you would see that I am a stated Libertarian who is actually voting for a Democrat in my state of record's Senate race. So, there goes your "towing the party line" argument.

I enjoyed your last thought on the issue...Anti-globalist? Who knew??? God forbid the human race actually progresses with technology. If you knew anything about the extremists Muslims, you would understand that this latest Jihad is about controlling their own people. The West is instituting greater technology in Muslim countries, which of course reduces the moral power and control that Fundamental Islam currently holds in the Arab world.
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Im sorry, your mistaking progress in technology from Progress. What has technology done for western culture other than destroy it.
 
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