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... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Like many have said, they didn't think we'd beat Georgia, but they also expected us to beat umass soundly and at least compete with Georgia. We did neither.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Just a guess, but the worst home loss in 112 years is quite an eye opener.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Because of the way we look on the football field. it isn't necessarily about the record.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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I remember many predicting the same, I was one. I also remember several, including me, saying that would not be acceptable. Pay attention.
 
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99volfan said:
Like many have said, they didn't think we'd beat Georgia, but they also expected us to beat umass soundly and at least compete with Georgia. We did neither.
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Yes please, reverse those scores and Butch is fine.
41-0 Vols over Umass
17-13 UGA over Vols
We would have same record but feel tons better.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Here is the problem. Its not that simple to look at the record of 3-2 and ask why people are upset because "that is where we were projected to be."

You have to look at the losses and how we lost. We should be 4-1 right now. Just like we should have been at worst 10-2 last year and at worst 11-1 in 2015.

It isn't the losses, its how we lose that everyone is upset with and the near losses to UMASS, App State, Ohio, among others.
 
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GT has a pretty bad defense. Struggled.

Coaching malpractice in the Swamp.

Ohio put 58 on UMass. We struggled to a win with 17.

Worst loss since 1905. 19. 0. 5.

This wasn't a close, shucks we didn't get that one play against Georgia loss. It was a curb stomping. First shutout since 1994. Just all around horrific. Blatantly obvious this team isn't going to perform this season and isn't on the expected Year 5 trajectory.
 
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I think many, including myself, were taking a wait and see approach. It's evident Butch has lost the team and is nose diving badly. It's time to fire him.

Does it make you feel better to rub people's noses in it?
 
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The team has obviously given up on Butch, Butch obviously hasn't developed the team, and the offense is abysmal regardless of QB

there's nothing to find solace in
 
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ajvol01 said:
Just a guess, but the worst home loss in 112 years is quite an eye opener.
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Many jumped off after UF. More jumped off after UMass.

I think people are pretty much resigned to it now... but the win/loss record is exactly where they expected it to be.
 
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Depending on the U Mass quarterback being hurt to scrape by the minutemen, yes we all expected that.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Yep I think most of us thought 7-5 at the worst, 8-4 would be OK, and 9-3 or + would be great.

The prob is NO ONE expected the Umass game to be close, everyone thought we could score 50-60 on I ST, no one thought GA would beat us at home worse than any team since 1905.

No one thought Tennessee's run D would be ranked 120 in the nation.

Most thought our QB's would be developed, and would do at least a fair job.

Most have seen the top recruiting classes Tennessee has had.........and most thought that would develop and would have Tennessee looking good.

NO ONE thought Tennessee would be 3-2 and looking like they could possible lose every game left on the schedule. Not saying Tennessee will, just saying it looks possible.

Also after the Fla game, I think most thought Fla was bad, and we were pretty good.

No on could foresee the past 3 weeks........I don't even think it looks as bad as it really is.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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It's about competitiveness. If we lose by 2 touchdowns, but are in it til the 4th quarter, that's acceptable.

If we look like a team of 1st year Pop Warner players who are only playing because their dad is making them, that's not acceptable.
 
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It's not the record, it's what we all see with our own eyes. It's year 5 and Butch has an entire roster of his top 15 recruiting classes, his assistant coaching hires, his locker room culture, etc., and the product he's putting on the field is absolutely hot garbage. Ohio scored 59 on UMass and we could only muster 17 points at home against them. UF was a winnable game that Butch and a Scott botched to epic proportions, and do I need to even say anything about what happened yesterday? It would be different if we were 3-2 with hard fought losses and our talent being properly utilized. But Butch is failing at almost every aspect of football right now. Morale is in the tank judging by yesterday, game management blows, talent utilization is atrocious, and there is ZERO development of key players that have been in the program for years. Do I need to elaborate any further OP?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Here is the problem. Its not that simple to look at the record of 3-2 and ask why people are upset because "that is where we were projected to be."

You have to look at the losses and how we lost. We should be 4-1 right now. Just like we should have been at worst 10-2 last year and at worst 11-1 in 2015.

It isn't the losses, its how we lose that everyone is upset with and the near losses to UMASS, App State, Ohio, among others.
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I thought that UT should be 4-0 going into UGA months ago just looking at UF's roster.
 
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And yeah... this is a little "I told you so"... to those of you who wouldn't listen but instead attacked me personally for doubting Jones.
 
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I saw potential to lose to GA......but I thought we would show up....the rest of the year is going to be a circus and more Butch Jones press conferences.
 
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sjt18 said:
And yeah... this is a little "I told you so"... to those of you who wouldn't listen but instead attacked me personally for doubting Jones.
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Yes, because clearly you were the only one on VN who has doubted Jones. Lol
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Has more to do with how they are playing. 8-4 figure was about right reloading on offense but not going to accept the way we are playing football. I said after the Umass game he'd lost the team and at that point I gave up on him..
 
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TJ1985 said:
I think many, including myself, were taking a wait and see approach. It's evident Butch has lost the team and is nose diving badly. It's time to fire him.

Does it make you feel better to rub people's noses in it?
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Meh, don't sweat it. The OP was talking about how much he trusted in Butch's chart just a few weeks ago.
 
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