Crazy theory with our Offense struggles.

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-- DeBord and Butch are both calling plays with a gameplan in mind but when someone calls a bad play, they get more and more conservative on plays.

-- Our coaches are biased with certain players, and it doesn't matter if one player is more talented. It's seem very political at times.

-- What they practice for game is not what they play in game. They work on new plays, just to never get called and it's wasted practice time.

-- Coaches purposely created havoc with the O-line to prepare Dobbs against better defensive teams. With Dobbs scrambling, it's forcing him to make wiser decisions out of pocket. When they put in the "real" O-line, he'll have more time and everything will become slower for him.


What's your guys theories?
 
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Dougie_D said:
-- DeBord and Butch are both calling plays with a gameplan in mind but when someone calls a bad play, they get more and more conservative on plays.

-- Our coaches are biased with certain players, and it doesn't matter if one player is more talented. It's seem very political at times.

-- What they practice for game is not what they play in game. They work on new plays, just to never get called and it's wasted practice time.

-- Coaches purposely created havoc with the O-line to prepare Dobbs against better defensive teams. With Dobbs scrambling, it's forcing him to make wiser decisions out of pocket. When they put in the "real" O-line, he'll have more time and everything will become slower for him.


What's your guys theories?
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lol
 
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Dougie_D said:
-- DeBord and Butch are both calling plays with a gameplan in mind but when someone calls a bad play, they get more and more conservative on plays.

-- Our coaches are biased with certain players, and it doesn't matter if one player is more talented. It's seem very political at times.

-- What they practice for game is not what they play in game. They work on new plays, just to never get called and it's wasted practice time.

-- Coaches purposely created havoc with the O-line to prepare Dobbs against better defensive teams. With Dobbs scrambling, it's forcing him to make wiser decisions out of pocket. When they put in the "real" O-line, he'll have more time and everything will become slower for him.What's your guys theories?
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Why? So they can get him injured?
 
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If we are going with wild theories:

We have been spotting teams points on purpose because the kids respond better by "adversity" because last year we blew so many leads.
 
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Theories:

- Butch had $50k on App State +20.5 and Ohio +27
- Haslam family bribed VT, leading to 5 fumbles and a Vols victory at their sponsored game
- Shoop telling DeBord to "sandbag" so he can see how good the defense really is
- Dobbs bombed a test which has been weighing on his mind
- JRM intentionally thrown out of App State game because he wanted to go back into the locker room and play PlayStation
 
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Here's a crazy theory - we're not executing well at the LOS so plays are getting pushed into the backfield...disrupts the timing of all the blocking schemes...allows defenders to get to the hole* before the RB...prevents runners from getting up to full speed before they must shed/avoid tackles...

*hole - the theoretical opening in the defensive front...
 
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05_never_again said:
Theories:

- Butch had $50k on App State +20.5 and Ohio +27
- Haslam family bribed VT, leading to 5 fumbles and a Vols victory at their sponsored game
- Shoop telling DeBord to "sandbag" so he can see how good the defense really is
- Dobbs bombed a test which has been weighing on his mind
- JRM intentionally thrown out of App State game because he wanted to go back into the locker room and play PlayStation
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Dobbs bombed a test least likely of those options lol.
 
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There's a fine line between crazy and stupid. If you can't find that line then it's probably behind you
 
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Debord is simply not allowed to put on his magic show, CBJ will release him and we will see it this weekend.
 
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Dougie_D said:
-- DeBord and Butch are both calling plays with a gameplan in mind but when someone calls a bad play, they get more and more conservative on plays.

-- Our coaches are biased with certain players, and it doesn't matter if one player is more talented. It's seem very political at times.

-- What they practice for game is not what they play in game. They work on new plays, just to never get called and it's wasted practice time.

-- Coaches purposely created havoc with the O-line to prepare Dobbs against better defensive teams. With Dobbs scrambling, it's forcing him to make wiser decisions out of pocket. When they put in the "real" O-line, he'll have more time and everything will become slower for him.


What's your guys theories?
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Butch needs to go to his office and watch television and let someone else call the plays!
 
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Butch is making DeBord the sacrificial lamb so he can bring in Malzahn next year when he gets fired by Auburn.
 
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Did anyone see this post in another thread by Chargervol? It explains a lot.

"A lot of those things that you thought were play action, they're hitting stop routes over on the sideline, they were supposed to be runs. And Dobbs just pulled it and threw it. And that was the decision of him.
If you watch, the offensive line were being very aggressive because THEY THINK Hurd or Kamara is getting the ball."


The second point being our "conservative" play calling is more Dobbs than Debord according to Kyler
And I quote.... first the question.
John
"So the criticism that Mike Debord is too conservative... where do you stand?"

Kyler
"It's up to Dobbs. I mean I love the guy" several more compliments - "but he decides who is getting the ball, who is running, who is catching... It really is up to him".

Kyler Kerbyson

All the comments and questions about our offense and this seems to be the most insight we have ever received.
 
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My theory is that, for whatever reason, our offensive coaching staff has not been able to settle in on an offensive philosoophy or identity and that's exacerbating the struggles of our OL, RB, and QB.
 
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weallvol said:
Did anyone see this post in another thread by Chargervol? It explains a lot.

"A lot of those things that you thought were play action, they're hitting stop routes over on the sideline, they were supposed to be runs. And Dobbs just pulled it and threw it. And that was the decision of him.
If you watch, the offensive line were being very aggressive because THEY THINK Hurd or Kamara is getting the ball."


The second point being our "conservative" play calling is more Dobbs than Debord according to Kyler
And I quote.... first the question.
John
"So the criticism that Mike Debord is too conservative... where do you stand?"

Kyler
"It's up to Dobbs. I mean I love the guy" several more compliments - "but he decides who is getting the ball, who is running, who is catching... It really is up to him".

Kyler Kerbyson

All the comments and questions about our offense and this seems to be the most insight we have ever received.
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This quote falls on deaf ears. In my view, which can be wrong - the offense play has adjustments for every defensive alignment. The coaches change personnel and sets (providing a personnel or scheme advantage), while the basic play is set at the line of scrimmage by the QB based on what he reads (exercising the personnel or scheme advantage) and the O-Line has to block for run/pass/option on every play.

Being the only VN person that has this opinion, we have a solid and talented O-Line. They have to block for pass/run/option on each play. The flexible offensive play scheme requires quick decisions, since the O-Line is not clearly pass blocking or run blocking. My proof is that we are in clear passing situation or I formations (clear running), we do pretty well.

Fire away
 
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Butch is not a good gameday coach.
Butch hired a has been to run his O.
Butch will waste a timeout or two.
Butch will keep notes about everyone that didn't slurp at the altar.


Just a theory, several years in the making...
 
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Dougie_D said:
-- DeBord and Butch are both calling plays with a gameplan in mind but when someone calls a bad play, they get more and more conservative on plays.

-- Our coaches are biased with certain players, and it doesn't matter if one player is more talented. It's seem very political at times.

-- What they practice for game is not what they play in game. They work on new plays, just to never get called and it's wasted practice time.

-- Coaches purposely created havoc with the O-line to prepare Dobbs against better defensive teams. With Dobbs scrambling, it's forcing him to make wiser decisions out of pocket. When they put in the "real" O-line, he'll have more time and everything will become slower for him.







What's your guys theories?
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will the real oline please stand up soon!:clapping:
 
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Wylo said:
Butch is not a good gameday coach.
Butch hired a has been to run his O.
Butch will waste a timeout or two.
Butch will keep notes about everyone that didn't slurp at the altar.


Just a theory, several years in the making...
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I won't argue with you
 
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My theory.
Butch doesn't belong in the SEC.

But, I'm going to give him one more chance to prove me wrong this weekend.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Here's a crazy theory - we're not executing well at the LOS so plays are getting pushed into the backfield...disrupts the timing of all the blocking schemes...allows defenders to get to the hole* before the RB...prevents runners from getting up to full speed before they must shed/avoid tackles...

*hole - the theoretical opening in the defensive front...
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I literally lol. Wild theory sir:eek:lol:
 
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