Defensive Fun Fact..

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...As of this week our defense is ranked 43 in the country. Schiano's D at OSU is 56. Considering where both teams finished last year and the players that both teams had to start the year....I think it's safe to say we got the better Defensive minded coach.
 
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Us dodging Doeren, Brohm, and Schiano like

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Volfan76 said:
...As of this week our defense is ranked 43 in the country. Schiano's D at OSU is 56. Considering where both teams finished last year and the players that both teams had to start the year....I think it's safe to say we got the better Defensive minded coach.
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also if you factor in strength of schedule maybe even better
 
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Pride85 said:
Will this fanbase ever let this go? I personally didn't want Schiano because he is a terrible coach with a bad attitude. It really doesn't matter who we didn't get, I believe we DID get the perfect coach to bring this team back from exile.
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I think when you’re referred to as a “Lynch mob” among other things, it’s not just something you “drop”. It’s nice to be vindicated, especially from comments like those that said Schiano was a good man because Urban Meyer said so
 
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VFL49er said:
I think when you’re referred to as a “Lynch mob” among other things, it’s not just something you “drop”. It’s nice to be vindicated, especially from comments like those that said Schiano was a good man because Urban Meyer said so
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I can tell that you are still upset over everything. I am ecstatic over the fact he is not here, he is a very bad coach. The lynch mob comment was for the reason the fans protested. Had the protest been simply because he is a bad coach and would have been a terrible fit, it would not have even made the news. That was not the reason for the protest.
 
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Pride85 said:
I can tell that you are still upset over everything. I am ecstatic over the fact he is not here, he is a very bad coach. The lynch mob comment was for the reason the fans protested. Had the protest been simply because he is a bad coach and would have been a terrible fit, it would not have even made the news. That was not the reason for the protest.
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I beg to differ....his lackluster resume had as much to do with it as his knowledge of the Penn St. scandal.
 
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Pride85 said:
I can tell that you are still upset over everything. I am ecstatic over the fact he is not here, he is a very bad coach. The lynch mob comment was for the reason the fans protested. Had the protest been simply because he is a bad coach and would have been a terrible fit, it would not have even made the news. That was not the reason for the protest.
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Yeah.... the lynch mob comment was because of the reason we protested. We do not disagree there. I’m saying that a phrase that alludes to racially charged murders should never be used to describe a fan base that doesn’t want a man who potentially covered up child abuse to lead their university’s football team (that just recently settled a Title IX lawsuit). That was unprofessional and worth being upset about even now. I’m thrilled with the direction of the program right now, and yes, still upset at the “journalists” who tried to vilify us
 
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Volfan76 said:
I beg to differ....his lackluster resume had as much to do with it as his knowledge of the Penn St. scandal.
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That is the part of the protest I am talking about. There were dozens of people subpoenaed and hundreds depositioned in that horrible case. He was not one of them. There was no evidence he was involved, outside of a statement by Mike McCreary made in his depostition that another coach had told him he thought he remembered Schiano telling he might have seen something happen to a boy in a shower. This has been rebuffed by several sources since that was made public.

The mob mentality was started and inflamed by the same "Sportswriter" that lauds knowledge of several silent 5* commits.
 
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VFL49er said:
Yeah.... the lynch mob comment was because of the reason we protested. We do not disagree there. I’m saying that a phrase that alludes to racially charged murders should never be used to describe a fan base that doesn’t want a man who potentially covered up child abuse to lead their university’s football team (that just recently settled a Title IX lawsuit). That was unprofessional and worth being upset about even now. I’m thrilled with the direction of the program right now, and yes, still upset at the “journalists” who tried to vilify us
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I understand the racial implications of the phrase Lynch Mob. The term has been around for a very long time and was not originally racially based. It started as early as the Revolutionary War and meant a mob of people seeking justice without trial. It was very common the in the old west, commonly known as a posse. It is the same thing as peasants with torches hunting down a person based on their reputed actions.

Sorry, enough history. There is a reason the protesters were labelled as they were. The bad thing is, I don't believe most of them even knew the real reason they were protesting. I am not trying to in any way justify having him here, I never wanted him.
 
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Pride85 said:
That is the part of the protest I am talking about. There were dozens of people subpoenaed and hundreds depositioned in that horrible case. He was not one of them. There was no evidence he was involved, outside of a statement by Mike McCreary made in his depostition that another coach had told him he thought he remembered Schiano telling he might have seen something happen to a boy in a shower. This has been rebuffed by several sources since that was made public.

The mob mentality was started and inflamed by the same "Sportswriter" that lauds knowledge of several silent 5* commits.
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I’m going to but my head in here.

I know multiple boards of trustee members at Penn State, I’ve met previous members of the football staff. I know major donors and have had several “off the record” conversations with them.

If they had deposed everyone at Penn State who had knowledge of Sandusky...that entire program would have to be burned to the ground.

This truly was a secret that EVERYONE close to the program knew, the only reason it didn’t make mainstream was because they had all agreed to keep it quiet for the sake of the school

It was so well known players would joke about not getting caught in the showers with Sandusky. Not to mention Paterno’s staff was filled with folks who had been with him for decades. It would surprise me more if they didn’t know, with how many people I’ve talked to about it.

I can’t remember the name of the poster who posted this, he’s posted it twice on VN now, but I kept a screenshot of it to share with my family after this debacle happened. It shows you how well this was covered up and how even outsiders chose to put the school over the kids.

This is NOT my story, but as I said, I know enough people involved with Penn State to be certain of it

I’ll add, none of this is proof that Schiano knew for certain, however that’s not necessarily the point. The point is that it is likely he did, in that way he is tainted and that’s all the ammunition any other coach would need. He could easily tell recruits and their parents “do you want to trust your kids with someone who might be guilty of covering up child rape?”

Don’t tell me they wouldn’t use it.
 

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Pride85 said:
Will this fanbase ever let this go? I personally didn't want Schiano because he is a terrible coach with a bad attitude. It really doesn't matter who we didn't get, I believe we DID get the perfect coach to bring this team back from exile.
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People still bring up Kiffin..so no..it will never go away.
 
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Pride85 said:
I understand the racial implications of the phrase Lynch Mob. The term has been around for a very long time and was not originally racially based. It started as early as the Revolutionary War and meant a mob of people seeking justice without trial. It was very common the in the old west, commonly known as a posse. It is the same thing as peasants with torches hunting down a person based on their reputed actions.

Sorry, enough history. There is a reason the protesters were labelled as they were. The bad thing is, I don't believe most of them even knew the real reason they were protesting. I am not trying to in any way justify having him here, I never wanted him.
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Ok I think I have a clearer understanding of where you’re out. I still think using that term isn’t fair, because it has violent implications regardless. I just think we disagree in terms of why people were protesting. I think the vast majority were for the right (his controversial history) reasons, and not solely because of his record. But I’m sure some were just mad he was a mediocre Big East coach as well. I just feel that the people I encountered (I’m a current student, so mostly other students, but also my dad and other alumni, many of whom weren’t really big football fans) sincerely cared about the kind of man he was. I know that I did.
 
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Said in another thread the other day my thoughts on Schiano.

The only success he ever had as a head coach was with Ray Rice at Rutgers. Other than that ,he has been wholly terrible when put in charge.

Always appeared to me to be a defensive version of Butch Jones. A thin skinned jack ass who is coasting on reputation from turning Rutgers around.
 
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VFL49er said:
Ok I think I have a clearer understanding of where you’re out. I still think using that term isn’t fair, because it has violent implications regardless. I just think we disagree in terms of why people were protesting. I think the vast majority were for the right (his controversial history) reasons, and not solely because of his record. But I’m sure some were just mad he was a mediocre Big East coach as well. I just feel that the people I encountered (I’m a current student, so mostly other students, but also my dad and other alumni, many of whom weren’t really big football fans) sincerely cared about the kind of man he was. I know that I did.
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I will agree with you overall. He is a bad coach with a bad attitude and bad relationships with players. The other stuff was horrible and indefensible. There just isn't evidence he was involved with that. Most followed what others were saying. It was chaotic and insane and brought some attention that wasn't the right kind.

Glad to hear you are a current student, one of my granddaughters is currently enrolled and I have gone over to visit a few times. Unfortunately for me, so many buildings have been demolished and rebuilt since I was there in the 80's, it is a little hard to get around now without an escort. :)
 
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Lest we forget, Haslam wanted him to be HC for the Browns and even they raised a stink about it. If the Browns don’t want you....
 
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