Discipline Comes To The Hill

#101
#101
UT IE 95 said:
Just offering a suggestion so you don't turn into one of the dolt's on this board known for turning every thread into the same topic.

You are free to do whatever you want pal.
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UT IE 95 said:
I expect the team to practice and do conditioning work. I'd rather hear about a current player taking a leadership role in the rank and file.

Practice, conditioning, arrests, GPA's, etc are all fine and dandy. Real discipline is levied by your peers, and that's what this team has been missing for going on 5 years.
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You are the one who started talking about the past 5 years and the reason Fulmer came up.
 
#102
#102
UT IE 95 said:
Feel free to weigh in on how Kiffin is restoring discipline. Is it just wind sprints and early morning workouts? Is he bringing in a "tougher" brand of player?
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Keeping players off of the police blotter for 8 months might have something to do with it. Or checking in on classrooms to make sure players are going to class.
 
#103
#103
UT IE 95 said:
Pre 2001 players knew they had to face someone in the locker room if they screwed up.

Is Kiffin going to be the enforcer on this team? When Oku is out after the Ohio game this season - is he a) playing it straight so Kiffin is happy, b) playing it straight because one of his teammates might see him get out of line, or c) partying like a rock star because he can.
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All that peer pressure in Gainesville is really keeping the team in line and keeping them from any arrests. And all that partying and arrests are really hurting them on the field.
 
#107
#107
JZVOL said:
All that peer pressure in Gainesville is really keeping the team in line and keeping them from any arrests. And all that partying and arrests are really hurting them on the field.
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So now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing since you don't see a relationship between discipline and success.
 
#108
#108
UT IE 95 said:
What does a coach for 17 years have to do with players that turnover every 2-5 years? As I previously posted, Fulmer brought out the best in his players from the beginning through about 01. He put the peer leaders in charge and they were the enforcers. After 01 for some reason he stopped that and the inmates ran the asylum. There hasn't been a "locker room leader" in a long time. That let the Daniel Brooks' and the Britton Colquitt's of the team run wild.

If Kiffin and Co. are going to be the enforcers, good luck. But looking across the college landscape there are countless examples of the best teams having discipline being lead by a peer on the field.
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Do you really not understand that players take on the persona of their coaches? When young men see strong discipline and strong leadership they have a tendency to step up and be that leader if it's in them. That is EXACTLY how the military does it and that is EXACTLY how teams do it.
 
#109
#109
VolBeef88 said:
Do you really not understand that players take on the persona of their coaches? When young men see strong discipline and strong leadership they have a tendency to step up and be that leader if it's in them. That is EXACTLY how the military does it and that is EXACTLY how teams do it.
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To a certain extent I agree. You telling me UF has the persona of Meyer? You telling me Jimmy Johnson had a persona of showing up at a game wearing military fatigues?

Dominant leaders on a team have as much impact on the team persona as the coach.
 
#110
#110
UT IE 95 said:
To a certain extent I agree. You telling me UF has the persona of Meyer? You telling me Jimmy Johnson had a persona of showing up at a game wearing military fatigues?

Dominant leaders on a team have as much impact on the team persona as the coach.
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Damn right the Gator players have the same cockiness and confidence as Meyer. Damn right Jimmy Johnson knew and behind the scene encouraged it. Jimmy Johnson is one of the most confident men you will ever meet and his teams showed it. Leadership in young men must be ID by THE LEADER (head coach) and that leadership fostered. The same way it is in business or anything else. Kids dont just grow up knowing how to be leaders.
 
#111
#111
UT IE 95 said:
EB is a leader by example - but I've not heard of any stories of him chewing out guys. His peers respect him because of his play and his character. But they don't fear him.

I'm talking about the enforcer. We don't have that player that quiets the room when he walks in. Like a Thompson-Henderson type guy.
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EB is definitely an enforcer. A guy who can motivate just by his presence, without words is just as impressive as a guy who chews people out.

It sounds like your personal preference is a loud guy who calls people out. That doesn't always fit the personality and chemistry of every team.

If you are looking for someone like that then Montori Hughes sounds like your man. There are several articles about him being very vocal and calling out the defense because of being frustrated with getting beat by the offense.

Then again, some of those same articles have quotes from older guys saying that he needs to calm down a little. Everybody is different in what helps to motivate them.

I'm just enjoying seeing the discipline actually coming down from the top for once, myself. :hi:
 
#112
#112
UT IE 95 said:
What does a coach for 17 years have to do with players that turnover every 2-5 years? As I previously posted, Fulmer brought out the best in his players from the beginning through about 01. He put the peer leaders in charge and they were the enforcers. After 01 for some reason he stopped that and the inmates ran the asylum. There hasn't been a "locker room leader" in a long time. That let the Daniel Brooks' and the Britton Colquitt's of the team run wild.

If Kiffin and Co. are going to be the enforcers, good luck. But looking across the college landscape there are countless examples of the best teams having discipline being lead by a peer on the field.
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Name an example better than EB.

The best leaders don't have to scream at you for you to want to give your all for them. You just have to listen to the respect all UT's players have for EB to know who one of the leaders is.

I also hear our guys give a lot of respect to McCoy, D. Williams, Vlad, Wes Brown and a few others.

We have our share of leaders but they are adjusting to a new coaching staff and trying to earn their spots and might not feel it's there place to speak up right now.

The coaching staff made it clear who the team leader was going to be when they declared only one starting spot safe and started putting up billboards of him.
 
#113
#113
UT IE 95 said:
No, I just believe in keeping a thread on topic. This one is about how the current staff is bringing discipline back.

There are plenty of other threads to throw cheap shots at the previous coaching staff's short-falls. Find one and post all day about Fulmer being a crappy coach.
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Actually, the principal point of the thread is an indictment of the previous coaching staff so any comments about that are not off topic.

You really need to relax and not be so sensitive about any criticism of Fulmer. You sound like Vicky or one of the girls.

The team has moved past it and isn't bitter any more so maybe you should move on too and let people discuss Fulmer's performance how they please.

In fact, the players who loved Fulmer "like a father" are now realizing his shortcomings and are making comments that subtly show how incompetent Fulmer was on the fundamental aspects of being a coach at the end.
 
#114
#114
Has anyone ever heard what Edwards and Jackson did to get in the doghouse the other morning? I have looked everywhere but can't find anything about it? Thanks!
 
#117
#117
govols182 said:
If anyone knows it will be LWS.
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I heard Edwards was late for practice....assumed Jackson was something similiar.....although I would have personally done it to him for saying "Eric Berry is full of crap" to a reporter, who then wrote an article on Scout and named it that.....:crazy:

what a total tool (the writer is)......Jackson needs to be more careful what he says, that's why frosh's typically don't get to talk to the media......
 
#118
#118
tabrams said:
I heard Edwards was late for practice....assumed Jackson was something similiar.....although I would have personally done it to him for saying "Eric Berry is full of crap" to a reporter, who then wrote an article on Scout and named it that.....:crazy:

what a total tool (the writer is)......Jackson needs to be more careful what he says, that's why frosh's typically don't get to talk to the media......
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It's not an insult...read the article...not a big deal...
 
#119
#119
Interesting quotes by Eric Gordon... Gordon says discipline was key to picking UT GoVolsXtra

“You don’t want a coach that will let you get by with too much,” Gordon said, referring to Fulmer.

“I’m from Nashville so we hear a lot of stuff that goes on around here: a couple of guys that get arrested, failing drug tests in the past,” the former Hillsboro High School standout said. “My mom just didn’t want that for me.”

Yet it wasn’t patience that landed Gordon; it was a promise to run a disciplined program.

“I think he knew he needed it,” Kiffin said. “He was a guy that was behind (academically) that was going to have to do a lot of work to get eligible. I think he wanted an environment that was going to be very disciplined to come into.

“Sometimes when you know that you’re not the most disciplined — it’s hard to admit it — but you draw towards that discipline because you know you need it.”

Gordon and his mother couldn’t have agreed more.

“She didn’t want me to get into trouble,” he said. “These coaches, they not having any of that.”

I wonder why he's talking about the head coaches and not some enforcers?
 
#120
#120
Those are interesting considering some quotes from a year ago....News Sentinel Top 10 in Tennessee, No. 6: Eric Gordon of Hillsboro Knoxville News Sentinel

Gordon attended a football camp at Alabama and visited UT shortly after the Vols' football camp in June. Does that mean the Tide and Vols are secret leaders?

"They're the closest schools," Gordon said. "I can drive that in no time."

Alabama's coaches have already made an impression, led by head coach Nick Saban.

"I definitely think they are great coaches, being in the (National Football) League all those years," Gordon said.

Coaches recruiting against Alabama will surely bring up the Tide's recent off-field issues, which include double-digit brushes with the law in the past year. Gordon said he's not concerned.

"That isn't a problem," he said. "You can get in trouble anywhere."

As for UT, Gordon said, "Another big school. Being in state gives them a little boost."
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#121
#121
Who says you have to mess up. Back in my day of tyrant HS football coaches, they did stuff like that for fun just to see if they could get you to buckle under and get your name written on the yellow note pad. (that meant your career was over).
 
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