Disappointed with Kiffin’s decision.

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volfan2024

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Not implying Janzen is guilty, but having worked with troubled youth that age, I’ve seen poor kids locked away several years for less, non-violent crimes. JJ certainly should not be playing this year. He should be on some form of probation at least for the failed drug test, if not already, staying clean and out of trouble until next season, then be allowed to play again. He probably should be placed in some kind of drug rehab program as well. Not because his presence on the field may mean millions of dollars to the university in a better bowl appearance. It’s better to be safe and not be totally gullible in believing everything that happened that night was coincidental. Risky behavior deserves consequences.

Utfantilidie
 
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How do you know he failed a drug test? Just because Jimmy Hymans said it? Rehab? Are you kidding? I think you should leave the decision to the coaches on this one buddy who actually knows what is going on instead of speculating facts based upon rumors.
utfantilidie said:
Not implying Janzen is guilty, but having worked with troubled youth that age, I’ve seen poor kids locked away several years for less, non-violent crimes. JJ certainly should not be playing this year. He should be on some form of probation at least for the failed drug test, if not already, staying clean and out of trouble until next season, then be allowed to play again. He probably should be placed in some kind of drug rehab program as well. Not because his presence on the field may mean millions of dollars to the university in a better bowl appearance. It’s better to be safe and not be totally gullible in believing everything that happened that night was coincidental. Risky behavior deserves consequences.

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I am disappointed in utfantilidie’s judgmental nature based upon his limited knowledge of the facts and his personal biases.
 
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I'll have to trust Kiffin's decision on this. We fans don't know exactly what he made his decision on, or all the facts in the case. I am sure CLK would have him off the team if he felt JJ had no redeeming qualities, or if he had participated in the robbery. He may already be on probation, and if he crosses the line one more time, he'll probably be gone.
 
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He was suspended for 3 games for the drugs and being in the wrong place. I work with young adults as well, and it can do more damage to this generation to take what they love completely away from them. They have to understand there are consequences, but by taking away something they love it has the opposite effect from motivation. I am willing to see this one play out. In fact, I was proud that he was reinstated when the charges were dropped instead of the university going overboard when an 18 yr old was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
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I have no personal or inside information to what went on with JJ, this staff does, I am sure they are making the best decision they can for him. I do not know if you have additional information or not but if you do then you should post that as well, as you always post what you believe about Coach K and his staff.
 
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I think that your opinion is jaded or influenced by your experiences.

My jaded and influenced opinion is that the truth is whatever those in power can shape, dictate, manipulate and spoon to the masses.
 
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Im really tired of reading about drugs and Janzen in the same sentence. NONE of you know that he failed a drug test. If you do know this, show me the proof, and I will apologize.
Secondly, how are you going to say this man she be suspended for the year after he was cleared of all charges?
I guess we could go around penalizing people for things they did not do. I don't think it will render a successful program.
 
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Time will tell whether CLK made the right decision.

For now I will trust him because he knows more about the situation than I do.
 
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If the OP has worked with troubled youth... Then he should most certainly agree that there are times when kids get in the wrong place at the wrong time.

He also should understand that if the authorities say the kid did nothing wrong, then there is no use in a punishment from his coach.

That's all assuming he is a halfway decent employee.
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orangeblooded2 said:
I think that your opinion is jaded or influenced by your experiences.

My jaded and influenced opinion is that the truth is whatever those in power can shape, dictate, manipulate and spoon to the masses.
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LOL......so you're saying we never landed on the moon???
 
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pantone151 said:
Could you imagine if Fulmer wouldve kicked off every player he coached for their first failed drug test? (Not implying JJ did in fact fail one)
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There would have been Open Tryouts in Spring Practice to field a team.
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It's waaaaay past time to let this one go. The decision maker has made the decision, and the majority of people agree with it. Those who don't should support the decision, the coach, the team and the player. Distraction and disagreement lead to losses (see Ole Miss). Let's be thankful we have JJ, hope he's learned from his mistakes, trust that CLK knows more than anonymous posters on message boards and move on.
 
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I don't absolutely disagree with the OP, but I think the coaching staff is in a much better position to know all the details and make the best decision on this situation compared to us as fans. Unless someone can get access to the official court documents that discuss why the DA and Judge agreed to throw out the charges against JJ, then we probably won't learn much more about what actually happened that night. The best thing we should hope is that the coaching staff wouldn't just be letting this guy continue with the team only because he is a great player, but because he really didn't have culpability in the matter.

As far as the poking smot is concerned, if that is indeed what he missed the Memphis game for, lets not pretend like a good portion of both the student body and the other athletes aren't doing the same thing. Hopefully JJ has learned from this whole experience, and I don't see how he couldn't be scared out of his boots after walking off a day at Knox County Jail, and won't fall back into that mess now that he has been given another chance.
 
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How is it possible to decide his guilt or innocence when you do not have all the facts yet? I have wondered from the beginning why he would be involved. His family has money, not to mention the millions he would be giving up from the NFL. The legal system, for better or worse, has decided neither he nor the driver had knowledge of what was happening. I will support him until his guilt comes out in something other than my guesses at media articles or Hyamms saying something he can't prove.:crossfingers:
 
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The originator of this thread is taking the general about "but having worked with troubled youth that age" and incorrectly exporting that to a specific, JJ. JJ was not in his past a poor troubled youth. It's the height of committing a fallacy and should not be in the domain of a rational accountable adult to push punishment on an individual that is completely innocent. This is the sort of thinking that attempts to tar a kid for life and in JJ's case without any wrong doing on his part. I'm embarrassed we have Vol fans with this sort of mentality and even doubly embarassed they feel completely comfortable making their 12th century thinking public.
 
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Um, the legal system cleared him of ALL wrongdoing. Ditto the UT board of conduct. Per CLK, there is no curfew, JJ didn't break team rules and there is no evidence that he had a weapon or drugs in his possession. Unless Kiffin has issued a mandate for "no riding in Priuses after midnight," "no stopping at Pilot" or "no keeping bad company," there is simply no reason to continue suspending the guy.

This is America, we have a constitution and Lane Kiffin isn't God. If we legislated morals and poor judgment, there wouldn't be a football player left in America. There wouldn't be many college students, either.
 
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utfantilidie said:
Not implying Janzen is guilty, but having worked with troubled youth that age, I’ve seen poor kids locked away several years for less, non-violent crimes. JJ certainly should not be playing this year. He should be on some form of probation at least for the failed drug test, if not already, staying clean and out of trouble until next season, then be allowed to play again. He probably should be placed in some kind of drug rehab program as well. Not because his presence on the field may mean millions of dollars to the university in a better bowl appearance. It’s better to be safe and not be totally gullible in believing everything that happened that night was coincidental. Risky behavior deserves consequences.

Utfantilidie
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Considering the charges were dismissed by our legal system, I'm ok with CLK's decision. If we punished every kid in college for failing a drug test, I don't think the student population could support the university.
 
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Chris Low had to recant his failed drug test because lack of evidence, Jimmy "Clueless" Hyams has ate so much crow for being wrong he still has a taste for it. Here we have 4 young adults, (kids in my eyes) none of which had any prior records and 2 of them do the dumbest prank I have ever seen. Who in their right mind could think this attempted robbery was serious, a) a pellet pistol, b) unloaded, c) wearing UT apparel, d) 3 kids in an old beat up looking Hyundai, e) your get-a-way car is a Prius and the driver has hippie lettuce in her possesion, the more you start connecting the dots, none of it makes any sense as far as a calculating robbery with a potential cash return for the crime. The whole thing looks more like a prank to me that went wrong.
 
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