Deepest hole we've been in

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#76
We have the best chance we're going to get to improve our football program right now with CJP. VolNation can support and maybe help increase his chances even if only by 1% or we can be part of negativity and possibly hamper his chances some. Pick which side you want to be a part of. Might take restraint but you pick it. I'm supporting.
 
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SteelerVol said:
We have the best chance we're going to get to improve our football program right now with CJP. VolNation can support and maybe help increase his chances even if only by 1% or we can be part of negativity and possibly hamper his chances some. Pick which side you want to be a part of. Might take restraint but you pick it. I'm supporting.
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I'm a optomist and I support our new HC and coaching staff.

Nothing else we can really do anyway.

I have no time to be a negative nincompoop.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Roustabout said:
The oline is in worse shape. Much worse. Sure Dooley went a recruiting cycle without signing an oline, but due to attrition, the online is much worse than the line Butch inherited, which had 3 NFL starters.
Plus, you just lost likely your two best returning defensive player and best offensive player early to the draft. Add to that, there will be heavy losses due to graduation after this year and it's a rebuilding close to what Butch inherited. The defense was well coached Butch's first two years. Jancek did a decent job and Shoop just couldn't get anyone, coaches or players to buy in.
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Problem was that those guys played one more year and left (as they should) leaving the Oline cupboard completely bare. That's why Dools killed us.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I think Ty becomes a much better RB than JK was. I love JK and hate he's leaving but don't think it hurts much at all.
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I've wondered if Kelly left partly because he saw Ty passing him on the depth chart and also a big back coming in and sharing playing time.
 
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#83
This whole "Rebuilding" theory no longer holds water. Or at least the same amount of water as it used to.

Top HS players are much more physically ready and mentally prepared scheme wise, etc. to play D1 fball.

GREAT coaches will make HUGE strides by year TWO! All the best in the USA now have done so.

There is PLENTY of talent on this UT squad. They were woefully undercoached.

If Pruitt has what it takes... we'll take some lumps this year, but should still win 7, possibly 8 games. Year TWO... vying for the SEC East with a shot at the SECT.

Keep an eye on what Herman does this coming season at lil UT. Year 2 for him.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
I've been trying to control my heart rate since the implosion of the program this year. In a few weeks, the recruiting class will signing and the program will be fully engaged on what's next.

As a fan I am trying to temper my expectations. I think the program being inherited by Pruitt is in much worse shape than what any other coach has inherited at Tennessee. We have multiple players that are leaving early for the NFL and transferring to other schools.
It appears that Dormady may be one of them.

We have a lot of undeveloped Talent that has been on the team for years. Our current recruiting class is totally up in the air. It might get better, but it might not. We still have several positions of need that aren't truly filled, especially with depth.

With the Resurgence of Georgia, we now have both an Alabama Florida, and the Georgia games that are going to be harder than normal to win. I only add Florida to that list because we seem to have a jinx that prevents us from beating them even when we should. No matter how bad Florida plays we always seem to play down to their level.

I think Pruitt's rebuilding process is going to take longer than we have the patience for. I'm seeing this being at least 3 years before we realistically start being able to play at the level of SEC play that we need to be at. I just don't know if VN has the stomach for it again.
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We are in much better shape now than we were after Kiffin and Dooley left.
 
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jarnol32 said:
We are in much better shape now than we were after Kiffin and Dooley left.
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Not really. More top to bottom talent on the roster than Dooley left, probably....but huge holes are everywhere. Add in that the culture is a mess as is the overall strength and conditioning. I’d say all things considered, probably about even.
 
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#87
OP is wrong to imply that our roster has never been worse than it is right now (Butch inherited worse), but he might be right overall given how much stronger Georgia and Florida are now than they were earlier this decade. We COULD have seized control of the SEC East and kept those programs down, but now they might do the exact same thing to us.

We're not as bad as our record last year would indicate, but it'll take years before we're competitive with Georgia again, much less Alabama.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I've been in deeper holes
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Drunk nite,playing wingman ended up with sumthing looked like a mixture of Rosanne and swamp thing...Had to tie a rope around my leg so I didn't fall in..Tru story worse nite of my life and deepest hole I've ever been in😂😂😂😂
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
To say the team / program that's being inherited by Pruitt is in worse shape than the team / program inherited by BJ is just factually inaccurate. Calm down.
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AS a fan of 49 years, when Jones took over for DD the talent level was at a all time low this team has talent, but has not been coached to get the most out of it.
 
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jeff1vol said:
This whole "Rebuilding" theory no longer holds water. Or at least the same amount of water as it used to.

Top HS players are much more physically ready and mentally prepared scheme wise, etc. to play D1 fball.

GREAT coaches will make HUGE strides by year TWO! All the best in the USA now have done so.

There is PLENTY of talent on this UT squad. They were woefully undercoached.

If Pruitt has what it takes... we'll take some lumps this year, but should still win 7, possibly 8 games. Year TWO... vying for the SEC East with a shot at the SECT.

Keep an eye on what Herman does this coming season at lil UT. Year 2 for him.
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It's great that you're so optamistic my friend.

It all starts up front and both our lines are in really bad shape and the depth is horrid.

Even if we already had a great, proven QB, which we don't, nothing really good will happen until we have a really good O line.

Until we have a really good D line with some good depth we'll continue to let big runs and passing plays happen.

Even great coaches can't win against top teams until they rebuild the roster with really good players.

They know the X's and O's but we need lots of good jimmys and Joes.

This rebuild is going to take a few years and we just need to accept that and enjoy watching the rebuilding and the Wins start adding up year by year.

6 WINS and back in a bowl next season will be a decent start and anything more than that is icing on the cake and really good coaching by our new staff.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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AboveAllNations said:
OP is wrong to imply that our roster has never been worse than it is right now (Butch inherited worse), but he might be right overall given how much stronger Georgia and Florida are now than they were earlier this decade. We COULD have seized control of the SEC East and kept those programs down, but now they might do the exact same thing to us.

We're not as bad as our record last year would indicate, but it'll take years before we're competitive with Georgia again, much less Alabama.
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The Dawgs are as good as bama now as bad as i hate to say that going in 18 they are even and only Auburn has a chance to win the SEC, but the East is still weak and we have a shot at beating anyboby in the east except the Dawgs, I DON'T SEE WHY PEOPLE PUT A LOSE DOWN FOR THE GATOR GAME, WE PLAY THEM AT HOME, both team new head coaches plus both teams will be young, Mullins isn't that good as a coach he had the bama game won and started trying to run out the clock with 12 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter thank god he went to the gators.
 
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#93
A lot of folks on here commenting about how I think that the sky is falling right now. That's not true. The sky already fell. Jeremy Pruitt has to pick this program backup and carry it to a better place. And I think he can get there. I don't have a problem with him as the head coach. What I do believe is that we as a fanbase are not prepared for two more years of mediocrity before we can really get his recruits in there as starters and build development within our players. Everybody is commenting on how Alabama won a national championship with a true freshman starter. Let's keep in mind that he was number one quarterback recruit and winner of the Elite 11. We don't have that guy our program right now so to sit back and point at Alabama as some type of parallel with our program is flat-out asinine and borderline criminal.
 
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Kiffin took over the worst roster this program has seen IMO.

Crompton was a complete bust with no one to push him and the offensive line had Pope and the Sullins kids as starters. Yet, Hardesty somehow became a 1300 yard rusher.

On defense, they had Bery and Williams and that was it.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
I've been trying to control my heart rate since the implosion of the program this year. In a few weeks, the recruiting class will signing and the program will be fully engaged on what's next.

As a fan I am trying to temper my expectations. I think the program being inherited by Pruitt is in much worse shape than what any other coach has inherited at Tennessee. We have multiple players that are leaving early for the NFL and transferring to other schools.
It appears that Dormady may be one of them.

We have a lot of undeveloped Talent that has been on the team for years. Our current recruiting class is totally up in the air. It might get better, but it might not. We still have several positions of need that aren't truly filled, especially with depth.

With the Resurgence of Georgia, we now have both an Alabama Florida, and the Georgia games that are going to be harder than normal to win. I only add Florida to that list because we seem to have a jinx that prevents us from beating them even when we should. No matter how bad Florida plays we always seem to play down to their level.

I think Pruitt's rebuilding process is going to take longer than we have the patience for. I'm seeing this being at least 3 years before we realistically start being able to play at the level of SEC play that we need to be at. I just don't know if VN has the stomach for it again.
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247 Sports says we have top 20 Talent so Ill go with them.CBJ might be the worst in game /talent developer of all time.So,Ill be cautiously optimistic that Pruitt can do both,since he's been on big time stages.
7-5,8-4
 
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JohnnyBall said:
247 Sports says we have top 20 Talent so Ill go with them.CBJ might be the worst in game /talent developer of all time.So,Ill be cautiously optimistic that Pruitt can do both,since he's been on big time stages.
7-5,8-4
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taking that at face value doesn't tell the whole story.

there's some talent on this roster. and there's holes. depth is a concern almost across the board.

will need immediate contributions on the LOS on both sides of the ball, LB, CB and maybe WR.

chemistry with a new staff, new schemes, new.....everything is a larger issue, that only time will correct. how fast that time line is, will dictate a lot.
 
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2018 will be hard on Vol fans just like 2017 was, the talent is way down compared to the rest of the league:cray:
 
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