Did the recruiting rankings do us justice?

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That isn't news. We all know that they are accurate for the most part. The contention is whether or not they have been accurate in evaluating individuals. Clearly, there are misses. To wit, I would argue that Jabo Lee was undervalued based upon his grades and injury in his senior outing. I would also say that a lack of proper evaluation may have caused only ESPN to properly rank Corey Vereen.

Also, let's not forget that each site does the math differently on the recruiting rankings, which can lead to some wide discrepancies amongst the recruiting rankings. This article is a solid overall look, but let's not pretend like one great player can make a huge difference for a program. The example of Collin Klein is a great one. Sometimes that one guy who exceeds all expectation is all you need.

Overall, I agree with the assertions made in the article. I'm simply stating that there are examples of superior coaching and surprise recruiting outcomes making a world of difference.
 
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Only time will tell. After looking at many NFL mock drafts, it is sure that J Hunter and Bray have made a mistake. Every player is 1 play away from a career-ender, so I mean no reproach. Fact is, Hunter is going to be a 2nd rounder at best and Bray 3rd. Had they returned, Hunter with more muscle and exp. would likely have moved to the first 31 and Bray could have used the time to get stronger, learn reads and put miles between himself and the silly things he did past fall. Just saying, better for them , better 4 UT.
 
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The problem occurs when people fail to see that three star players can be great mold players that play a huge role but without a few star players all the three star efforts will go unnoticed. In other terms, you need a great mold of talent who know their role and those guys can be three star guys like offensive lineman, but to be a great team you have to obtain an elite RB, DB, LB, and DE IMO. You have to be able to pass rush and man up on defense and you have to be able to run on offense.
 
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I believe they are for the most part. Although, I want to see those 3* players coached up as if they where a blue chip recruit.

I will say though that when I watched the signing day video CBJ spoke very highly of our new running back. He said that CJG saw him on several occasions while he was employed at USC and if not for the injury, which was not specified, that he would've been one of the highest recruited in the country, coach speak, I don't know, but I'm looking forward to seeing the competetion unfold.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's been shown, time and again, that the recruiting sites have a really, really strong track record.
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Just throwing this out there for fun. Would you rather have alabama's players coached by butch jones or tennessee's players coached by nick saban? Put whatever uniform you want on the team.
 
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Just throwing this out there for fun. Would you rather have alabama's players coached by butch jones or tennessee's players coached by nick saban? Put whatever uniform you want on the team.
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I want CBJ to take our players wearing the power T and beat Bama's a**! Screw Bama and Saban!
 
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Just throwing this out there for fun. Would you rather have alabama's players coached by butch jones or tennessee's players coached by nick saban? Put whatever uniform you want on the team.
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I would take the cast of icarly coached by Saban over the first option.
 
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Just throwing this out there for fun. Would you rather have alabama's players coached by butch jones or tennessee's players coached by nick saban? Put whatever uniform you want on the team.
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It depends...

If it is a short term question, then I'd rather have Jones coaching Saban's players. I don't think Jones is a bad coach by any means, and I don't see how he'd do worse than 10 wins.

Anything past a season and I'd take Saban coaching UT's players. And I say that based upon what he did in '08 with a team that was still almost entirely Shula's recruits. With a year to install his system, I think Saban gets Tennessee squarely into the fight for the SEC championship.
 
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bamawriter said:
It depends...

If it is a short term question, then I'd rather have Jones coaching Saban's players. I don't think Jones is a bad coach by any means, and I don't see how he'd do worse than 10 wins.

Anything past a season and I'd take Saban coaching UT's players. And I say that based upon what he did in '08 with a team that was still almost entirely Shula's recruits. With a year to install his system, I think Saban gets Tennessee squarely into the fight for the SEC championship.
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Yeah, well that '08 Alabama team wasn't exactly thread bare on talent. I think Butch REALISTICALLY can win 6 or 7 games next season. I think the key is winning against Auburn and (much as I shudder based on how far we've fallen) Vanderbilt. We've got to win those games plus the cupcakes. We really don't have a margin for error with elite SEC teams.
 
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OP - Thanks for the link. That was a good read. Saves a lot of work.

My Takeaways:

Tenn is rate a 4* Team for the 2008-12 period - suggesting throughout this disaster run we've at least initially had the talent but never had the coaching


I also liked this little gem and had seen a study sometime ago that was similar:

Odds of Becoming an All-American, by Recruiting Ranking
5–Star: 1 in 4.
Top 100: 1 in 6.
4–Star: 1 in 16.
3–Star: 1 in 56.
2–Star: 1 in 127.
All FBS Signees: 1 in 45.
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And regarding perspective:

We're coming off a season in which the Heisman Trophy was won by an undersized quarterback, Johnny Manziel, who slipped through the cracks a three-star afterthought.

The starting quarterbacks in Sunday night's Super Bowl, Joe Flacco and Colin Kaepernick, rose from the obscurity of (respectively) Delaware and Nevada, two of the few schools that showed any interest.
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Just throwing this out there for fun. Would you rather have alabama's players coached by butch jones or tennessee's players coached by nick saban? Put whatever uniform you want on the team.
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That's a good question, because I think our team has more talent than last years results. I'm gonna take Butch with Saban's recruits. Not slamming Saban as a coach, but he had much different results with Michigan St. Talent than he did LSU and Bama.
 
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keckjm said:
I personally find 247 to be the best website. They are pretty fair and seam to update players pretty well.
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I've always been a Rivals guy. But I'm not gonna lie, I'm really digging the composite rankings on 247. They really have their stuff together. IMO, 247 and Rivals....eff the rest.
 
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RichRollin said:
That's a good question, because I think our team has more talent than last years results. I'm gonna take Butch with Saban's recruits. Not slamming Saban as a coach, but he had much different results with Michigan St. Talent than he did LSU and Bama.
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I agree because I think the talent and depth of the Bama roster yields consistency on the field. Obviously there are teams like Boise State with superior coaching that can on any given Saturday pick off one of the big boys but the knock on the Boise States is that they generally do not have the talent and depth to do the same thing week in and week out.

CBJ may be a bit underrated by many in our fanbase including myself. Time will tell but in his stint at Cincy he appears to have had a number of victories against rosters that boasted more talent than the bearcats. I'd like to see some of that this coming season and if we do, of course what follows is an improvement in our future rosters and more consistency of success in our conference.
 
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Just throwing this out there for fun. Would you rather have alabama's players coached by butch jones or tennessee's players coached by nick saban? Put whatever uniform you want on the team.
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Saban's a great coach but give me bUTch and the studs. I'll take talent most every time. I mean look at Fulmer.... Had great talent which overcame his in game coaching deficiencies- which were numerous. No offense to Phil.
 
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RichRollin said:
That's a good question, because I think our team has more talent than last years results. I'm gonna take Butch with Saban's recruits. Not slamming Saban as a coach, but he had much different results with Michigan St. Talent than he did LSU and Bama.
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Ultimately it's hard to separate the 2. Saban's responsible for both the players and the coaching
 
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KBVol said:
Ultimately it's hard to separate the 2. Saban's responsible for both the players and the coaching
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Yes, true. An argument can easily be made for both options IMO. But I just think a lot of coaches could be really successful at Bama. Perhaps not 3 NCs in four years good though. But I don't remember him getting those kind of guys at Michigan St. Not an entire team of them anyway.
 
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