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[The Dude]

It'd be foolish to suggest that a HS coach has indepth knowledge and familiarity with each and every player in the state - enough so to difinitively state that Montori is the "hands down best player in the state".

I realize watching online videos and evaluating summer camp statistics makes one a football scouting genius, but I think you discredit a HS footabll coaches knowledge way too much. I guarantee he's forgotten more about football than the "scouts" on ESPN or Rivals. The coach probably watched the videos of the other guys in state and made his own judgement, just like the recruiting services do.

His coach is biased in that Montori is his guy. Montori is a guy he's sent into battle, who's he has watched grow and develop. Naturally there is a bit of loyalty there.

Meanwhile, those without the personal connection to the player suggest he's either a 2* or 3*, depending on where you look.

If you don't think Rivals and Scout are biased, you need to keep up. Players' rankings are always changing based on such applicable factors like where he commits and how much access the players give to the services.

So you lack the ability to decide for yourself what you do and do not find attractive?

If a "Hollywood talent agent" called you on the phone and told you Rosie O'Donnell was a fox, would you suddenly pop wood watching The View?

Also, being gorgeous isn't a "talent". So why would a Hollywood talent agents say in the matter have anything to do with it at all?

I was saying if I've never seen the girl. Therefore I wouldn't know what she looked like.

I've seen Rosie so that's a horrible example.

Hollywood agents gauge hot women (by our society's standards) all day. I'll go with his opinion any day over your average Joe, that's why I used that as an example.

 

[VolsDeep]

I realize watching online videos and evaluating summer camp statistics makes one a football scouting genius, but I think you discredit a HS footabll coaches knowledge way too much. I guarantee he's forgotten more about football than the "scouts" on ESPN or Rivals. The coach probably watched the videos of the other guys in state and made his own judgement, just like the recruiting services do.



If you don't think Rivals and Scout are biased, you need to keep up. Players' rankings are always changing based on such applicable factors like where he commits and how much access the players give to the services.



I was saying if I've never seen the girl. Therefore I wouldn't know what she looked like.

I've seen Rosie so that's a horrible example.

Hollywood agents gauge hot women (by our society's standards) all day. I'll go with his opinion any day over your average Joe, that's why I used that as an example.

If I follow your analogy correctly then the Hollywood agents would be Rivals, Scouts, ESPN right?

Whereas an individual's agent would be similar to a HS coach. They are around it all, but in the end have a personal reason for hyping up one of "their own"....

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I think you discredit a HS footabll coaches knowledge way too much.

Not at all, but to suggest that a singular high school coach has a read on every individual football player in his respective state, enough to difinitively declare that his guy is the best of the bunch, is purely myopic homerism.

The coach probably watched the videos of the other guys in state and made his own judgement, just like the recruiting services do.

You know how many high schools there are in Tennessee? Somewhere north of 300 if I remember correctly.

So you mean to tell me that this coach spent hours upon hours breaking down multiple game films from each and every individual school, and taking notes on each and every individual player at each respective school, to the point where he felt comfortable in declaring that HIS player was hands down the best?

Yeah, I guess it's possible he did do that. k:

I bet you also believed your mom when she used to tell you you were the most handsomest little boy in the world.

Feel free to use common sense at any time.

 

[General Jack]

We played in two, and keep in mind that having the 10th best recruits in the nation becomes skewed when 2 (and in some years 3 if you include SC) of your division rivals have better recruiting rankings than you, i.e. Florida and Georgia.

It would be one thing to average out at 10th best in the nation and we are playing in the ACC, but averaging out at 10th best in the nation usually means you are 4th or 5th best in the SEC.

Which still should have been more than adequate to pound Maryland, Clemson, Vandy, Notre Dame and UCLA into the ground over that same time period, not to mention getting embarrassed by florida and bama.

 

[The Dude]

Not at all, but to suggest that a singular high school coach has a read on every individual football player in his respective state, enough to difinitively declare that his guy is the best of the bunch, is purely myopic homerism.

You know how many high schools there are in Tennessee? Somewhere north of 300 if I remember correctly.

So you mean to tell me that this coach spent hours upon hours breaking down multiple game films from each and every individual school, and taking notes on each and every individual player at each respective school, to the point where he felt comfortable in declaring that HIS player was hands down the best?

Yeah, I guess it's possible he did do that. k:

I bet you also believed your mom when she used to tell you you were the most handsomest little boy in the world.

Feel free to use common sense at any time.

The online evaluation services don't break down film from every team/player in the state, so why would I require a coach to to that in order to have more credibility?

You are as clueless as I suspected.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

The online evaluation services don't break down film from every team/player in the state, so why would I require a coach to to that in order to have more credibility?

I'm not just talking about "online evaluation services".

In fact, I don't particularly care how they or anyone else ranked Montori.

My original statement was that I believe the coach was lacking objectivity (as well as the neccessary indepth knowledge of each player in his state) to definitively declare that his guy was the best the state had to offer.

And that is true.

If you want to be a myopic homer, then so be it.

You are as clueless as I suspected.

I'm clueless because I don't buy the fact that some Joe Schmoe coach can accurately state that HIS player is hands down the best in the state?

If you say so.

 

[The Dude]

I'm not just talking about "online evaluation services".

In fact, I don't particularly care how they or anyone else ranked Montori.

My original statement was that I believe the coach was lacking objectivity (as well as the neccessary indepth knowledge of each player in his state) to definitively declare that his guy was the best the state had to offer.

And that is true.

If you want to be a myopic homer, then so be it.




I'm clueless because I don't buy the fact that some Joe Schmoe coach can accurately state that HIS player is hands down the best in the state?

If you say so.

No, you're clueless because you think that someone has to watch tape of Red Boling Springs or some other historically awful team in order to determine who the best one is. And you know nothing of my mother. Those two prove you're clueless.

 

[VolsDeep]

Which still should have been more than adequate to pound Maryland, Clemson, Vandy, Notre Dame and UCLA into the ground over that same time period, not to mention getting embarrassed by florida and bama.

Well, again to be fair Notre Dame was better than us when we played them, and in 2004 Ainge and Schaeffer did not play much because of injuries. And during that timespan we actually did beat Florida and Alabama, as well as Miami, LSU, Georgia multiple times, Wisconsin, Michigan, California, Texas A&M, etc. These are only in reference to the fact that you mentioned teams that we had lost to. In no way do I think beating these teams gives Fulmer or how our football team performed over the past 6 years a free-pass, but you have to look at the larger picture, rather than pick and choose what you want to look at. You mention our losses to Maryland and Clemson without mentioning the wins we had against out of conference teams, and that is why your argument is more personal and subjective than factual and objective.

The best team on paper doesn't always win. If that is what it takes for you to respect a coach or a team then good luck.

 

[kptvol]

So you mean to tell me that this coach spent hours upon hours breaking down multiple game films from each and every individual school, and taking notes on each and every individual player at each respective school, to the point where he felt comfortable in declaring that HIS player was hands down the best?

I imagine he saw the talent his team was playing and surmised that Montori was head and shoulders better than all of them. He then made an educated assumption, based on what he'd seen from the guys Rivals proclaimed as the top prospects, that Montori was also superior to those guys and likely the best player in the state.

 

[kptvol]

My original statement was that I believe the coach was lacking objectivity (as well as the neccessary indepth knowledge of each player in his state) to definitively declare that his guy was the best the state had to offer.

And that is true.

That is a possibility, not a fact. Plenty of UT faithful will tell you we aren't going to win that many games next year, or some player is overrated, etc. There are plenty of objective guys out there.

And if you really want to use your paramaters as to what knowledge is "necessary" then there isn't a human on the planet qualified to even rank the top 10 players in the state.

 

[dubcfan]

Oh, so Montori has been proven to be the "hands down best player in the state of Tennessee?"

Thank you for clearing that up.

:crazy:


As an aside, my wife is the most beautiful woman on the entire country. She just never got a chance to enter all those pageants.

It has been said, therefore it is now officially a FACT!

I seen this kid play 3 or 4 times. He's a beast, by the far the best highschool player I have ever seen. I was wondering at the time why he didn't have more offers. He played in 5A in the same region with Smyrna and Riverdale so it's not like he wasn't playing top competition.