Delay signing until after NSD?

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With all the news about coordinators making announcements to change schools on or after NSD, it makes me wonder if a future trend might be for some recruits to delay sending their faxes in a couple of days AFTER NSD. I know the kid who turned down Michigan for OSU sure wishes he would have waited. What say you all (and give the "kids sign with a school, not a coach" speech a rest)?
 
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CroKev said:
With all the news about coordinators making announcements to change schools on or after NSD, it makes me wonder if a future trend might be for some recruits to delay sending their faxes in a couple of days AFTER NSD. I know the kid who turned down Michigan for OSU sure wishes he would have waited. What say you all (and give the "kids sign with a school, not a coach" speech a rest)?
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With talk that there will be an early signing period in Dec, possibly as early as this year, imo it will probably get worse. Lots of position coach movement in Dec/Jan. Kids are just going to have to understand it can and will happen. Unless it's the HC bailing, IMO position coach changes isn't reason to release a kid from a LOI.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
With talk that there will be an early signing period in Dec, possibly as early as this year, imo it will probably get worse. Lots of position coach movement in Dec/Jan. Kids are just going to have to understand it can and will happen. Unless it's the HC bailing, IMO position coach changes isn't reason to release a kid from a LOI.
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It is being said more and more that you pick a school not a coach or assistant coach. Things can change on short notice. For example, Jancek could be approached for a HC position and take several coaches with him. Think of the commotion that would cause.
 
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CroKev said:
With all the news about coordinators making announcements to change schools on or after NSD, it makes me wonder if a future trend might be for some recruits to delay sending their faxes in a couple of days AFTER NSD. I know the kid who turned down Michigan for OSU sure wishes he would have waited. What say you all (and give the "kids sign with a school, not a coach" speech a rest)?
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Most recruits don't have the clout to swing that kind of bat...Terrelle Pryor and Clowney enjoyed the solo stages after NSD, but nowadays you could end up like Torrance Gibson, jumping at the first big offer that keeps you from being an Appalachian State legend. :)
 
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VAVolsFan2009 said:
It is being said more and more that you pick a school not a coach or assistant coach. Things can change on short notice. For example, Jancek could be approached for a HC position and take several coaches with him. Think of the commotion that would cause.
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I guess how I see it is if you say a kid can get out of a LOI if a WR coach leaves after NSD, why not release the kid if the WR coach leaves his SO year? Coaching movement happens. I do think kids should be picking schools based on the school. You just can't release 85 kids every time a coach takes a new job.
 
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butchna said:
Most recruits don't have the clout to swing that kind of bat...Terrelle Pryor and Clowney enjoyed the solo stages after NSD, but nowadays you could end up like Torrance Gibson, jumping at the first big offer that keeps you from being an Appalachian State legend. :)
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.......see also David Oku and Bryce Brown. It's been so long, I'm had to really think..... Is that the right name? Spelling?
 
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OrangeDog said:
.......see also David Oku and Bryce Brown. It's been so long, I'm had to really think..... Is that the right name? Spelling?
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Nailed both. :thumbsup: now for a tougher one...what's the name of our EE QB from Texas? :)
 
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Some different perspectives on the issue. FWIW, Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher chaired the committee that honed the proposal for an earlier signing period.

If a player believed he was misled during recruiting by a coach who knew he was leaving for another job that could make a compelling case to the National Letter of Intent Appeals Committee.

Steinbrecher said there has been no discussion about changing the letter to allow for players to break the commitment because of coaching changes. "It's a two-way street here. Does that mean if a coach leaves that a school is released from its obligations to a player as well?" Steinbrecher said.

However, if an early signing period is implemented, how it effects recruiting will be examined closely and the change will be readdressed after two years, Steinbrecher. "Because until you live it, I don't know if you know all the intended or unintended consequences," he said.
Late coaching changes expose flaw in early signing period - The Morning Call


"The feedback from the coaches was that we've got a number of kids who have made their decision," Steinbrecher said. "Why aren't we allowing them to go ahead and formalize it?"

His committee considered a proposal from the ACC to have an early signing period in August but decided against it in part because so many coaches are fired in late November. Setting the date in December gives most schools a chance to make their head coaching change before the early signing period.

The early signing period should reduce pressure on some high school athletes and would clearly ease the angst of high school coaches dealing with college recruiters traipsing through their schools.

It will also help programs such as ODU and Kentucky that saw a number of players flip to other schools at the last minute. The Monarchs lost four, but Kentucky got pummeled as nine players signed elsewhere.
February frenzy might be eased by early signing period | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com


An association made up of the commissioners of the 32 Division I conferences will vote on an early football signing period in June.

It's not clear how the SEC will vote, though, with Barnhart noting that the push for an early signing period is not big in the conference. He said there are four or five schools in the league that are for it while the rest are not.

"If I'm sitting in some of the schools that are traditionally powerful, I'd like the ability after my bowl game is over to sit here and say, 'I didn't get this person, so I'm going to go take that one from this school. That's the best player they've got and I didn't offer him early on,'" Barnhart said, noting that it's something Kentucky similarly could do in basketball.

Both the UK coach and AD noted that many schools like the traditional timeline, which allows more time for coaches to meet with prospects on campus once the grind of the season winds down.

"We all are a little bit hesitant about hosting official visits all fall because we're busy enough with games, and then you take on — I don't know if you do the families justice a lot of times because we don't have the time to spend with them, and a lot of people are opposed to that," Stoops said.
UK football notebook: Calls for early-signing period go against SEC | Football | Kentucky.com
 
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kamoshika said:
Some different perspectives on the issue. FWIW, Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher chaired the committee that honed the proposal for an earlier signing period.

If a player believed he was misled during recruiting by a coach who knew he was leaving for another job that could make a compelling case to the National Letter of Intent Appeals Committee.

Steinbrecher said there has been no discussion about changing the letter to allow for players to break the commitment because of coaching changes. "It's a two-way street here. Does that mean if a coach leaves that a school is released from its obligations to a player as well?" Steinbrecher said.

However, if an early signing period is implemented, how it effects recruiting will be examined closely and the change will be readdressed after two years, Steinbrecher.

"Because until you live it, I don't know if you know all the intended or unintended consequences," he said.
Late coaching changes expose flaw in early signing period - The Morning Call


"The feedback from the coaches was that we've got a number of kids who have made their decision," Steinbrecher said. "Why aren't we allowing them to go ahead and formalize it?"

His committee considered a proposal from the ACC to have an early signing period in August but decided against it in part because so many coaches are fired in late November. Setting the date in December gives most schools a chance to make their head coaching change before the early signing period.

The early signing period should reduce pressure on some high school athletes and would clearly ease the angst of high school coaches dealing with college recruiters traipsing through their schools.

It will also help programs such as ODU and Kentucky that saw a number of players flip to other schools at the last minute. The Monarchs lost four, but Kentucky got pummeled as nine players signed elsewhere.
February frenzy might be eased by early signing period | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com


An association made up of the commissioners of the 32 Division I conferences will vote on an early football signing period in June.

It's not clear how the SEC will vote, though, with Barnhart noting that the push for an early signing period is not big in the conference. He said there are four or five schools in the league that are for it while the rest are not.

"If I'm sitting in some of the schools that are traditionally powerful, I'd like the ability after my bowl game is over to sit here and say, 'I didn't get this person, so I'm going to go take that one from this school. That's the best player they've got and I didn't offer him early on,'" Barnhart said, noting that it's something Kentucky similarly could do in basketball.

Both the UK coach and AD noted that many schools like the traditional timeline, which allows more time for coaches to meet with prospects on campus once the grind of the season winds down.

"We all are a little bit hesitant about hosting official visits all fall because we're busy enough with games, and then you take on — I don't know if you do the families justice a lot of times because we don't have the time to spend with them, and a lot of people are opposed to that," Stoops said.
UK football notebook: Calls for early-signing period go against SEC | Football | Kentucky.com
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Thanks for posting. Good info there. I'm all for it. If you're a coach who pushes for early commitments like Butch does, I can't imagine he wouldn't rather get the LOI out of the way ASAP. Get it done and it's much easier to turn your focus to next years class.
 
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They are not playing school ball, they are playing football. They do not get recruited by school coaches, they get recruited by football coaches. So, I get it if a kid who forms a tight relationship with a football coach who leaves wants to leave also. Especially those when you have an average of 4 years to develop into NFL talent. Leaves little time to see if the new coach is a right fit.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Why eliminate all the NSD theatrics .
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Other than Richmond, Butch did this year. Who knows. If there was an early signing period this year, he may have called Butch much earlier and flipped in Dec.

Early signing period and I have no doubt fewer big time recruits let it play out till Feb.
 
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you don't have to sign on NSD, that is just the start of the signing period, if a kid thinks his coach might leave, grumors, just wait. there is plenty of time one way or the other.
 
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Commit to a school NOT a coach and CERTAINLY NOT a position coach/coordinator
 
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I think a commitment is a commitment and your word should be mean something - especially if it is formalized and faxed in.

However, the kids are the ones who are at a real disadvantage here....

There are only a maximum of 25 spots available (generally speaking - no back-counting). If a kid waits b/c of rumors, he could be left waiting at the station and the train is already gone. Hello FBS. If he does sign b/c of a great relationship with a coach and the coach leaves, then he's got 4-5 years to get NFL ready with new coaches who almost always prefer "their recruits" to the other guy's. Proverbial rock and hard place.
 
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If I was the kid from Michigan upset about signing. I'd fly Urban Meyer the bird. We know he would refuse to release the kid to transfer to Michigan. So I'd transfer down for 1 year to lower school where you don't have to sit and for sophomore season join Michigan. Otherwise Urban PUNKD the kid and it's not like that kid will play as a freshmen anyways with what they have on their roster.
 
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volatil said:
Commit to a school NOT a coach and CERTAINLY NOT a position coach/coordinator
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The problem with this is it depends on the system the coaches run. If an offensive coordinator or head coach runs a spread that relies heavy on the qb to throw the ball, gets a commitment to the school by a recruit ideally suited for that style of offense, then the HC/OC leaves and the new guy is a wishbone, I formation or wing-T guy, the kid has little chance of succeeding. If a spread guy leaves and a spread guy replaces him, then it's not such a big deal. If it is just a relationship and like situation with a position coach, I'm not as sympathetic and they should stick.

I also think if one party changes the program or goes back on their word that was given during the recruiting process, the recruit should be able to appeal to get a waiver to transfer. The coaches are the professionals that do this for a living and they are negotiating with rank amateurs. The coaches have the upper hand in the recruiting game.

There has to be a way to make it more equitable for both parties to the agreement, the student/recruit and the school.
 
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utvols74 said:
I think a commitment is a commitment and your word should be mean something - especially if it is formalized and faxed in.

However, the kids are the ones who are at a real disadvantage here....

There are only a maximum of 25 spots available (generally speaking - no back-counting). If a kid waits b/c of rumors, he could be left waiting at the station and the train is already gone. Hello FBS. If he does sign b/c of a great relationship with a coach and the coach leaves, then he's got 4-5 years to get NFL ready with new coaches who almost always prefer "their recruits" to the other guy's. Proverbial rock and hard place.
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to a certain extent i agree. however its not like these guys are getting rawdogged by the coach leaving and they are stuck with whoever fills in. they are still on scholarship, they are having to learn a new system just like all the returning players. HC i can definitely agree the kids should be able to walk but otherwise, man up. this stuff happens in the real world too, with clients leaving or coming unexpectedly; a boss leaving or the firm you just started at changes philosophy within your first month. so while it sucks to lose a coach you really like, and might have signed for, i don't think they should get their papers for it.
 
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