Dobbs in the NFL

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Derek Carr was not the face of college football. Sheesh some of you are thick. Everyone who gets drafted into the NFL has a great college career. What I'm saying is no one had Derek Carr as a surefire elite NFL QB. If they did, he wouldn't have fallen to the second round. Everyone proclaimed Andrew Luck the best QB prospect since John Elway. And so far he's been anything but that.

I expect Watson to have an epic Vince Young like performance Monday in the national title game against Alabama once again. And once again the hype train will be off the hook for him. He'll probably be taken 1st overall and have expectations to be an elite NFL QB. Those guys typically don't live up to that hype.

Typically the elite NFL guys have college careers like Dobbs. Very good but never really the guy who all of college football is talking about.
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All I have to say is wow.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Antonio Callaway is the best WR in college football going into 2017. He's special and will dominate in the NFL. He just needs to stay out of trouble.
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But comparing him to Isaac Bruce is just plain innacurate. Bruce was known for his intangibles, not his athleticism. I think you're just throwing names on the board.

You're comparing guys to guys with almost the opposite skill sets.

Are you going to tell me that Drew Richmond is the next Orlando Pace, or Kahil McKenzie is the next Warren Sapp?
 
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#179
#179
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Typically the elite NFL guys have college careers like Dobbs. Very good but never really the guy who all of college football is talking about.
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Interesting.

Then, fortunately we lost to sc and vandy, and tamu, otherwise, and didn't get a 2nd chance at bama in ATL. IE, good thing Dobbs didn't go 15-0/14-1 with 4500 yrds, like you initially projected? Oh, and I forgot about the heisman / good thing that didn't pan out?
 
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bamawriter said:
But UT's offensive line improved, at least marginally, each year. Kamara and Kelly certainly had no trouble running behind it this year.

Yet, despite that improvement, Hurd's ypc dropped each year. And in terms of hitting the hole, Hurd became less and less explosive each year.

In 2014, 51% of Hurd's carries went for 3 yards or less.
In 2015, 57%.
In 2016, 59%. Out of 122 carries, only 51 went for 4 yards or more.

Hurd is just a guy. Decent back. Nothing more.
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It totally turns out this is the truth. If your numbers are what they say you are, then it is what it is.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You may have never said he was slow as molasses but you were on the record saying he would run a slow time. I remember it was in the thread on Vols at the combine last year.

I had no opinion on his speed so I stayed out of it. But his 4.48 was a pleasant surprise to me.

You're so good at digging up my posts, remember your own as well.
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You can throw crap out all you want, it's what you do. I didn't speculate on what type of 40 time North would post, that's your arena. If anything I, like most everybody else, may have refuted your claim that he'd run a sub 4 second 40 and/or run the fastest 40 yard dash in recorded human history.

No, keep deflecting. Bottom line here is, you said he'd definitely go within the first 4 rounds (after earlier saying he'd never declare early because he wanted to go to law school) and everybody else said no way....6th or 7th round or not drafted at all.......who was right?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Peyton made the playoffs consistently with no help. Aaron Rodgers is in the playoffs with a WR playing RB. Elite generational QBs create their own help.

I'm not saying Luck is a bad QB. He's just overrated. Nowhere close to an elite QB.

IMO Derek Carr (a guy with an unremarkable college career) is already better than him. He's a guy who looks like the elite generational talent. Not Andrew Luck. Similarly its Russell Wilson that looks like the elite generational QB rather than heisman and national title winner Cam Newton.

The best pro QBs are rarely the guys who get all the hype in college. They're typically the overlooked guys.
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Derek Carr had an "unremarkable college career".....just under 13,000 yards and 113 touchdown passes, including a senior season of 5000 yards passing and 50 td passes vs only 8 interceptions is "unremarkable"??? Jeez.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Alabama has more average to above average NFL players on their roster than anyone else. That is why they succeed. Its more their depth than top line talent.

I don't see any elite NFL players starting on the 2016 Alabama team. The guy with the highest pro potential IMO is CB Marlon Humphrey. But I need to see alot more out of him. On offense they have no future NFL studs. Only guy who I like is WR Calvin Ridley. But like Humphrey I need to see more from him. Guys like Jonathan Allen that get alot of hype are simply average NFL players. They are not superstars. My list up there is of guys I believe will be superstars.

My concern with Watson is I don't trust his durability. He takes alot of big shots. Already has an ACL injury in his past. And almost ever game I see him adjusting that knew brace.

Plus tell me the last time a QB with big time success in college where he was a heisman finalist and playing for national titles actually lived up to the hype and had success in the NFL? Typically its the guys who are overlooked in college like Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott that have the great NFL careers versus the guys like RG3 and Andrew Luck that have all the college hype.

Josh Dobbs will be in the NFL what people think Watson will be.
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Allen will be a better pro than Barnette or Garrett. Rueben Foster will be an excellent pro. As to the second point, ever hear of a guy named Manning, or Staubach? How about Steve Young, Aikman, or Elway, just to name a couple.

I can drop the mic now...
 
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Burger said:
But comparing him to Isaac Bruce is just plain innacurate. Bruce was known for his intangibles, not his athleticism. I think you're just throwing names on the board.

You're comparing guys to guys with almost the opposite skill sets.

Are you going to tell me that Drew Richmond is the next Orlando Pace, or Kahil McKenzie is the next Warren Sapp?
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No. Richmond is just plain garbage and I need to see Kahlil improve before comparing him to anyone in the NFL.

Antonio Callaway looks, moves, and plays similar to Isaac Bruce. That's who I see when I watch his tape.

We'll see in due time if that comp is accurate.
 
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KBVol said:
Derek Carr had an "unremarkable college career".....just under 13,000 yards and 113 touchdown passes, including a senior season of 5000 yards passing and 50 td passes vs only 8 interceptions is "unremarkable"??? Jeez.
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Luke Falk and Patrick Mahomes put up similar gaudy numbers in air raid offenses as well. No one is talking about them as the best player in college football. No one is talking about them as heisman finalists. Nobody outside of hard-core college football fans know their names. That is what I meant by unremarkable. Dobbs, similarly, has had an unremarkable college career. He's a Tennessee legend but he's not a SEC or college football legend.

My point is simply that the biggest stars in college rarely become the biggest stars in the NFL. Typically the guys who become NFL stars are guys like Derek Carr who the public at large doesn't know. The guy who doesn't have features about him on ESPN. The guy who isn't the topic of conversation all season like Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson.

There is a reason Carr went in the 2nd round of a draft that saw 3 QBs selected in the 1st round (Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgewater). He was not a star in college. He was just another good QB putting up big stats in a lower level conference. Carr is right now a bigger star in the NFL than he was in college. Maybe You can understand that a little more clearly.
 
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Nasavol said:
Allen will be a better pro than Barnette or Garrett. Rueben Foster will be an excellent pro. As to the second point, ever hear of a guy named Manning, or Staubach? How about Steve Young, Aikman, or Elway, just to name a couple.

I can drop the mic now...
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Allen is mediocre. He'll be another in the long line of Alabama busts in the NFL.

The best defensive lineman in the 2017 draft is:

1. Myles Garrett
2. Solomon Thomas
3. Charles Harris

Jonathan Allen isn't even a first round prospect in my book.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. Richmond is just plain garbage and I need to see Kahlil improve before comparing him to anyone in the NFL.

Antonio Callaway looks, moves, and plays similar to Isaac Bruce. That's who I see when I watch his tape.

We'll see in due time if that comp is accurate.
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Isaac Bruce was known for extensively studying the game and having the intangibles. That's why he was so good. He ran great routes and has great awareness of the field.
 
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bamawriter said:
Your book comes with crayons.
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I'll take Solomon Thomas over him anyday as my 3-4 DE. That kid has JJ Watt potential.

Jonathan Allen has no potential. He's already tapped out and about as good as he'll ever be. He's gonna be just an average player in the NFL. Nothing special about him.
 
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Burger said:
Isaac Bruce was known for extensively studying the game and having the intangibles. That's why he was so good. He ran great routes and has great awareness of the field.
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Unfortunately I don't know these guys personally so all I can go on is the film. And on video, Antonio Callaway looks like a clone of Isaac Bruce. IMO he's been the best WR not named Corey Davis in college football the last 2 years.
 
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