Danny White CAN do nothing till April 1st

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Lucy said:
I know it sounds weird but I think Peyton might be able to help. I seem to remember they had a pretty good relationship.
I’m afraid DW will not make either of those calls too big a plate of crow.
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Neither were his decisions. Kara was Phat and doesn’t the AD thing go back to Hart? Regardless, he doesn’t really strike me as having the necessary chutzpah anyway.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Seems to me that ship has sailed. Why would she want to leave Duke? I would welcome her back but not sure Danny is the one to make that happen. A good start would be to resurrect the Women’s AD department head role. That would exhibit the type of leadership to which Kara may respond.
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Never said that ship hasn’t sailed Chuck, never said it has either. As long as that mother ship relationship exists UT owes it to themselves to milk it until the emphatic No is in any uncertain terms definite. She likely was the one for UT, might still be one day. Folks that get their feathers ruffled by anything she ever said should take a moment and give it thought. Always well spoken, always on point, always moving towards good.

You would think the fan base sees this and clamors for her return. Instead, a bunch of bs about she called out the university when in fact she did them justice and service by pointing out things that would make the school better, by being more inclusive. Good things, admirable positions. Yet the blowback on her remains large, against one of your own at that. Someone every school in America would be proud of to have as their coach. And a rising star. Instead we are here talking about two players left on a team.

I do and have noted the largest blowback on her comes from the so called “donor” types. The ones apparently with the biggest voice. Is that an issue at UT?
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Neither were his decisions. Kara was Phat and doesn’t the AD thing go back to Hart? Regardless, he doesn’t really strike me as having the necessary chutzpah anyway.
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You are correct about not DWs tenure. The crow I’m thinking about is that 1) he could have called Kara when he hired KC (we don’t know , she may have turned him down two years ago)
And 2) calling and asking Peyton Manning to help you out of a colossal screw up would be ummmmm uncomfortable.
 
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She's been here two years. One year over achieved. This year under. Yall are crazy. She gets another year. It's her job to fix it. Don't care if everyone leaves. As Rick Pitino said there are no more blue bloods
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
Well, the barricades against failure are being broken now, but to say you want a male, or a female, or a black person, or a Spanish person, or a white person, or a Chinese person, whatever, as part of your criteria for a new hire is just wrong and unfair to whomever may be the best person for the job.
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The thing is “the best person for the job” is not some objective entity, particularly for a complex job like a D1 head coach. Was Kim Caldwell the best person for the job? If you go by experience synths level no but if you looked at winning history and riding star factor, you could argue may be she was.
 
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Rooster1 said:
You would be trading down in coaching experience Mad, cannot see that happening. Next move at the HC position will be in the future, and it will be the big move where UT knows it needs to make a splash hire. AD will be firmly under the microscope on the next hire should next season not pan out to expectations for the program. AD would almost certainly be forced to go big at that point.
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Rooster, odds are you’re right. My assumption is that DW now has a headache he does not want or need. He does not gain that much from having a title contending program but he does get heat for it bring seen as a dumpster fire. So what is the easiest way out where he does not have to shoulder responsibility or invest much — CKC walks away and he has to go with Ferrara because of the timing of the portal and he brings years of overall coaching experience. But again, I have slid out a low probability scenario.
 
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Personally, I think the job is too big for a former Lady Vol. Even Kara. Anyone who played for Pat is going to be living in that shadow and that's quite a burden to bear on top of building a successful program. I think it's harder for an insider to succeed here than it is for someone from the outside. We eat our own.
 
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This is just a re-hash of things I've said before,
but…

1. Was Tara a Stanford alum? No.
2. Did Muffet earn her B.A. at Notre Dame? No.
3. Is Geno an alumnus of U of Ct.? No.
4. where did Dawn go to college? UVA ≠Uof So. Car.
 
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1reVOLver said:
This is just a re-hash of things I've said before,
but…

1. Was Tara a Stanford alum? No.
2. Did Muffet earn her B.A. at Notre Dame? No.
3. Is Geno an alumnus of U of Ct.? No.
4. where did Dawn go to college? UVA ≠Uof So. Car.
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These are the “Pat” equivalents, you didn’t list any “from tree of great coach” comparisons.
 
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madtownvol said:
This situation seems completely unsustainable. Mass defections from the program, a toxic vibe circulating across all quarters of sports media and much of the fan base and serious questions being asked about the viability of CKC's signature system. Compounding matters, there are a lot of face saving pressures in play.

So, here is my very, very, very conjectural speculation (based on no evidence)-- is it possible that right now a deal may be under negotiation for CKC to step down as head coach in order to "spend more time with her family" (a very understandable and humanizing move for a new mom) with some unspecified golden parachute package (probably less than her buyout) and Ferrara would then be named new HC. Under this scenario, DW does not have to admit to any errors and CKC avoids the stigma of being fired and the program rebuild can begin in earnest. Maybe it keeps the Big O on Rocky Top.
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I think it's unlikely.

Stepping down “to spend more time with family” framing is increasingly seen as outdated, especially when it’s applied to new mothers in high-profile leadership roles. It doesn’t really align with how programs tend to handle these situations today as it would never be the "spin" with a new father.

From a competitive standpoint, coaches at this level, especially ones like Kim who’ve had success and built a clear identity, don’t typically step away when things get difficult. They tend to double down and try to prove their system works. Gift and a curse. I don't 'think her ego will let her concede defeat quietly. She'll at least try to fight back.

From an administrative angle, making a quiet transition like that doesn’t necessarily solve the underlying issues or change the narrative around the program. If DW is protecting his own image as some say, can't see him making that move without clearly signaling that he was masterful enough to pull the trigger.
 
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Amb3096 said:
In this day and age and this political climate, I just can’t imagine it. Especially with all the discussions around the imbalance of male to female coaches and at a school with a legendary female coach.
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I used to think there was no way it would ever happen at TN. But, I don't know now. If the situation worsens after this season, the impetus might shift enough towards winning/restoration at all costs to tip the primary focus. I.e. best available. Some negative press and reaction would follow, of course, if it happened, but there's a point at which you might take the risk as long as success is definite bc winning will somewhat quiet it. Narrative shifts to - Who's really equipped to protect Pat's legacy and program? Accepting all contenders.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
These are the “Pat” equivalents, you didn’t list any “from tree of great coach” comparisons.
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I had, I confess with great shame, written at continuation, a few more wordy paragraphs about how and why UT should most seriously consider Kara. My elderly fingers slipped and it all went Poof!

I may try to reconstruct it later, but the trick ending went something like this-

It is 2029 or thereabouts. The Evil Sorcerer has finally retired. The AD in Storrs considers… Shea won't leave her most successful perch atop the Dore's program.
Ditto Dawn at So. Carolina. The blush is off the rose for Berube. Walz, who hasn't seen a Final Four in a while, wants sixteen gazillion per annum.

She extends a most generous offer to Ms, Lawson.

And, Bob's yer Uncle! That’s all she wrote.

Was it H. Rider Haggard or Louis L'amour who wrote,
The Quick and the Dead?
 
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Rooster1 said:
Never said that ship hasn’t sailed Chuck, never said it has either. As long as that mother ship relationship exists UT owes it to themselves to milk it until the emphatic No is in any uncertain terms definite. She likely was the one for UT, might still be one day. Folks that get their feathers ruffled by anything she ever said should take a moment and give it thought. Always well spoken, always on point, always moving towards good.

You would think the fan base sees this and clamors for her return. Instead, a bunch of bs about she called out the university when in fact she did them justice and service by pointing out things that would make the school better, by being more inclusive. Good things, admirable positions. Yet the blowback on her remains large, against one of your own at that. Someone every school in America would be proud of to have as their coach. And a rising star. Instead we are here talking about two players left on a team.

I do and have noted the largest blowback on her comes from the so called “donor” types. The ones apparently with the biggest voice. Is that an issue at UT?
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I also think sometimes people perceive "calling out" as disloyalty or a lack of desire to further associate with whatever it is that's been called out. (This is even more true when it hits a sensitive subject like race in the deep South.) Could be. Or, being close enough to something to care about it and having contributed and helped to build it can catalyze you to call out the things that you know would make it better. Rather than disloyalty, it can actually be an act of allegiance.

It made people uncomfortable in part bc it shined a light on something that's unjust, as it should. Integrity like that and the courage to be able to critique your own, knowing the professional and personal cost, is a strength.

Sometimes institutions/places/people that were at the top of the game start to unravel because insiders don't have the courage to tell themselves or even hear the truth about their beloved institution or program anymore. You gotta be able to say **** stinks. Along with the drive and capability to fix it. Also people and things change over time. A no at one point in time isn't necessarily a no always. Until she explicitly goes "I'm not coming" when and if the time comes, she's worth a look at that time imo.
 
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SummittSoul said:
It made people uncomfortable in part bc it shined a light on something that's unjust, as it should. Integrity like that and the courage to be able to critique your own, knowing the professional and personal cost, is a strength.
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Excellent!

My version, that I accidentally erased, was much longer, much too acerbic, and invoked Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand. You have said it with admirable brevity.

Applause!
 
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chuckiepoo said:
It wasn’t your elderly fingers. It’s an instability issue with the platform. @Freak is working to correct the auto refresh issue.
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Thanks, Chuckie. Now I can feel like a fool, rather than an old fool.

What I wrote showed great admiration for Ms. Lawson and the rest would have earned hatred from more than a few.
 
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1reVOLver said:
I had, I confess with great shame, written at continuation, a few more wordy paragraphs about how and why UT should most seriously consider Kara. My elderly fingers slipped and it all went Poof!

I may try to reconstruct it later, but the trick ending went something like this-

It is 2029 or thereabouts. The Evil Sorcerer has finally retired. The AD in Storrs considers… Shea won't leave her most successful perch atop the Dore's program.
Ditto Dawn at So. Carolina. The blush is off the rose for Berube. Walz, who hasn't seen a Final Four in a while, wants sixteen gazillion per annum.

She extends a most generous offer to Ms, Lawson.

And, Bob's yer Uncle! That’s all she wrote.

Was it H. Rider Haggard or Louis L'amour who wrote,
The Quick and the Dead?
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Think the quick and the dead was God.
 
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volfanhill said:
She's been here two years. One year over achieved. This year under. Yall are crazy. She gets another year. It's her job to fix it. Don't care if everyone leaves. As Rick Pitino said there are no more blue bloods
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What if the problem is with the coaches?

You have confidence she can fix it. I don't.
 
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