Could it be

[BULLET VOL]

With all these threads discussing our issue of not being able to score points. People blaming head coach, assistant coach this and that. Maybe just maybe could it be that our players just cant shoot very good? We get wide open looks and we just cant knock down what should be a very makeable shot. The other issue is that the players should recognize when the are not shooting very well. At one point we were like 1 for 17 from the 3 point line and we just kept firing them up there. When they should have took some midrange shots or tried to get the ball to the rim. If it was not for a few made midrange shots early in the 2nd half we would have taken a L.

 

[allenfan1]

With all these threads discussing our issue of not being able to score points. People blaming head coach, assistant coach this and that. Maybe just maybe could it be that our players just cant shoot very good? We get wide open looks and we just cant knock down what should be a very makeable shot. The other issue is that the players should recognize when the are not shooting very well. At one point we were like 1 for 17 from the 3 point line and we just kept firing them up there. When they should have took some midrange shots or tried to get the ball to the rim. If it was not for a few made midrange shots early in the 2nd half we would have taken a L.

Often times they give up better shots early in the clock than they are able to get later

 

[cgrish]

Often times they give up better shots early in the clock than they are able to get later

I have been saying the same thing. Many times we pass up a good shot because it is too early in the shot clock to suit Barnes. And also we should fast break more, we have the speed to do that and get more transitional points.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

I mean yea man.. we have no shooters

 

[BallerVolFan]

Transition is a bad shooting team’s best friend. However, this is one of the areas where I don’t really side with Barnes. I believe his guys are hesitant to get out and run any time they can because he has a short leash with turnovers and bad shots. And sometimes when the pace increases, the likelihood of turning the ball over and taking a bad shot increases.

With this team though, they’re either on or they’re not. There’s no in between, so I believe it to be pretty simple. When the offense is struggling like the past two games, you have to take every chance that’s given to you. If there are opportunities to run, take it. And Barnes will have to live with some turnovers if they are to happen. Because IMO, there’s no difference in a turnover and a missed shot especially when we are shooting < 30%. Increasing the pace and creating some offense in transition will create some momentum and confidence. Don’t have to do it all the time but almost every possession in the games we struggle to score in, we will get the rebound and literally hold it for 2-3 seconds and walk the ball up the floor.

 

[cwbytruckers]

Good grief Barnes doesnt tell his guys not to push it and beat the defense down the floor. Some of you keyboard junkies will look for any string to hold on to just to blame Barnes. When he retires and we slip into the abyss again you will miss the 25 win seasons.

 

[supersmo18]

I mean yea man.. we have no shooters

Yeah I mean Vescovi is horrible

 

[Volprofch05]

I have been saying the same thing. Many times we pass up a good shot because it is too early in the shot clock to suit Barnes. And also we should fast break more, we have the speed to do that and get more transitional points.

It is well documented that Barnes tells them to shoot when they have open looks and will pull them if they don't. Our guys are too unselfish at times, but that's not CRB's plan.

 

[orangemadam]

Good grief Barnes doesnt tell his guys not to push it and beat the defense down the floor. Some of you keyboard junkies will look for any string to hold on to just to blame Barnes. When he retires and we slip into the abyss again you will miss the 25 win seasons.

Are you saying Barnes has no liabilities or weaknesses that we should discuss?

 

[imbubbaspitcup]

We have a lot of good shooters! We just can't beat every team by shooting behind the arch! No team can, not in college not in the pros! I would love to see this team push the ball a little more, some fast breaks! We get the steals to do this, we just seem to slow it down and set up the offense! I agree that we pass up some good shots early in the shot clock & then have to take a shot several feet behind the arch to avoid shot clock violation! Attacking the rim & trips to the FT line will be the key to your tournament success! Go VOLS!

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I have been saying the same thing. Many times we pass up a good shot because it is too early in the shot clock to suit Barnes. And also we should fast break more, we have the speed to do that and get more transitional points.

That’s where you’re Barnes has said multiple times that guys need to take that shot if it’s open, he doesn’t want them padding on good looks.

 

[WaywardVol]

Transition is a bad shooting team’s best friend. However, this is one of the areas where I don’t really side with Barnes. I believe his guys are hesitant to get out and run any time they can because he has a short leash with turnovers and bad shots. And sometimes when the pace increases, the likelihood of turning the ball over and taking a bad shot increases.

With this team though, they’re either on or they’re not. There’s no in between, so I believe it to be pretty simple. When the offense is struggling like the past two games, you have to take every chance that’s given to you. If there are opportunities to run, take it. And Barnes will have to live with some turnovers if they are to happen. Because IMO, there’s no difference in a turnover and a missed shot especially when we are shooting < 30%. Increasing the pace and creating some offense in transition will create some momentum and confidence. Don’t have to do it all the time but almost every possession in the games we struggle to score in, we will get the rebound and literally hold it for 2-3 seconds and walk the ball up the floor.

Zero fast break points in the last game. A string defense ought to be getting fast break points as the ball isn’t resetting out of bounds.

 

[wtmvol]

With all these threads discussing our issue of not being able to score points. People blaming head coach, assistant coach this and that. Maybe just maybe could it be that our players just cant shoot very good? We get wide open looks and we just cant knock down what should be a very makeable shot. The other issue is that the players should recognize when the are not shooting very well. At one point we were like 1 for 17 from the 3 point line and we just kept firing them up there. When they should have took some midrange shots or tried to get the ball to the rim. If it was not for a few made midrange shots early in the 2nd half we would have taken a L.

The last thing we need is more midrange. Nearly half of our overall shots were from there against Auburn.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So many people are wanting to mention transition/getting out and running/fast break points, how many Top 5 defenses also score a lot of fast break points? The two usually go hand in hand. Point being our defense is so good (all time good) in large part because we don’t gamble, or leak people out, we stay disciplined and attack the glass off a shot,

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Zero fast break points in the last game. A string defense ought to be getting fast break points as the ball isn’t resetting out of bounds.

We send 5 to the glass, it’s why we’re a Top 10 rebounding team…go away from that and the defense suffers as a result.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The last thing we need is more midrange. Nearly half of our overall shots were from there against Auburn.

While I don’t necessarily disagree you have to also play to strengths, if JJJ doesn’t shoot those 4-5 midrange shots and instead shoots 4-5 more 3’s do we win?

 

[wtmvol]

While I don’t necessarily disagree you have to also play to strengths, if JJJ doesn’t shoot those 4-5 midrange shots and instead shoots 4-5 more 3’s do we win?

I'm speaking more in general. There are decent midrange shots, and there are terrible midrange shots. JJJ's are generally decent. When you go 2-21 from 3, anything else is probably a better option. I just think 27 is way too high a denominator for midrange shots. Though we barely eclipsed 50% at the freaking rim, we've got to get more attempts there. Doing so will open up better looking 3-point attempts. I firmly believe Barnes knows this, and I think we are going to see more of Phillips with the ball heading downhill. He and ZZ are basically the only ones we have with sights set on the rim. We are generating very few quality 3PA's with the pass-it-around-the-perimeter approach.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

Transition is a bad shooting team’s best friend. However, this is one of the areas where I don’t really side with Barnes. I believe his guys are hesitant to get out and run any time they can because he has a short leash with turnovers and bad shots. And sometimes when the pace increases, the likelihood of turning the ball over and taking a bad shot increases.

With this team though, they’re either on or they’re not. There’s no in between, so I believe it to be pretty simple. When the offense is struggling like the past two games, you have to take every chance that’s given to you. If there are opportunities to run, take it. And Barnes will have to live with some turnovers if they are to happen. Because IMO, there’s no difference in a turnover and a missed shot especially when we are shooting < 30%. Increasing the pace and creating some offense in transition will create some momentum and confidence. Don’t have to do it all the time but almost every possession in the games we struggle to score in, we will get the rebound and literally hold it for 2-3 seconds and walk the ball up the floor.

I was actually thinking the same thing yesterday. Why aren’t we running more with a defensive rebound? Not necessarily run-and-gun but creating more opportunities simply by fast-breaking in transition. We torture the opposing team with relentless defense and then we run them into oblivion when we have the ball…at least a few times. Why on earth would we not do such a thing? I’m not sure this alteration would fit into Coach Barnes’s philosophy on ball security, though.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm speaking more in general. There are decent midrange shots, and there are terrible midrange shots. JJJ's are generally decent. When you go 2-21 from 3, anything else is probably a better option. I just think 27 is way too high a denominator for midrange shots. Though we barely eclipsed 50% at the freaking rim, we've got to get more attempts there. Doing so will open up better looking 3-point attempts. I firmly believe Barnes knows this, and I think we are going to see more of Phillips with the ball heading downhill. He and ZZ are basically the only ones we have with sights set on the rim. We are generating very few quality 3PA's with the pass-it-around-the-perimeter approach.

The thing with Phillips is that while we are all saying he needs to do more he’s one of the worst 2pt% shooters on the team, so may not actually be the best strategy in the world, guess it’s TBD. As you mention we gotta be better at the rim, Barnes mentioned it postgame, if they’re gonna completely leave our posts 1-1 with absolutely no help coming from guards you have to make them pay.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I was actually thinking the same thing yesterday. Why aren’t we running more with a defensive rebound? Not necessarily run-and-gun but creating more opportunities simply by fast-breaking in transition. We torture the opposing team with relentless defense and then we run them into oblivion when we have the ball…at least a few times. Why on earth would we not do such a thing? I’m not sure this alteration would fit into Coach Barnes’s philosophy on ball security, though.

Again we send 5 to the glass, we don’t leak our 2/3 out and have the PG set up 35’ out for an outlet…the positive is we dominate the glass and typically allow 1 shot, the negative is that we don’t get much in transition, but that’s why.

 

[cwbytruckers]

Are you saying Barnes has no liabilities or weaknesses that we should discuss?

No im saying some of the topics being discussed are ridiculous.

 

[TNVOLFN]

So many people are wanting to mention transition/getting out and running/fast break points, how many Top 5 defenses also score a lot of fast break points? The two usually go hand in hand. Point being our defense is so good (all time good) in large part because we don’t gamble, or leak people out, we stay disciplined and attack the glass off a shot,

I'd like to add that I don't think we have the dudes to run or be rim runners. ZZ is quick enough, but can't finish around the rim. Vescovi isn't fast enough and can't really finish around the rim. JJJ, yes, but he's usually guarding low or in the paint... Julian probably has the most natural ability, but it appears he's still figuring some things out, which is unfortunate.

 

[TNVOLFN]

I was actually thinking the same thing yesterday. Why aren’t we running more with a defensive rebound? Not necessarily run-and-gun but creating more opportunities simply by fast-breaking in transition. We torture the opposing team with relentless defense and then we run them into oblivion when we have the ball…at least a few times. Why on earth would we not do such a thing? I’m not sure this alteration would fit into Coach Barnes’s philosophy on ball security, though.

I honestly don't think they can run; we can't play above the rim and they don't have the confidence to finish a fast break - I think that's why they always pull it back out and you also see it on our half court possessions.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

It is well documented that Barnes tells them to shoot when they have open looks and will pull them if they don't. Our guys are too unselfish at times, but that's not CRB's plan.

Yes, Barnes even said in his post game talk that on one occasion Vescovi had one of the few wide open 3's and he chose not to shoot, passed inside to ON and he fumbled the pass and turned it over. Said they need to take the open shots when they have them. I don't recall ever seeing a comment by Barnes not to take an open shot early in the clock.

 

[WaywardVol]

We send 5 to the glass, it’s why we’re a Top 10 rebounding team…go away from that and the defense suffers as a result.

So, it’s an illusion?