Dissecting the current Tennessee fanbase

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It appears to me that there seem to 3 camps right now.

First, there are those who are "all-in" with Kiffin, agreeing with most any move or comment he makes, and willing to defend him to the end.:clapping: This group is a hefty majority, probably in the range of 75% or so.

Second is the group who are already solidly against Kiffin. He's too young, or too unproven, or not a UT legacy, or whatever reason.:furious3: No matter what happens, this group believes it is in the best interests of UT that his stint is short. At this point, this group is only comprised of about 10%, I'd say.

Then there is my group. The wise and patient group. We will not make a hasty final judgement due to some valid early concerns, but we will not simply vomit orange koolaid in defense of the new HC, either.:question: We tend to err on the side of caution, and follow the mantra of Missouri: Show Me. About 15%, I'd guess, and many are quiet.

By the end of 2009, one of these groups will see a significant deterioration among it's membership. I'll leave that up to you to figure out.
 
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I'm more in the "he's had to recruit and hire coaches up to this point and he's done both things really well-Yeehaw-let's wait until he's a coached some games" camp.
 
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Duckhook said:
It appears to me that there seem to 3 camps right now.

First, there are those who are "all-in" with Kiffin, agreeing with most any move or comment he makes, and willing to defend him to the end.:clapping: This group is a hefty majority, probably in the range of 75% or so.

Second is the group who are already solidly against Kiffin. He's too young, or too unproven, or not a UT legacy, or whatever reason.:furious3: No matter what happens, this group believes it is in the best interests of UT that his stint is short. At this point, this group is only comprised of about 10%, I'd say.

Then there is my group. The wise and patient group. We will not make a hasty final judgement due to some valid early concerns, but we will not simply vomit orange koolaid in defense of the new HC, either.:question: We tend to err on the side of caution, and follow the mantra of Missouri: Show Me. About 15%, I'd guess, and many are quiet.

By the end of 2009, one of these groups will see a significant deterioration among it's membership. I'll leave that up to you to figure out.
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If the group that includes you is the "wise" one, Tennessee has the stupidest fan base in the history of sports.
 
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Duckhook said:
It appears to me that there seem to 3 camps right now.

First, there are those who are "all-in" with Kiffin, agreeing with most any move or comment he makes, and willing to defend him to the end.:clapping: This group is a hefty majority, probably in the range of 75% or so.

Second is the group who are already solidly against Kiffin. He's too young, or too unproven, or not a UT legacy, or whatever reason.:furious3: No matter what happens, this group believes it is in the best interests of UT that his stint is short. At this point, this group is only comprised of about 10%, I'd say.

Then there is my group. The wise and patient group. We will not make a hasty final judgement due to some valid early concerns, but we will not simply vomit orange koolaid in defense of the new HC, either.:question: We tend to err on the side of caution, and follow the mantra of Missouri: Show Me. About 15%, I'd guess, and many are quiet.

By the end of 2009, one of these groups will see a significant deterioration among it's membership. I'll leave that up to you to figure out.
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I am proud to be in the first group. :salute:
 
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lol@mygroup !

It is interesting though. Do you think the fanbase would be this divided without the internet? Are other schools this split on coaches/players/etc.?
 
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I posted this on another thread but I think it is probably more aappropriate here.

I just do not understand all the criticism and bashing of Coach Kiffin. What am I missing? While I personally feel coach Fulmer was an excellent coach when he took over the Tennessee program and his record of accomplishments speaks for itself. The program was obviously on the decline under his direction and Tennessee needed to make a move to stay completive with the changes being made by other SEC teams. Rich at UG, Spurrier at SC, Miles at LSU, Urban at UF and Saban at UA among others. I think it should have been obvious to anyone looking objectively at the program it was time for a change. I know some will argue coach Kiffin has not won a single game as head coach as the college level so what qualifies him to be the head coach at Tennessee. That is a hard criticism to debate. So let’s just judge him on what he has done to date as head coach at UT.

• Cleaned up the program by making the privilege of playing football difficult enough that only the young men with both the physical and mental stamina to play the game at a completive level in SEC are here. The 11 others have chosen to pursue other avenues.
• He came into the program in the last stage of the 2009 recruiting process and closed with a top 10 recruiting class. In fact he was number 5 if you look at the quality of player. How many of the other head coaching candidates do you think would have had this kind of success.
• He compiled one of the top 5 coaching / recruiting coaching staff in the country. Again how many of the other head coaching candidates would have been able to accomplish this.
• He has created a level of excitement and interest in Tennessee football which surpasses anything I have seen surrounding the university football program sense coach Majors coming off his national championship at Pit took over the team.
• He has certainly raised the bar with respect to the work ethic of everyone associated with the program.
I often like to compare football recruiting to war. The longer you wait to counter attack the enemy the more time the enemy has to build his forces to fight the next battle. With the level of completion in the SEC and the general improvement of teams around the country the longer Tennessee waited to rebuild the program the more difficult the task will be to complete

While some of you continue to remain skeptical about coach Kiffins ability I feel as far as what he has been able to accomplish thus far he gets an A on my report card. I am looking forward to next season. If coach Kiffin , staff and players can translate the quality of coaching activities they have demonstrated to date on to the playing field there are going to be a lot of unhappy fans around the SEC when its time for them to play Tennessee. Go Vols. I promise not to talk about this again until the team take the field.
 
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Miavol said:
I posted this on another thread but I think it is probably more aappropriate here.

I just do not understand all the criticism and bashing of Coach Kiffin. What am I missing? While I personally feel coach Fulmer was an excellent coach when he took over the Tennessee program and his record of accomplishments speaks for itself. The program was obviously on the decline under his direction and Tennessee needed to make a move to stay completive with the changes being made by other SEC teams. Rich at UG, Spurrier at SC, Miles at LSU, Urban at UF and Saban at UA among others. I think it should have been obvious to anyone looking objectively at the program it was time for a change. I know some will argue coach Kiffin has not won a single game as head coach as the college level so what qualifies him to be the head coach at Tennessee. That is a hard criticism to debate. So let’s just judge him on what he has done to date as head coach at UT.

• Cleaned up the program by making the privilege of playing football difficult enough that only the young men with both the physical and mental stamina to play the game at a completive level in SEC are here. The 11 others have chosen to pursue other avenues.
• He came into the program in the last stage of the 2009 recruiting process and closed with a top 10 recruiting class. In fact he was number 5 if you look at the quality of player. How many of the other head coaching candidates do you think would have had this kind of success.
• He compiled one of the top 5 coaching / recruiting coaching staff in the country. Again how many of the other head coaching candidates would have been able to accomplish this.
• He has created a level of excitement and interest in Tennessee football which surpasses anything I have seen surrounding the university football program sense coach Majors coming off his national championship at Pit took over the team.
• He has certainly raised the bar with respect to the work ethic of everyone associated with the program.
I often like to compare football recruiting to war. The longer you wait to counter attack the enemy the more time the enemy has to build his forces to fight the next battle. With the level of completion in the SEC and the general improvement of teams around the country the longer Tennessee waited to rebuild the program the more difficult the task will be to complete

While some of you continue to remain skeptical about coach Kiffins ability I feel as far as what he has been able to accomplish thus far he gets an A on my report card. I am looking forward to next season. If coach Kiffin , staff and players can translate the quality of coaching activities they have demonstrated to date on to the playing field there are going to be a lot of unhappy fans around the SEC when its time for them to play Tennessee. Go Vols. I promise not to talk about this again until the team take the field.
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Nicely done:rock:
 
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Whatever group you're in, or how you feel about those in the others, I continue to believe this 100%.... Kiffin making it to 2012 will depend primarily on his performance in these dozen games:

Florida 09,10,11
UGA 09,10,11
Bama 09,10,11
Aub 09
LSU 10,11

He must go about .500 in these contests to make any sort of move among the SEC. Without it, you're just looking at more 4-4 and 5-3 type seasons. Just the facts, folks. I am ready to see what he can do.
 
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Duckhook said:
Junior High cool. Typical response of one who has no argument.
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As if you do. You aren't wise. You're gutless. You lack the confidence in your own ability to anlayze the situation. Thus, you sit on the fence so you can jump in later and pretend to be smart. Of course, pretending is the only way you could ever claim to be smart. The posivols and 5150s of the world are more worthwhile than milquetoast empty vessels like you. At least they have the stones to pick a side.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As if you do. You aren't wise. You're gutless. You lack the confidence in your own ability to anlayze the situation. Thus, you sit on the fence so you can jump in later and pretend to be smart. Of course, pretending is the only way you could ever claim to be smart. The posivols and 5150s of the world are more worthwhile than milquetoast empty vessels like you. At least they have the stones to pick a side.
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:salute::salute:
 
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hatvol96 said:
As if you do. You aren't wise. You're gutless. You lack the confidence in your own ability to anlayze the situation. Thus, you sit on the fence so you can jump in later and pretend to be smart. Of course, pretending is the only way you could ever claim to be smart. The posivols and 5150s of the world are more worthwhile than milquetoast empty vessels like you. At least they have the stones to pick a side.
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How was this for "analyzing the situation", loudmouth?

Whatever group you're in, or how you feel about those in the others, I continue to believe this 100%.... Kiffin making it to 2012 will depend primarily on his performance in these dozen games:

Florida 09,10,11
UGA 09,10,11
Bama 09,10,11
Aub 09
LSU 10,11

He must go about .500 in these contests to make any sort of move among the SEC. Without it, you're just looking at more 4-4 and 5-3 type seasons. Just the facts, folks. I am ready to see what he can do.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
 
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Now, let's hear your intelligent, in-depth, hard-hitting analysis of the situation, hat. We're waiting for some real wisdom...or will we just get more wit?
 
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Duckhook said:
How was this for "analyzing the situation", loudmouth?

Whatever group you're in, or how you feel about those in the others, I continue to believe this 100%.... Kiffin making it to 2012 will depend primarily on his performance in these dozen games:

Florida 09,10,11
UGA 09,10,11
Bama 09,10,11
Aub 09
LSU 10,11

He must go about .500 in these contests to make any sort of move among the SEC. Without it, you're just looking at more 4-4 and 5-3 type seasons. Just the facts, folks. I am ready to see what he can do.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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Maybe you should forward this to CLK I don't think he knows yet.
 
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Kiffin has done exactly everything he said he'd do so far.

Great coaching staff? Yes.

Great recruiting class? On paper yes (We'll see in a year or two)

Put UT in the media? Yes.

I'll let him coach games before I call him the next great thing. However, he hasn't let any reasonable fan down yet.

If I had to bet, he'll be just fine. We'll see
 
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Duckhook said:
How was this for "analyzing the situation", loudmouth?

Whatever group you're in, or how you feel about those in the others, I continue to believe this 100%.... Kiffin making it to 2012 will depend primarily on his performance in these dozen games:

Florida 09,10,11
UGA 09,10,11
Bama 09,10,11
Aub 09
LSU 10,11

He must go about .500 in these contests to make any sort of move among the SEC. Without it, you're just looking at more 4-4 and 5-3 type seasons. Just the facts, folks. I am ready to see what he can do.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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Hard hitting "analysis." A Tennessee coach needs to be competitive against the top half of the conference to maintain employment. What a novel concept. Nobody ever thought of that before. Groundbreaking. I see now why you call yourself "wise."
 
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When did this become such a snipey board? I don't post here that often but I lurk a lot. I don't remember it being so personal and contentious before. Maybe I'm behind the times. :ermm:
 
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hatvol96 said:
Hard hitting "analysis." A Tennessee coach needs to be competitive against the top half of the conference to maintain employment. What a novel concept. Nobody ever thought of that before. Groundbreaking. I see now why you call yourself "wise."
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So, why don't you argue something? Do you believe Kiffin can do this, or not? Will he go .500 or better in these games, bringing about a shift of power in the SEC? Give a prediction, or stay on the fence with me. Knowing that as of today every one of those rosters except Aub's has twice the number of elite playmakers and linemen, and will almost certainly have more among the upperclasses in the coming 3 years, I think I will remain right where I am on the entire issue....cautious optimism. If you would rather blowhard like most of the rest around here while trying to shout-down anyone who steps out of the Kiffin line, then knock yo-self out, kid.
 
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Tennessee, despite a pretty bad talent deficit, will win 7-8 games in the regular season this year. Can't see any scenario under which they win more than 9 or fewer than 6.

In the offseason, the staff, primarily Orgeron and Wilson, will mine their junior college connections to find immediate help for both lines. Tennessee will sign two quality QB recruits, one of whom will eventually take the starting job from NS, either in fall camp or early in the season.

The schedule in '10 will give Kiffin a shot at his first real signature win, with Florida and Alabama both in Knoxville. He'll pick at least one of them off. The Vols are still a bit callow, so I'll call it 9 wins in the regular season.

Another top 10 recruiting class in the offseason.

The schedule in '11 will mask the fact that Tennesse is on the cusp of being a top 5 team. Call it another 9 win regular season, but anyone with half a brain sees where it is going.

Another top 10 recruiting class in the offseason.

Tennessee goes 11-1 in the regular season in '12, wins the SEC title, then we see where the chips fall as to whether or not there are two undefeated teams elsewhere in BCS leagues.

How's that for taking a position? A little more solid than "he needs to be competitive against good teams" don't you think?
 
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Duckhook said:
Whatever group you're in, or how you feel about those in the others, I continue to believe this 100%.... Kiffin making it to 2012 will depend primarily on his performance in these dozen games:

Florida 09,10,11
UGA 09,10,11
Bama 09,10,11
Aub 09
LSU 10,11

He must go about .500 in these contests to make any sort of move among the SEC. Without it, you're just looking at more 4-4 and 5-3 type seasons. Just the facts, folks. I am ready to see what he can do.
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For those interested in a continued analysis of the situation from a factual standpoint, it is worth noting that 11 of the 12 games listed above will come against teams that currently have over 55 players on their rosters who were 4 or 5 star recruits. Florida, Bama, and LSU all over 60. Most likely, these programs will continue to reload and will have stacked rosters of upperclassmen in 2010 and 11. In the meantime, I fully expect Kiffin to raise the bar of talent quickly, but most of it will be freshmen and sophomores in those years, and the OL and DL will be shaky at best. What's the point? The point is that this process will not be automatic. It won't be easy. It will most likely be painful at times, particularly in 2009 and 2010. Those not willing to comprehend this are setting themselves up for major disappointment.

For those preferring the witty one-liner, I'm sure hat will be around shortly.:popcorn:
 
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hatvol96 said:
Tennessee, despite a pretty bad talent deficit, will win 7-8 games in the regular season this year. Can't see any scenario under which they win more than 9 or fewer than 6.

In the offseason, the staff, primarily Orgeron and Wilson, will mine their junior college connections to find immediate help for both lines. Tennessee will sign two quality QB recruits, one of whom will eventually take the starting job from NS, either in fall camp or early in the season.

The schedule in '10 will give Kiffin a shot at his first real signature win, with Florida and Alabama both in Knoxville. He'll pick at least one of them off. The Vols are still a bit callow, so I'll call it 9 wins in the regular season.

Another top 10 recruiting class in the offseason.

The schedule in '11 will mask the fact that Tennesse is on the cusp of being a top 5 team. Call it another 9 win regular season, but anyone with half a brain sees where it is going.

Another top 10 recruiting class in the offseason.

Tennessee goes 11-1 in the regular season in '12, wins the SEC title, then we see where the chips fall as to whether or not there are two undefeated teams elsewhere in BCS leagues.

How's that for taking a position? A little more solid than "he needs to be competitive against good teams" don't you think?
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Interesting choice of words. Before the '98 season I was listening to the radio and Jack Eaton (a local sports personality) was on with the other radio geeks and they were discussing the upcoming football season. He was saying the Vols were gonna have a good team so I called in and told him "based on your confidence in the Vols I will agree and go so far to say that the Vols will win all of their regular season games, go on to win the SEC title and and move on to the national championship game where the chips will fall as they may".
 
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