Cornerback growth

[LittleVol]

Both Charles and Burrell ended the game as leading tacklers.
- This game was Charles first start at CB. Seems to be a good tackler. For righ now though, he seems to be a much better safety. He needs reps. Banks took him out for 3 series after a busted coverage while....

- CB1 (Burrell) gave up 5 catches for 70 yards and THREE first downs... and was not taken out for 3 series.

Hadden played well. Like a good CB should vs Ball State.
This position needs more competition

 

[625 Gibbs Hall]

Burrell has to be replaced. He is only leading tackler because he never has an pass breakups. If we don't have someone at the same level as him we are going to struggle in passing defense. Especially, if we can't get a consistent pass rush.

 

[VOLfrombama]

I haven't given up on Burrell yet as it was still first game, but he got exposed again last night. I don't know if he bites too hard on the WRs first cut or just slow, but they were able to get separation from him all night.

 

[sjt18]

Both Charles and Burrell ended the game as leading tacklers.
- This game was Charles first start at CB. Seems to be a good tackler. For righ now though, he seems to be a much better safety. He needs reps. Banks took him out for 3 series after a busted coverage while....

- CB1 (Burrell) gave up 5 catches for 70 yards and THREE first downs... and was not taken out for 3 series.

Hadden played well. Like a good CB should vs Ball State.
This position needs more competition

I didn't want to give up on Burrell but I think he may be the JG version of a CB. Looks great in practice but it doesn't translate to games. It seemed to me that BSU's QB was actually picking on him. When he got a little pressure, he threw at #4.

Glad you checked the actual stats. I thought both Hadden and Charles played better.

That said... I really didn't like that Banks was giving such big cushions. Burrell was playing 10 yds off and his first step was back. They had that 5 yd hitch all day.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I haven't given up on Burrell yet as it was still first game, but he got exposed again last night. I don't know if he bites too hard on the WRs first cut or just slow, but they were able to get separation from him all night.

It just feels to me like his timing is off. The dude can obviously wrap up and be disruptive at times, but it’s like he overpursues and takes really bad angles at really bad times. I don’t know what the fix is for that but I sure feel like Tim Banks should know.

 

[malibuvol]

I haven't given up on Burrell yet as it was still first game, but he got exposed again last night. I don't know if he bites too hard on the WRs first cut or just slow, but they were able to get separation from him all night.

Burrell doesn't have a clue what the QB is doing and where the ball is...Not to mention he's not too close to the receiver at all...

 

[Jauan't Some?]

It’s pretty telling that when their QB was under duress he chucked the ball up in Burrell’s direction. That must mean they were planning to pick on him and took note of where he was before every snap.

 

[SonOfGodVolforlife]

It’s pretty telling that when their QB was under duress he chucked the ball up in Burrell’s direction. That must mean they were planning to pick on him and took note of where he was before every snap.

If our front 7 can’t step up and create pressure ,contain the qb our defensive backs are sitting ducks.
That’ll be the reason we lose ball games folks. Our offense can’t score on every drive, now I say this knowing it was just ball state and we still don’t know how these guys are going to play against real competition, but man I sure hope our dbs come ready to play next week.

 

[LittleVol]

I didn't want to give up on Burrell but I think he may be the JG version of a CB. Looks great in practice but it doesn't translate to games. It seemed to me that BSU's QB was actually picking on him. When he got a little pressure, he threw at #4.

Glad you checked the actual stats. I thought both Hadden and Charles played better.

That said... I really didn't like that Banks was giving such big cushions. Burrell was playing 10 yds off and his first step was back. They had that 5 yd hitch all day.

This was Charles first start at CB. He was a sound tackler but it was rough in pass coverage for him. Still first game.

Yeah, Banks was running a varition of a quarters defense. Probably just trying somethings out and the bracket wasn't performed well. Unfortunately the man coverage was horrible by Burrell as well. So he's not strong in zone or man...

It's hard to run any defense when you have a guy that is an automatic first down.
JG at CB is exactly what he is.
It's like he takes Martinez's training and completely forgets it during game time Haha.

Hadden meanwhile is applying it very well. Look at his tape and then Cam Sutton in 2014. You'll see a lot of similarities.

 

[LittleVol]

If our front 7 can’t step up and create pressure ,contain the qb our defensive backs are sitting ducks.
That’ll be the reason we lose ball games folks. Our offense can’t score on every drive, now I say this knowing it was just ball state and we still don’t know how these guys are going to play against real competition, but man I sure hope our dbs come ready to play next week.

Except it wasn't a "front 7" yesterday.

It was rushing with 4.


People still don't understand what was happening . They deliberately rushed 4 most of the game, because the better they get at that, the better our defense will be.
The more effective bltiz and stuntz will be.

Not to mention if you can generate any pressure with just 4, that means our backend has more people to cover.

More defensive variety can happen when you have 4 that can rush. The only way you develop that is by just rushing 4.

This was a game for them to try and expedite that development.

Ideally you'd like to blitz only 1/4 of the time.

 

[Jauan't Some?]

Except it wasn't a "front 7" yesterday.

It was rushing with 4.


People still don't understand what was happening . They deliberately rushed 4 most of the game, because the better they get at that, the better our defense will be.
The more effective bltiz and stuntz will be.

Not to mention if you can generate any pressure with just 4, that means our backend has more people to cover.

More defensive variety can happen when you have 4 that can rush. The only way you develop that is by just rushing 4.

This was a game for them to try and expedite that development.

Ideally you'd like to blitz only 1/4 of the time.

I re-watched a couple early defensive drives and there were several instances where BY stood their LT up and put him on skids like 5 yds into their backfield. Baron had a nice swim inside that forced the QB out of the pocket and Josephs showed he can get depth very quickly. I feel like we can do a lot with those pieces without having to commit too many guys to the rush.

But it doesn’t really matter if our DBs regularly get caught out of position.

 

[Sarms58]

I'm glad we have more depth this year and trust the coaching staff will give more playing time to those who perform better. Did we ever get a reason why Brandon Turnage didn't play and wasn't listed on the 2 deep?

 

[SonOfGodVolforlife]

Except it wasn't a "front 7" yesterday.

It was rushing with 4.


People still don't understand what was happening . They deliberately rushed 4 most of the game, because the better they get at that, the better our defense will be.
The more effective bltiz and stuntz will be.

Not to mention if you can generate any pressure with just 4, that means our backend has more people to cover.

More defensive variety can happen when you have 4 that can rush. The only way you develop that is by just rushing 4.

This was a game for them to try and expedite that development.

Ideally you'd like to blitz only 1/4 of the time.

So you’re saying our dbs aren’t our biggest concern on defense? So in your opinion how should our defense play Pittsburg.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

We need upper 4 & 5 star talent back there... & @ safety.

 

[LittleVol]

So you’re saying our dbs aren’t our biggest concern on defense? So in your opinion how should our defense play Pittsburg.

I'm saying we played vanilla defense and still held them to 10 points and 3 turnovers.

Burrell is a concern and frankly shouldn't be out there.

All this other manufactured worrying is unfounded at the moment.

 

[LittleVol]

So you’re saying our dbs aren’t our biggest concern on defense? So in your opinion how should our defense play Pittsburg.

2nd part of your question.

How to defend the Pitt offense.
Man coverage and blitz up the middle and 2nd/3rd down first half of the game.
By then our offense might have 28 points.
Then play a variety of zone while Blitizing the
STAR. Also have speed rusher at LEO and DE.

Slovis is most dangerous standing in the pocket. Destroy the pocket and play their average speed WRs tight.

 

[SonOfGodVolforlife]

I'm saying we played vanilla defense and still held them to 10 points and 3 turnovers.

Burrell is a concern and frankly shouldn't be out there.

All this other manufactured worrying is unfounded at the moment.

I didn’t mean to come off as being worried ,but rather let’s not sleep on these guys. I’m looking forward to seeing how our oline plays against them to be honest.

 

[LittleVol]

I didn’t mean to come off as being worried ,but rather let’s not sleep on these guys. I’m looking forward to seeing how our oline plays against them to be honest.

Just like I've been telling people the past 3 months. Pitt was going to be good again.

WVU and Pitt always play close games.

Pitt has good lineman and a good QB. Need to fold that pocket and get Slovis uncomfortable.

 

[Proud Army Wife]

It just feels to me like his timing is off. The dude can obviously wrap up and be disruptive at times, but it’s like he overpursues and takes really bad angles at really bad times. I don’t know what the fix is for that but I sure feel like Tim Banks should know.

I call it intuition. He lacks that. Like he’ll be 5 yards away from his man at times. You know there’s a good chance the ball is coming to your dude right? Maybe anticipation is a better word. He doesn’t do that very well. Just my opinion on what I see.

 

[Proud Army Wife]

Burrell reminds me of a kid from the bad news bears picking clovers in the outfield.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Burrell needs to be rubbing up on that WR like a buck on a doe in heat!

 

[lexkyvol]

Burrell be LOST!

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

You also gotta consider we were constantly in zone so we were giving them the short ones. So it's not all Burrells fault.

Charles actually wasn't much better

Either way

Hadden is clearly the best CB on the team.

 

[LittleVol]

Gibson and Matthews need to be ready to play real minutes in 2023

 

[Vol865]

You also gotta consider we were constantly in zone so we were giving them the short ones. So it's not all Burrells fault.

Charles actually wasn't much better

Either way

Hadden is clearly the best CB on the team.

He absolutely got routed a couple of times. He's a big play waiting to happen.