Cover 3 Pattern Match

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Caleb59seal said:
What is slow shuffle? And I like back pedal too but I am a Cover 3 side shuffle so there is no "T" turns I think the less you have to completely flip your hips the more likely you are to be successful as a CB... The only thing with the Half turn on a WR is you have to be really good at feeling the Receiver...
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I may be wrong, but when you said slow shuffle, I assumed you meant side shuffle. Which is why I don't like it. I want players staying square as long as possible so they can break forward or outside easier and so they can see more of the field. When you open your hips you limit your vision along with your ability to break to the opposite side
 
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Vol8188 said:
I may be wrong, but when you said slow shuffle, I assumed you meant side shuffle. Which is why I don't like it. I want players staying square as long as possible so they can break forward or outside easier and so they can see more of the field. When you open your hips you limit your vision along with your ability to break to the opposite side
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Ya I am about 95% positive that slow shuffle isn't a thing... The BreakerBoy said that what he teaches... Is that guy a legit CB coach?

And yea I know what you mean I use the divider rules on stance usually if he is at or outside the numbers we will run shuffle with an outside shade because we like to pattern match and that is when we are playing cover 3 or Cover 6 on the quarter quarter side.... Obviously I am not going to play pattern match with cover 6 but with cover 3... I am thinking about doing it with an inverted Tampa 2 because I have this hybrid guy like a mix between a SS and a Will.... I am thinking about running dime inverted Tampa 2... It will be kinda like 2 blue solo rules with hybrid lining up as mike an taking first thing deep over the middle and will taking first thing breaking to the flats and kinda bracketing a hi lo read with at Safety and the will that I mentioned.... There is this stack alignment that beats us and I think I will use it against the or a flair screen... What you think? Make since?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I have. I prefer back pedal. I want their hips parallel to the line of scrimmage as long as possible
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Glad you have sir. It should be used as a set up technique instead of a primary one. I'm with you as far as preferring the backpedal and stim/T step breaks out of CBs. And bring extremely aggressive on driving on slant routes especially with safety help.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Ya I am about 95% positive that slow shuffle isn't a thing... The BreakerBoy said that what he teaches... Is that guy a legit CB coach?

And yea I know what you mean I use the divider rules on stance usually if he is at or outside the numbers we will run shuffle with an outside shade because we like to pattern match and that is when we are playing cover 3 or Cover 6 on the quarter quarter side.... Obviously I am not going to play pattern match with cover 6 but with cover 3... I am thinking about doing it with an inverted Tampa 2 because I have this hybrid guy like a mix between a SS and a Will.... I am thinking about running dime inverted Tampa 2... It will be kinda like 2 blue solo rules with hybrid lining up as mike an taking first thing deep over the middle and will taking first thing breaking to the flats and kinda bracketing a hi lo read with at Safety and the will that I mentioned.... There is this stack alignment that beats us and I think I will use it against the or a flair screen... What you think? Make since?
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Why are you worried about my guys brother? I don't usually even post over here but I also didn't start that DB convo up. I starting to ask you if you were legit not knowing what a slow shuffle was but decided to leave it alone.

And I personally think if you're going to run a Tampa 2 style defense your CBs would do very well learning how to slow shuffle. That way they can really play the flats without leaving a big window if WR.1 goes vertical while a back is in the flats.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Honestly, we man up on RPO teams. They try to put my inside defenders in a bind with their run/pass responsibilities. So I just take away their pass responsibilities and let the inside linebackers play run. We will either play C1 or C0 if we see a lot of RPO's.
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I agree with this. All you do is play the responsibility and force the ball to where the guy that's the least dangerous has it in his possession. Also punish that QB early so he can start making faster decisions with the ball. I personally like to force the short throw options and rally to the football. A physical defense can cause headaches if they play disciplined.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Why are you worried about my guys brother? I don't usually even post over here but I also didn't start that DB convo up. I starting to ask you if you were legit not knowing what a slow shuffle was but decided to leave it alone.

And I personally think if you're going to run a Tampa 2 style defense your CBs would do very well learning how to slow shuffle. That way they can really play the flats without leaving a big window if WR.1 goes vertical while a back is in the flats.
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Dude I was going to leave it alone but you still have not explained what a slow shuffle is.... Not one time. And Vol8188 hasn't heard of it either because he thought I typed side shuffle.... I'm not saying your not legit but I have never met a coach or teacher who is hesitant to tell what a certain technique does... Heck I can tell you exactly what a lot of techniques do just not anything about a slow shuffle because I have never heard of it before... Don't question my legitimacy because I am legit and I believe you are too just sounded fishy when you didn't give me the details of the "slow shuffle" my apologies.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Why are you worried about my guys brother? I don't usually even post over here but I also didn't start that DB convo up. I starting to ask you if you were legit not knowing what a slow shuffle was but decided to leave it alone.

And I personally think if you're going to run a Tampa 2 style defense your CBs would do very well learning how to slow shuffle. That way they can really play the flats without leaving a big window if WR.1 goes vertical while a back is in the flats.
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Well we always play low to high whenever we play and kind of cover 2 it is more on the philosophy of catch small and rally to the ball.... I'm trying to work out the kinks of this tamp 2 idea... I'm liking the banjo option just working on the rules to implement it... What do you teach technique wise if your CB's get or check to a banjo call..?
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Well we always play low to high whenever we play and kind of cover 2 it is more on the philosophy of catch small and rally to the ball.... I'm trying to work out the kinks of this tamp 2 idea... I'm liking the banjo option just working on the rules to implement it... What do you teach technique wise if your CB's get or check to a banjo call..?
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What my underneath defenders do in cover 2 is essentially banjo. We have an inside and an outside player and they get into position where they can see both and break on whoever comes to them.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What my underneath defenders do in cover 2 is essentially banjo. We have an inside and an outside player and they get into position where they can see both and break on whoever comes to them.
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Is it typically backers that cover that? You think it would be hard to implement Tampa 2 with a banjo call? The only way I think I can do it is just make my CB a force player and my Safety my alley player but that is a lot of grass to cover if you have someone deep on you.... And then make either my nickel and Sam the banjo players with my hybrid guy playing mike linebacker and cover his essential MOF responsibility.... I just think if we ever get a draw on that play we will probably get screwed pretty bad.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Is it typically backers that cover that? You think it would be hard to implement Tampa 2 with a banjo call? The only way I think I can do it is just make my CB a force player and my Safety my alley player but that is a lot of grass to cover if you have someone deep on you.... And then make either my nickel and Sam the banjo players with my hybrid guy playing mike linebacker and cover his essential MOF responsibility.... I just think if we ever get a draw on that play we will probably get screwed pretty bad.
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That's why I only run 2 as a pass defense (3rd down). Even then I prefer 1 (forces the ball outside, tougher throw). I use 2 a lot in late game situations or end of half. But I wouldn't feel comfortable using it as a base. Trying to be an alley player and play deep half is almost impossible unless you have some studs at safety.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's why I only run 2 as a pass defense (3rd down). Even then I prefer 1 (forces the ball outside, tougher throw). I use 2 a lot in late game situations or end of half. But I wouldn't feel comfortable using it as a base. Trying to be an alley player and play deep half is almost impossible unless you have some studs at safety.
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Yea I am with you with 1 and 2.... You do you play cover 3? And yea we have this one guy with pretty good body control and he is pretty quick twich but I don't even know if he could that... I will try it with some garbage time we have.... Lol and that's not very promising..
Hey do you know of any good resources about creating Passing plays for specific coverages or man? Trying to get a better understanding of exactly what these guys are trying to do to manipulate our guys rules in coverage....
 
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