Did Cutcliffe Hurt Fulmer?

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Ultimately, Cutcliffe leaves for a head coaching position and takes with him any chance of Pryor landing at UT. The irony of the situation is interesting. Did Cut essentially sign the death warrant this year for Fulmer by leaving his friend and confidante to go to Duke? The irony in this is intriguing.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Ultimately, Cutcliffe leaves for a head coaching position and takes with him any chance of Pryor landing at UT. The irony of the situation is interesting. Did Cut essentially sign the death warrant this year for Fulmer by leaving his friend and confidante to go to Duke? The irony in this is intriguing.
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If Cutcliffe hadn't returned in '06, Fulmer would already be unemployed.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If Cutcliffe hadn't returned in '06, Fulmer would already be unemployed.
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That could very well be. There aren't too many QB coaches that could have rescued Erik Ainge . . . and now that we know how the backup would have turned out, it's flat out scary to think about how bad things could have gotten if Cutcliffe hadn't come back.
 
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Did Cutcliffe hurt Fulmer? Heck no, Fulmer hurt himself. Cutcliffe knew what was going to happen this year and saw an out and took it.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Ultimately, Cutcliffe leaves for a head coaching position and takes with him any chance of Pryor landing at UT. The irony of the situation is interesting. Did Cut essentially sign the death warrant this year for Fulmer by leaving his friend and confidante to go to Duke? The irony in this is intriguing.
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Pryor wasn't even interested in UT...It was between OSU and Michigan...Added some spice to that rivalry
 
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I'm thinking my idea of trying to keep Cut with a Jimbo Fisher-like deal wasn't my worst post. However, my guess is that we'd at least be 5-3 with Cut and CPF's shortcomings would have been hidden.

If Cut stayed and we got Pryor, it's a different season altogether--and a different future.

I wonder if Cut and Chavis are really behind all our success with an assist to CPF for recruiting some talent in years past. Once that talent starting fading, so too did the team.

I miss Cutcliffe and the 30 points we used to score even with conservative play calling.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Ultimately, Cutcliffe leaves for a head coaching position and takes with him any chance of Pryor landing at UT. The irony of the situation is interesting. Did Cut essentially sign the death warrant this year for Fulmer by leaving his friend and confidante to go to Duke? The irony in this is intriguing.
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This is proof positive Fulmer is a loser. Do you think a top QB recruit would even consider not going to FL,AL or GA because they lost their offensive coordinator? The answer is no because they trust the head coach of those programs because they know they will get it done. It's bad when highschool kids can figure out the assistants are better then head coach but loyal fans of Fulmer can not.
 
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GmanTN said:
This is proof positive Fulmer is a loser. Do you think a top QB recruit would even consider not going to FL,AL or GA because they lost their offensive coordinator? The answer is no because they trust the head coach of those programs because they know they will get it done. It's bad when highschool kids can figure out the assistants are better then head coach but loyal fans of Fulmer can not.
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Yes.
 
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GmanTN said:
This is proof positive Fulmer is a loser. Do you think a top QB recruit would even consider not going to FL,AL or GA because they lost their offensive coordinator? The answer is no because they trust the head coach of those programs because they know they will get it done. It's bad when highschool kids can figure out the assistants are better then head coach but loyal fans of Fulmer can not.
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Are you kidding?

When the Offensive Coordinator is the guy that coached Peyton and Eli Manning, it matters slightly.
 
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GAVol said:
Are you kidding?

When the Offensive Coordinator is the guy that coached Peyton and Eli Manning, it matters slightly.
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I disagree if Cut was so good why are those 2 the only QB's he worked with to star in the NFL? The Mannings were blessed from Archie not Cut. Peyton spent more time looking at film then CUT and had a better understanding of what defenses were doing against him. If anyone benefited it was Cut for being called the O coach of the Mannings.
 
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GmanTN said:
I disagree if Cut was so good why are those 2 the only QB's he worked with to star in the NFL? The Mannings were blessed from Archie not Cut. Peyton spent more time looking at film then CUT and had a better understanding of what defenses were doing against him. If anyone benefited it was Cut for being called the O coach of the Mannings.
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Name all the offensive coordinators that you can think of that have had 5 QBs get drafted, much less two of them go #1 and another one go in the top 10.
 
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utmba93 said:
Thanks Justin.

How steady do you think all these great commits are and are they betting on a good choice at the healm or thinking CPF is staying?
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Stokes and Giles are gone if CPF and his entire staff is gone for sure.

They'll be others too.
 
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If Cutcliffe staying meant Pryor committing to UT, then Pryor would have gone to Duke. Tennessee wasn't already high on Pryor's list with Cutcliffe here, so it's only natural that he dropped us.

There's no doubt that Coach Cut is a great offensive coordinator, and a drop off wouldn't be seen as anything irregular - especially when there's a scheme switch too. I doubt that we'd be having a bad season with him at the helm of the offense.

But then again, we'd still be running the I-formation, so people would be complaining about not running a spread or spread-option offense. One thing's for certain: playing the spread offense with players who fit I-form is brutal to watch.
 
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justingroves said:
Stokes and Giles are gone if CPF and his entire staff is gone for sure.

They'll be others too.
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That sux. I really don't want to have a losing team again next year.

Do you think Cut would have played BJ and we would have never seen JC or Nick?

Would Cut have taught Paige how to catch the ball--and would he have played Moore, Paige, Creer, and Hardesty a lot more?
 
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utmba93 said:
That sux. I really don't want to have a losing team again next year.

Do you think Cut would have played BJ and we would have never seen JC or Nick?

Would Cut have taught Paige how to catch the ball--and would he have played Moore, Paige, Creer, and Hardesty a lot more?
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This team has the talent to win 8 games next year regardless of who's coaching it.

Cut really liked BJ. I don't know for sure if he would have played in front of Stephens though.

Cut was on the staff when Adkins "forgot" about Hardesty in the Alabama game.

Cut used Foster well out of the backfield and Foster had 1200 yards rushing last year.

Moore would have played because he played quite a bit last season but it would have still been quick passes to the same WRs though.

Brandon Warren would have flourished in the position Chris Brown held last season.
 
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1. There was no way we would have gotten Pryor. He was staying in the Midwest no matter what.

2. Dont forget Tee Martin was in the league for a couple years, as Erik Ainge currently is. Thats no small matter.

3. How did Randy Sanders qb's do? They never sniffed the league. Think Clawson's will?
 
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GAVol said:
Are you kidding?

When the Offensive Coordinator is the guy that coached Peyton and Eli Manning, it matters slightly.
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Must we spell everything out (which, I am sure, has been done already). Anyway, here goes

Cutliff away, Fulmer BAD
Culiff here, Fulmer OK
 
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justingroves said:
This team has the talent to win 8 games next year regardless of who's coaching it.

Cut really liked BJ. I don't know for sure if he would have played in front of Stephens though.

Cut was on the staff when Adkins "forgot" about Hardesty in the Alabama game.

Cut used Foster well out of the backfield and Foster had 1200 yards rushing last year.

Moore would have played because he played quite a bit last season but it would have still been quick passes to the same WRs though.

Brandon Warren would have flourished in the position Chris Brown held last season.
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Some good reminders on Cut's downsides... especially forgetting about Hardesty against Bama... thanks.

Great point about Warren. He looks like he'd be great in the open field, but we see him so little.

Do you think Clawson is making the calls on personnel?
 
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GmanTN said:
I disagree if Cut was so good why are those 2 the only QB's he worked with to star in the NFL? The Mannings were blessed from Archie not Cut. Peyton spent more time looking at film then CUT and had a better understanding of what defenses were doing against him. If anyone benefited it was Cut for being called the O coach of the Mannings.
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I'd consider Spurrier a good QB coach. Name 1 QB he has put in the NFL that has been good?
 
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utmba93 said:
Some good reminders on Cut's downsides... especially forgetting about Hardesty against Bama... thanks.

Great point about Warren. He looks like he'd be great in the open field, but we see him so little.

Do you think Clawson is making the calls on personnel?
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Warren's not a traditional TE size-wise. He needs to be moved around and played all over the place. That hasn't been done yet and it really pisses me off.

If he was, Crompton would have been yanked at halfway through the UAB game.
 
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