Dave Hart, the Gift that keeps on Giving

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

We'll be a 7.5 pt dog. But I'd rather have this game than done ACC opp. like NCState, UNC, or Virginia. Typical TN luck though to be facing a former Gator QB. With that narrative already feels like the football god's will not be with us. IMO Helton's plan will be ball-control...limit Grier's opportunities.

 

[Duckyvol59]

As a poster from more than 300 mi from Knoxville I will spend my money to come see a good game against a 25 opp from outside the SEC. I'm not going to do it to see UTM even if tics are $10. So if money pushes everything this is another reason to have at least 1 decent game outside the SEC.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Are you responding to the correct post?

I think I am, he keeps talking about a compelling game and I am just wondering what this game is compelling him to do or do we really want to know that level of info.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I read him as joking with me about the varying meanings of the adjective "compelling." You know, taking my meaning of the word ("to evoke interest") and intentionally misunderstanding it in its other common meaning ("to force").

I think he was just messing with me. Didn't take it as anything serious.




[Wiktionary: compelling - Wiktionary ]

Si buenos!

 

[82_VOL_83]

I don't get it, Hart got us Coach Barnes and got the department financially stable. I'm not sure why there's still so much hate towards the guy. Let's move on, it's a new era with Fulmer.

Cuz he's a bammer gump dude and we hate ever thang bammer gump!

 

[82_VOL_83]

Your closing paragraph was very interesting to me. Unfortunately, it includes the logical fallacy that there are only "two guys" you could be. The guy who (using your words) trembles in fear at the thought of playing WVa, or the guy who bucks the national convention to play an all-P5 schedule, hindering his team's chances of reaching the playoffs.

As I mentioned in my previous post, there's room in between. A lot, in fact.

Why not step up our schedule strength incrementally, and see if we can get the wider community to follow? Go from 1 P5 OOC game a year, and 3 G5/FCS games ... to 2 P5 games and 2 G5/FCS games. That doubles the OOC excitement without going way overboard to self-destructiveness?

Then, if we parley that into success, if we are rewarded for our schedule strength and innovation, perhaps other programs will follow suit. Eventually, maybe everyone will be playing two compelling OOC games each regular season.

Once we get the world there, then we can talk about going on to 3&1....

Incremental steps, brother, that's the way in this case, I think.

How about all the SEC schools schedule and additional game in conference that doesn't count as a conference game? Could that even be done?

 

[82_VOL_83]

We'll be a 7.5 pt dog. But I'd rather have this game than done ACC opp. like NCState, UNC, or Virginia. Typical TN luck though to be facing a former Gator QB. With that narrative already feels like the football god's will not be with us. IMO Helton's plan will be ball-control...limit Grier's opportunities.

pfft, plant that biotch in the first quarter a couple of times and he will be on the bench. I ain't afeared!

 

[TNinSC]

we always play a respectable power 5 opponent every season. that's one of the things that makes tennessee football great.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

How about all the SEC schools schedule and additional game in conference that doesn't count as a conference game? Could that even be done?

I do remember someone in media bringing that idea up a year or two ago, as a way to solve cross-conference rivalries that would otherwise be lost. As an example, if Auburn were to be moved to the SEC-East and Mizzou to the West, then either the Iron Bowl (Auburn-Bama) or the TSIO (Tennessee-Bama) would have to give way. UNLESS one of those games could be played "OOC" with no impact on the conference standings.

If I remember right, it wasn't even the SEC that the media type was discussing, rather was something to do with the North Carolina schools and the ACC. Could be remembering that wrong.

But yeah, it's certainly an idea, one tool that could be brought to bear if we collectively wanted to step down one level on the cupcake parade.

 

[Boca Vol]

I do remember someone in media bringing that idea up a year or two ago, as a way to solve cross-conference rivalries that would otherwise be lost. As an example, if Auburn were to be moved to the SEC-East and Mizzou to the West, then either the Iron Bowl (Auburn-Bama) or the TSIO (Tennessee-Bama) would have to give way. UNLESS one of those games could be played "OOC" with no impact on the conference standings.

If I remember right, it wasn't even the SEC that the media type was discussing, rather was something to do with the North Carolina schools and the ACC. Could be remembering that wrong.

But yeah, it's certainly an idea, one tool that could be brought to bear if we collectively wanted to step down one level on the cupcake parade.

Didn't the Lady Vols play Vandy as an OOC game back int the mid 90's? But I don't see why it couldn't be done.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Or hell, just go to a 9 game SEC schedule and get it over with. 9 SEC, 1 P5 OOC, and 2 cupcakes.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I don't think I missed your point, JGA. You think the world would be better if no Power 5 team played cupcakes. Got that.

But since every Power 5 team plays cupcakes (I mean, every single one), it's not embarrassing at all that SEC teams do. It's entirely normal. And normal means that no one has a significant advantage or disadvantage over others. Which means fair.

So I think that poster (Jaws? I think it was him) was correct. There's nothing SEC teams need apologize for, since it is an entirely normal thing that every Power 5 program does.

I get what you are saying and you're right that everyone does it.

I still think it's silly for these teams from the mega conferences scheduling the games though.

It's a money grab to fill the stadium and I guess it's good for the fans that can't afford season tickets or the 4 game packages to watch competitive conference games but these glorified scrimmages are kind of pointless.

Here's a novel idea, cut these games out and go to an expanded playoff scenario.

 

[TNnative]

Oh, I agree about the downfall of Notre Dame. Have written fairly extensively about it on these boards, in fact. They are a fading program, from being one of the giants of the college game to just another mid-western college football program.

Not even being in a conference can win them back what they've lost since their heyday. The societal undercurrents are too strongly against them. They used to be Notre Dame. Now they're just...well, Notre Dame.

My Uncle called them, "Not worth a Damn" Smart Man. RIP