Could this be one of the major issues with the staff?

[BigOrangeTrain]

I was talking with a friend and we were discussing the Vols. Specifically the coaching staff. I started thinking about what Pruitt looks for in a coach. I know Pruitt likes guys that can recruit. But, could that be a potential problem? Could he be putting too much emphasis on the recruiting and not enough on the coaching side?

I agree we need recruiters but do all the big time programs have a staff full of really good recruiters? I could be wrong but I think Pruitt might be putting too much focus in the wrong direction.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I was talking with a friend and we were discussing the Vols. Specifically the coaching staff. I started thinking about what Pruitt looks for in a coach. I know Pruitt likes guys that can recruit. But, could that be a potential problem? Could he be putting too much emphasis on the recruiting and not enough on the coaching side?

I agree we need recruiters but do all the big time programs have a staff full of really good recruiters? I could be wrong but I think Pruitt might be putting too much focus in the wrong direction.

He lost some seasoned experienced SEC coaches and replaced them with Brum (fired), Osovet and Felton (no SEC assistant experience). Combine that with Nieds in new position, Weinke, and Friend and you have the recipe for underperforming staff.

 

[1vol8]

I was talking with a friend and we were discussing the Vols. Specifically the coaching staff. I started thinking about what Pruitt looks for in a coach. I know Pruitt likes guys that can recruit. But, could that be a potential problem? Could he be putting too much emphasis on the recruiting and not enough on the coaching side?

I agree we need recruiters but do all the big time programs have a staff full of really good recruiters? I could be wrong but I think Pruitt might be putting too much focus in the wrong direction.

He’s gotten proven winners that have a track record that speak for themselves. The problem is micro management. If he steps off and let’s these guys do their jobs without his strong arming I bet the team shows improvement almost immediately.

 

[T2Vol]

Tracy Rocker was a prime example. He did a great job developing our D Line but Pruitt told him to hit the road since he wasn’t recruiting.

Unfortunately you can’t have coaches on staff that don’t recruit, especially when you’re trying to rebuild a program.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

He’s gotten proven winners that have a track record that speak for themselves. .

How true is this statement though?

Ansley - Never a coordinator before here
Chaney - Does have long track record
Martin - Does have long track record. Might be out of position though.
Graham - Does have long track record
Nieds - New to ILB position. Great recruiter. Questionable on field coach
Osovet - No SEC assistant experience
Felton - No SEC assistant experience
Friend - Seen our OL the past 3 years?
Weinke - Disaster. Seen our QB the last 2 years. Brought in for IMG pipeline which has been dud
Brum - Fired. Was worse X/O guy than Rocker

 

[Hacksaw]

I'm slowly becoming convinced that Pruitt is the problem. We keep hearing about how much we ask of the QB in our system and how JG has the best grasp of the offense in practice. Then, JG proves unable to have success in the games. Simplifying the gameplan has been suggested by many, but Pruitt seems unwilling to do that. He also seems insistent on using practice performance to dictate playing time. On the one hand, that seems reasonable. But it's clearly not working and he doesn't seem willing to adjust to the reality of the situation.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Weinke hasn't done crap from a recruiting standpoint, nor as a QB coach obviously...though he just became QB coach in the off-season...so I guess he had about half a fall camp, without HB except for about 1 week, to try and get the QBs ready. If we do not have either Maurer or HB ready to play by the end of the season though...Weinke needs to hit the damn road

Don't think Chaney has done much in recruiting either honestly....and based ONLY on the fact that he has had many offenses average 30 plus points per game in the past, I am willing to cut him some slack....simply because JG is THE WORST starting QB in the history of UT football...and he could make and coach look bad. The numbers prove that....starting with his 9 and 18 record as a starter. With all the talent that we now have at WR and RB, if our offense is garbage again next season without JG here to destroy it and morale both....Chaney needs to hit the damn road too

 

[1vol8]

How true is this statement though?

Ansley - Never a coordinator before here
Chaney - Does have long track record
Martin - Does have long track record. Might be out of position though.
Graham - Does have long track record
Nieds - New to ILB position. Great recruiter. Questionable on field coach
Osovet - No SEC assistant experience
Felton - No SEC assistant experience
Friend - Seen our OL the past 3 years?
Weinke - Disaster. Seen our QB the last 2 years. Brought in for IMG pipeline which has been dud
Brum - Fired. Was worse X/O guy than Rocker

Every word is true but I think most if not all of us have been in a position at some point in our lives that we were micro managed by someone unqualified to do the jobs we do. If this has happened to you, how did you perform?

My point is Pruitt is a defensive coordinator. If he micro manages the defense? I understand. I agree with that because he’s as proven on that side of the ball as Cheney is on offense. Pruitt telling Cheney who is qb is GOING to be is the same thing as Cheney telling Pruitt who his defensive backs should be. And How much would you trust a Cheney picked DB?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

How true is this statement though?

Ansley - Never a coordinator before here
Chaney - Does have long track record
Martin - Does have long track record. Might be out of position though.
Graham - Does have long track record
Nieds - New to ILB position. Great recruiter. Questionable on field coach
Osovet - No SEC assistant experience
Felton - No SEC assistant experience
Friend - Seen our OL the past 3 years?
Weinke - Disaster. Seen our QB the last 2 years. Brought in for IMG pipeline which has been dud
Brum - Fired. Was worse X/O guy than Rocker

I think Osovet needs to be our QB coach and Weinke needs to go. Osovet has a proven track record just not in the SEC...he is widely respected in the coaching field as an innovator and teacher of schemes etc...supposed to be a brilliant X/O guy.

Again, in Weinkes defense, he was RB coach last year, right?? So he had half of a fall camp at best ...with HB there for about a week. Willing to cut him some slack...these QBs should be spending the nights at his house though, studying playbooks and watching tape. Daily. Every day. They have a chance to play their way into the NFL and be millionaires....what more motivation does a kid need?? Peyton used to infamously lock the other QBs out of the film room to study at night Lol....where is that dedication now?..

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I think Osovet needs to be our QB coach and Weinke needs to go. Osovet has a proven track record just not in the SEC...he is widely respected in the coaching field as an innovator and teacher of schemes etc...supposed to be a brilliant X/O guy.

Again, in Weinkes defense, he was RB coach last year, right?? So he had half of a fall camp at best ...with HB there for about a week. Willing to cut him some slack...these QBs should be spending the nights at his house though, studying playbooks and watching tape. Daily. Every day. They have a chance to play their way into the NFL and be millionaires....what more motivation does a kid need?? Peyton used to infamously lock the other QBs out of the film room to study at night Lol....where is that dedication now?..

Regarding Osovet, you may be right but there's a huge difference in coaching JC ball in New York State and coaching in the SEC. You aren't seeing any of this brillance on offense and through no fault of his own (likely), our tight ends stink.

Weinke was QB coach last year as well. He was brought in for IMG connections and to coach QBs. To be polite, he's been a dud.

Ultimately, the best recruiting tactic in the SEC is winning (and cash). I think we are seeing this year how important having a great X/O guy is at times (see our DL)

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Regarding Osovet, you may be right but there's a huge difference in coaching JC ball in New York State and coaching in the SEC. You aren't seeing any of this brillance on offense and through no fault of his own (likely), our tight ends stink.

Weinke was QB coach last year as well. He was brought in for IMG connections and to coach QBs. To be polite, he's been a dud.

Ultimately, the best recruiting tactic in the SEC is winning (and cash). I think we are seeing this year how important having a great X/O guy is at times (see our DL)

Weinke has to go then. I was wrong..thanks...he has had a full season with Maurer and Shrout...and neither 1 of them is ready to play??? Neither can beat out JG??? Unless we just got super unlucky and those 2 are dumb as a bag of hammers, making them unable to learn the playbook, protections, pre snap reads, etc...unless both are stereotypical "dumb jocks"....there is absolutely NO excuse for them not being ready to play ball. JG is a damn joke of a QB...Weinke needs to go ASAP

 

[DaddyChad]

Weinke hasn't done crap from a recruiting standpoint, nor as a QB coach obviously...though he just became QB coach in the off-season...so I guess he had about half a fall camp, without HB except for about 1 week, to try and get the QBs ready. If we do not have either Maurer or HB ready to play by the end of the season though...Weinke needs to hit the damn road

Don't think Chaney has done much in recruiting either honestly....and based ONLY on the fact that he has had many offenses average 30 plus points per game in the past, I am willing to cut him some slack....simply because JG is THE WORST starting QB in the history of UT football...and he could make and coach look bad. The numbers prove that....starting with his 9 and 18 record as a starter. With all the talent that we now have at WR and RB, if our offense is garbage again next season without JG here to destroy it and morale both....Chaney needs to hit the damn road too

Chaney is handicapped. Pretty obvious when we’re running a lot on third and long. Pruitt is the problem right now.

 

[Lane Train 4]

Weinke hasn't done crap from a recruiting standpoint

 

[orangemadam]

Why do you think JG won't 'be back to destroy it"?

He has another year left. Why wouldn't CJP start JG next season, since he looked so good against ALA? Obviously Pruitt thinks JG is improving.

 

[orangemadam]

Don't think Chaney has done much in recruiting either honestly....and based ONLY on the fact that he has had many offenses average 30 plus points per game in the past, I am willing to cut him some slack....simply because JG is THE WORST starting QB in the history of UT football...and he could make and coach look bad. The numbers prove that....starting with his 9 and 18 record as a starter. With all the talent that we now have at WR and RB, if our offense is garbage again next season without JG here to destroy it and morale both....Chaney needs to hit the damn road too[/QUOTE]


Why would you think JG won't "be here to destroy it" ? He has another year left. Obviously Pruitt thinks he is improving because of his play against Bama. Most likely he'll be starting next season if he doesn't implode.

 

[njvols]

I'm slowly becoming convinced that Pruitt is the problem. We keep hearing about how much we ask of the QB in our system and how JG has the best grasp of the offense in practice. Then, JG proves unable to have success in the games. Simplifying the gameplan has been suggested by many, but Pruitt seems unwilling to do that. He also seems insistent on using practice performance to dictate playing time. On the one hand, that seems reasonable. But it's clearly not working and he doesn't seem willing to adjust to the reality of the situation.

My big issue is we always seem to stay with the "didn't get the reps" or "not ready". Other teams seem to figure this out. So, it's either development is sub-par, or playbook is too complicated, or player ability or all of the above. Logic says this should be a good year for JG w/ second year w/ same coordinator, but logic and Vols don't seem to line up. I'm also a Giant's fan, so I'm in football fan purgatory. Thought this article was hilarious, paralleling Daniel Jones trip w/ Vols current state.
‘It’s The Hope That Kills You.’

 

[CAVPUT]

I'm slowly becoming convinced that Pruitt is the problem. We keep hearing about how much we ask of the QB in our system and how JG has the best grasp of the offense in practice. Then, JG proves unable to have success in the games. Simplifying the gameplan has been suggested by many, but Pruitt seems unwilling to do that. He also seems insistent on using practice performance to dictate playing time. On the one hand, that seems reasonable. But it's clearly not working and he doesn't seem willing to adjust to the reality of the situation.

Exactly. If your talent/playmakers are young and haven't grasped your so-called system, simplify it. Get your playmakers on the field doing what they're capable of.

 

[greenwheel]

Weinke hasn't done crap from a recruiting standpoint, nor as a QB coach obviously...though he just became QB coach in the off-season...so I guess he had about half a fall camp, without HB except for about 1 week, to try and get the QBs ready. If we do not have either Maurer or HB ready to play by the end of the season though...Weinke needs to hit the damn road

Don't think Chaney has done much in recruiting either honestly....and based ONLY on the fact that he has had many offenses average 30 plus points per game in the past, I am willing to cut him some slack....simply because JG is THE WORST starting QB in the history of UT football...and he could make and coach look bad. The numbers prove that....starting with his 9 and 18 record as a starter. With all the talent that we now have at WR and RB, if our offense is garbage again next season without JG here to destroy it and morale both....Chaney needs to hit the damn road too

Weinke moved to QB coach last season when Tee Martin was hired to coach WR. David Johnson moved from WR coach to RB coach.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I'm slowly becoming convinced that Pruitt is the problem. We keep hearing about how much we ask of the QB in our system and how JG has the best grasp of the offense in practice. Then, JG proves unable to have success in the games. Simplifying the gameplan has been suggested by many, but Pruitt seems unwilling to do that. He also seems insistent on using practice performance to dictate playing time. On the one hand, that seems reasonable. But it's clearly not working and he doesn't seem willing to adjust to the reality of the situation.

I haven't beena CJP fan from the get-go but this notion that you play guys who do not perform in practice is asinine. Pruitt is dead on accurate for insosting you perform all week if you plan on seeing thr field in a starting role on Saturdays.


If you cant perform in practice how the hell can a coach trust you to perform when the score is being kept. If there are players on the team who think theyre still in HS and can half ass it all week amd still be better than the competition on Saturday...they need to be kept on the bench

 

[whodeycin85]

I haven't beena CJP fan from the get-go but this notion that you play guys who do not perform in practice is asinine. Pruitt is dead on accurate for insosting you perform all week if you plan on seeing thr field in a starting role on Saturdays.


If you cant perform in practice how the hell can a coach trust you to perform when the score is being kept. If there are players on the team who think theyre still in HS and can half ass it all week amd still be better than the competition on Saturday...they need to be kept on the bench

How are you supposed to perform in practice when you don't get a chance too...thats the issue...none of the younger guys are getting an opportunity for reps..and what little they do get they have a short leash...how does that help?

 

[Remy]

How true is this statement though?

Ansley - Never a coordinator before here
Chaney - Does have long track record
Martin - Does have long track record. Might be out of position though.
Graham - Does have long track record
Nieds - New to ILB position. Great recruiter. Questionable on field coach
Osovet - No SEC assistant experience
Felton - No SEC assistant experience
Friend - Seen our OL the past 3 years?
Weinke - Disaster. Seen our QB the last 2 years. Brought in for IMG pipeline which has been dud
Brum - Fired. Was worse X/O guy than Rocker

He's made the Fulmer. Replacing top notch assistants with a bunch of also rans.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

I think Pruitt's micromanagement is really hurting him, as it did Butch. I was believing Pruitt was different and was not insecure like Butch was and would not be afraid to get the best coaches out there but it doesn't seem to be that way.

 

[Hacksaw]

I haven't beena CJP fan from the get-go but this notion that you play guys who do not perform in practice is asinine. Pruitt is dead on accurate for insosting you perform all week if you plan on seeing thr field in a starting role on Saturdays.


If you cant perform in practice how the hell can a coach trust you to perform when the score is being kept. If there are players on the team who think theyre still in HS and can half ass it all week amd still be better than the competition on Saturday...they need to be kept on the bench

Like I said, under normal circumstances that's reasonable. These aren't normal circumstances for a lot of reasons. And I think it's a big stretch to suggest that everyone on the roster who hasn't played has been half-ass'ing it. It's probably more complicated than that.

 

[JohnWardForever]

He’s gotten proven winners that have a track record that speak for themselves. The problem is micro management. If he steps off and let’s these guys do their jobs without his strong arming I bet the team shows improvement almost immediately.

Wow! You mean CJP Is Just Like PHIL? Micromanager?

 

[cobbwebb0710]

How true is this statement though?

Ansley - Never a coordinator before here
Chaney - Does have long track record
Martin - Does have long track record. Might be out of position though.
Graham - Does have long track record
Nieds - New to ILB position. Great recruiter. Questionable on field coach
Osovet - No SEC assistant experience
Felton - No SEC assistant experience
Friend - Seen our OL the past 3 years?
Weinke - Disaster. Seen our QB the last 2 years. Brought in for IMG pipeline which has been dud
Brum - Fired. Was worse X/O guy than Rocker

How can I put this without coming off as too judgmental?
I don’t think one single coach on this staff have done $#!%
I can’t point to one single position over the past 2 seasons and say, those guys have really improved.
GBO!!