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Conservative runs up the middle almost cost us.
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Late to the discussion....but a few things:
1. I love CBJ....and proud that he is our coach....I think he is trying to build a program the right way and with a particular type of player that fits his mould......
2. I love our players--they have good leadership from some key Srs and it shows.....Dobbs is one of 'em--but he could stand to be more consistent and more accurate throwing the ball BEFORE the 4th QTR....He must do this for us to continue winning....especially this Saturday at aTm.
3. CBJ runs behind his analytical shell when he needs to produce first downs to seal a win...If he doesn't stop this--he gonna lose some MORE games that he should've won.... It's all ON HIM....
There are a number of safe but creative running plays in that situation--a reverse....or line up with 5 wides and run a QB draw....line up with 2 backs in the backfield and run both of 'em on flare patterns to opposite side to pull the LBs out of the middle of the field and run a QB draw....and yes, you can line up in an empty backfield and throw a high percentage pass to a guy like Jennings, Wolf, or Malone....
ANYTHING but what we've seen against OK & Fla last year....and once again this year against UGA...or we will continue to lose games....
4. CBJ said in the post-UGA game presser that not only were we in the right coverage on UGAs scoring bomb--but also that were in the BEST COVERAGE....That's either coach-speak for I'm covering my DCs azz--or I'm just TOO STUPID to know better....
They say that Shoop shows them the good, bad, and the ugly each week....Well....I've got some BAD & UGLY stuff to show from the FILM.....
When you watch the tape of UGA's 4 play drive to cover 81 yds to beat us--we're in STUPID coverage for EVERY PLAY....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc
1st down at 2:31:22 of the full game
We in Cover 2 man under with LBs and CBs way too close to the LOS....what is the result? Eason completes a pass to a dude in the hash marks 14 yds from the LOS--actually had 2 dudes there WIDE OPEN...
Why? Because Shoop didn't have his LBs dropping back in zone 10-12 yds off the LOS in Zone....instead--they were guarding guys 5 yards off the LOS in Man coverage....81 yds from our goal line in order to prevent a terrible completion of 5 yds to a RB or a TE....Are you kidding me???????
1 minute left in the game and we are in a coverage that is designed to have your LBs deny a pass completion 5 YARDS OFF THE BALL?? STUPID!
2nd play of the drive at 2:31:47 --1st down at UGA 35 yd line and 65 YARDS AWAY from a TD to win...50 seconds left in the game....
Cover 2 over the top with CB and Nickel (#7, Gaulden) less than 5 yds from LOS...1 CB 8 yds off.....and Jumper 2 yds away from the LOS in the middle--WHY WHY WHY?
MLB has back in man coverage.....so why is he so close?
UGA just runs a little slant with slot guy and 7 tries to be a hero and knock the ball down...because he is lined up TOO CLOSE to the LOS!!!
If he is lined up 6-8 yds off the ball he is ready to break on the ball and make the tackle on his man short of a 1st down that would force UGA to burn their last TO!
Instead, he goes for broke, misses the tackle, and gives up a first down that stops the clock and allows UGA to get to the line for another play without using their TO.
This is, once gain, a complete lack of fundamentals of the game and situational awareness. And it WILL get you beat against better teams.
3rd PLAY....2:32:05 of film.....37 seconds in game...ball on UGA 47 yd line--53 yards away from TD....
Cover 2 man under....again with LBs, CBs, and Nickel all within 5 yds of LOS except for Nickel who is 7 yds off....
Our LB, 20 McDowell, is TOO SHALLOW in this coverage and makes the mistake of playing the ball ON A 2 YARD PASS PATTERN instead of being further off the ball and in position to tackle the TE when he catches the ball. He gives up another 10-12 yd gain because of it....and we catch a break because the UGA TE isn't smart enough to get out of bounds.....
The point here, folks, is that our LBs need to be at least at least 5-8 yds off the ball in zone to cover the hashes in the middle of the field to make the plays they need to make in those situations....
And we need our DBs--whoever they are--to be lined up about 8-10 yds off the ball for underneath Zone coverage from the hashes to the sidelines on each side....we can defend the 15-20 yd plays and be in position to tackle everything in front of us as we break on the ball and keep them to gains of 8-10 yds or less....
4th Play....we get a break and UGA had procedure penalty--burns last TO and now is 1st and 15 with no TOs and 47 yds away from a winning TD....19 seconds left...and we already know what happens...BUT....
2:34:33 of game film....15 yds to a 1st down and stop the clock....
Situational awareness = keep everything in front of you, give up any pass less than 10-12 yards and tackle them in bounds if you can...use sideline as your friend and make a sure tackle.....
But what coverage does our GENIUS DC have us in?
Cover 2 MAN--CBs in PRESS MAN bump and run--this is such a STUPID defensive play call that it defies any semblance of reason....LBs still in man....and at least Gaulden is 7 yds off the ball as nickel covering the slot...
In fact--this is just about the ONLY coverage you could call that would allow any team to have a chance to compete a deep pass for a TD...And UGA did call a play that would challenge the eye discipline of our safety by running a guy down the seam and to the post to pull him away from his Cover 2 over the top responsibilities...
In truth--the very bad part of it is that our CBs are walked up in PRESS MAN....we probably could've gotten away with it IF--IF--IF our CBs were walked off the LOS at least 10 yards...(side note here....Martinez did run up and pull Foreman out of Press man on the previous UGA series that resulted in him making an INT--check the tape).
Is there a better coverage? Absolutely--Cover 3 Zone Under that is DESIGNED to prevent ANY DEEP BALL in any deep 3rd of the field from being completed and allows your guys underneath in the 15-25 yd range to keep everything in front of them under 10-15 yards. 19 seconds is not a lot of time to allow you to take your time and pick and choose.
I would submit that it is the ONLY coverage to run with 19 seconds left to play in the game and the ball 47 yards away from the goal line.
These break downs in fundamentals and a systemic lack of situational awareness in the game is why guys like McElwain honestly say that you just don't lose to Tennessee. The reason is that Tennessee ALWAYS has some break-down in fundamentals that teams are able to exploit and win the game when it is close.
This entire final defensive series is a pathetic display of coaching decisions and a lack of football IQ.
I dare ANY of you to find a film clip of ANY TEAM in college or the NFL--EVER--who plays Cover 2 man under with CBs in PRESS man bump and run and LBs within 2 yds of LOS with a lead of 4 points or greater and 19 seconds to play from mid-field--and an opponent having NO time-outs. It's just an inexplicable and inexcusable coverage call--but above all else it is just plain 'ol STUPID....
Anyway--we did pull out a miracle and make a play to win....and I'm EXTREMELY HAPPY as I HATE UGA....
We not gonna beat the elite teams in the SEC or in the Big 10 by making these types of mistakes......and no amount of talent on the field will make up for it either.
GO VOLS!
Flame away at me and on and on and on.....:salute:
1. I love CBJ....and proud that he is our coach....I think he is trying to build a program the right way and with a particular type of player that fits his mould......
2. I love our players--they have good leadership from some key Srs and it shows.....Dobbs is one of 'em--but he could stand to be more consistent and more accurate throwing the ball BEFORE the 4th QTR....He must do this for us to continue winning....especially this Saturday at aTm.
3. CBJ runs behind his analytical shell when he needs to produce first downs to seal a win...If he doesn't stop this--he gonna lose some MORE games that he should've won.... It's all ON HIM....
There are a number of safe but creative running plays in that situation--a reverse....or line up with 5 wides and run a QB draw....line up with 2 backs in the backfield and run both of 'em on flare patterns to opposite side to pull the LBs out of the middle of the field and run a QB draw....and yes, you can line up in an empty backfield and throw a high percentage pass to a guy like Jennings, Wolf, or Malone....
ANYTHING but what we've seen against OK & Fla last year....and once again this year against UGA...or we will continue to lose games....
4. CBJ said in the post-UGA game presser that not only were we in the right coverage on UGAs scoring bomb--but also that were in the BEST COVERAGE....That's either coach-speak for I'm covering my DCs azz--or I'm just TOO STUPID to know better....
They say that Shoop shows them the good, bad, and the ugly each week....Well....I've got some BAD & UGLY stuff to show from the FILM.....
When you watch the tape of UGA's 4 play drive to cover 81 yds to beat us--we're in STUPID coverage for EVERY PLAY....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc
1st down at 2:31:22 of the full game
We in Cover 2 man under with LBs and CBs way too close to the LOS....what is the result? Eason completes a pass to a dude in the hash marks 14 yds from the LOS--actually had 2 dudes there WIDE OPEN...
Why? Because Shoop didn't have his LBs dropping back in zone 10-12 yds off the LOS in Zone....instead--they were guarding guys 5 yards off the LOS in Man coverage....81 yds from our goal line in order to prevent a terrible completion of 5 yds to a RB or a TE....Are you kidding me???????
1 minute left in the game and we are in a coverage that is designed to have your LBs deny a pass completion 5 YARDS OFF THE BALL?? STUPID!
2nd play of the drive at 2:31:47 --1st down at UGA 35 yd line and 65 YARDS AWAY from a TD to win...50 seconds left in the game....
Cover 2 over the top with CB and Nickel (#7, Gaulden) less than 5 yds from LOS...1 CB 8 yds off.....and Jumper 2 yds away from the LOS in the middle--WHY WHY WHY?
MLB has back in man coverage.....so why is he so close?
UGA just runs a little slant with slot guy and 7 tries to be a hero and knock the ball down...because he is lined up TOO CLOSE to the LOS!!!
If he is lined up 6-8 yds off the ball he is ready to break on the ball and make the tackle on his man short of a 1st down that would force UGA to burn their last TO!
Instead, he goes for broke, misses the tackle, and gives up a first down that stops the clock and allows UGA to get to the line for another play without using their TO.
This is, once gain, a complete lack of fundamentals of the game and situational awareness. And it WILL get you beat against better teams.
3rd PLAY....2:32:05 of film.....37 seconds in game...ball on UGA 47 yd line--53 yards away from TD....
Cover 2 man under....again with LBs, CBs, and Nickel all within 5 yds of LOS except for Nickel who is 7 yds off....
Our LB, 20 McDowell, is TOO SHALLOW in this coverage and makes the mistake of playing the ball ON A 2 YARD PASS PATTERN instead of being further off the ball and in position to tackle the TE when he catches the ball. He gives up another 10-12 yd gain because of it....and we catch a break because the UGA TE isn't smart enough to get out of bounds.....
The point here, folks, is that our LBs need to be at least at least 5-8 yds off the ball in zone to cover the hashes in the middle of the field to make the plays they need to make in those situations....
And we need our DBs--whoever they are--to be lined up about 8-10 yds off the ball for underneath Zone coverage from the hashes to the sidelines on each side....we can defend the 15-20 yd plays and be in position to tackle everything in front of us as we break on the ball and keep them to gains of 8-10 yds or less....
4th Play....we get a break and UGA had procedure penalty--burns last TO and now is 1st and 15 with no TOs and 47 yds away from a winning TD....19 seconds left...and we already know what happens...BUT....
2:34:33 of game film....15 yds to a 1st down and stop the clock....
Situational awareness = keep everything in front of you, give up any pass less than 10-12 yards and tackle them in bounds if you can...use sideline as your friend and make a sure tackle.....
But what coverage does our GENIUS DC have us in?
Cover 2 MAN--CBs in PRESS MAN bump and run--this is such a STUPID defensive play call that it defies any semblance of reason....LBs still in man....and at least Gaulden is 7 yds off the ball as nickel covering the slot...
In fact--this is just about the ONLY coverage you could call that would allow any team to have a chance to compete a deep pass for a TD...And UGA did call a play that would challenge the eye discipline of our safety by running a guy down the seam and to the post to pull him away from his Cover 2 over the top responsibilities...
In truth--the very bad part of it is that our CBs are walked up in PRESS MAN....we probably could've gotten away with it IF--IF--IF our CBs were walked off the LOS at least 10 yards...(side note here....Martinez did run up and pull Foreman out of Press man on the previous UGA series that resulted in him making an INT--check the tape).
Is there a better coverage? Absolutely--Cover 3 Zone Under that is DESIGNED to prevent ANY DEEP BALL in any deep 3rd of the field from being completed and allows your guys underneath in the 15-25 yd range to keep everything in front of them under 10-15 yards. 19 seconds is not a lot of time to allow you to take your time and pick and choose.
I would submit that it is the ONLY coverage to run with 19 seconds left to play in the game and the ball 47 yards away from the goal line.
These break downs in fundamentals and a systemic lack of situational awareness in the game is why guys like McElwain honestly say that you just don't lose to Tennessee. The reason is that Tennessee ALWAYS has some break-down in fundamentals that teams are able to exploit and win the game when it is close.
This entire final defensive series is a pathetic display of coaching decisions and a lack of football IQ.
I dare ANY of you to find a film clip of ANY TEAM in college or the NFL--EVER--who plays Cover 2 man under with CBs in PRESS man bump and run and LBs within 2 yds of LOS with a lead of 4 points or greater and 19 seconds to play from mid-field--and an opponent having NO time-outs. It's just an inexplicable and inexcusable coverage call--but above all else it is just plain 'ol STUPID....
Anyway--we did pull out a miracle and make a play to win....and I'm EXTREMELY HAPPY as I HATE UGA....
We not gonna beat the elite teams in the SEC or in the Big 10 by making these types of mistakes......and no amount of talent on the field will make up for it either.
GO VOLS!
Flame away at me and on and on and on.....:salute:
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That would have been a decent play call I think , but it is high risk with the amount of pressure that was coming ...and not know where it was coming from ..middle edge both ? The best call was the zone read on second down ...Dobbs mis-read it and should have kept it . If he had tucked it ...everyone would be talking about how dang smart these coaches are. With everyone up , all he would have had to beat were long angles. A first down in any case. Not to diminish Dobbs and all the great things he does , but that was a solid play call with bad execution
I could not agree with you more. However , if you go with cushion and the same thing happens , everyone will be griping about the 'prevent' defense ect. Seems like he was trying to win it with pressure...which is Shoops M.O. I will saw that all of this would be for naught if our DB had not quit on the play in preparation of the inevitable celebration . If the guy had stayed in the hip pocket and finished his assignment the game would have ended there
Keep looking at stats without interpretation. As good as Dobbs can be , he can be equally woeful and the play selection is carefully managed. Notice all the drops by the receivers ? Notice all the crazy athletic catches by the receivers ? All a product of bad ball placement. To say that you dont want him throwing into traffic and that you dont want him passing on known passing downs is elementary , but do not make your single stat any less true. It is a situation where both statements are absolutely true
Alabama End Of Game - TENN21 (1:27) Joshua Dobbs sacked by Ryan Anderson for -10 yards to the TENN 11. Joshua Dobbs fumbles, A'Shawn Robinson of Alabama recovers and returns 9 yards to the TENN 4.
Oklahoma End Of Game - 3rd and 12 at OKLA 27
(2OT) JOSHUA DOBBS PASS INTERCEPTED ZACK SANCHEZ RETURN FOR 5 YDS TO THE OKLA 20
2015 Florida 2nd and 12 at TENN 31
(7:29 - 3RD) JOSHUA DOBBS RUN FOR A LOSS OF 2 YARDS TO THE TENN 29 JOSHUA DOBBS FUMBLED, FORCED BY BRYAN COX, RECOVERED BY FLA BRYAN COX
2015 Arkansas - 4th and 13 at TENN 43
(2:26 - 4TH) JOSHUA DOBBS PASS INCOMPLETE TO JOSH MALONE
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I love how fans think coaches are smart when they pull games out of their a$$es. If they were brilliant they wouldn't be coaching football--and I know Schoop is an Ivy League guy. (me, too, for grad school!)
Why did Foreman lose his man? Because he was running directly beside him along the sideline when he should have been 8-10 yards off him when the ball was snapped--and STAYED 10 yards behind him the entire time! As the poster says, stupid coverage.
As for our last possessions, get a grip: There are PLENTY of safe throws that can be made---and the odds are in your favor if you run play action as the defense is expecting run. Roll out and hit the TE or a slot guy. If you practice and the QB knows to keep the ball if there is tight coverage, then you are good. Or, as someone above says, you can be creative with run: Run a bootleg. Jones plays SCARED at the end; he lost at least two games last year playing scared at the end offensively--and he effectively lost this game too. We gave up the TD we couldn't give up.
There is also this point: Most college defensive backs simply aren't that good. They make mistakes constantly. Have we not seen this first-hand over the last two years? We gave up a game winning TD on a fourth down and 15 play last year. This isn't the NFL. This notion that, oh, we'll put the game in the hands of our super defense is laughable. Teams drive the field late ALL the time. Bama drove and scored on us late last year to beat us. Are you going to punt the ball to Lamar Jackson with 1.5 minutes to go and think you're going to keep him from scoring? Butch would! You need balls to win big games--they'll get you farther than Hail Marys in the long run. And, good grief, please do not punt the ball from the 33 again. We gained 11 yards of field position in exchange for giving up a chance to score.
Jones has a lot of Fulmer in him when it comes to game-day decision making. He needs a bit more Spurrier.
I never said it was a prevent ...but said that people will call it a 'prevent' . I agree with you .
We good, bro! I wasn't saying you said it would be a prevent...or anything like that, at all...OR even remotely suggesting that you were an idiot....
I was just pointing out--like you did above--that idiots gonna be idiots and say anything they want.....
WE on the SAME PAGE!!! :hi:eace2:
I never said it was a prevent ...but said that people will call it a 'prevent' . I agree with you .
We good, bro! I wasn't saying you said it would be a prevent...or anything like that, at all...OR even remotely suggesting that you were an idiot....
I was just pointing out--like you did above--that idiots gonna be idiots and say anything they want.....
WE on the SAME PAGE!!! :hi:
I like your commentary . I wish there was more on here. It is one thing to second guess the play calling . It is a whole other thing to second guess it and have an inkling of what you are talking about. In defense of Shoop , UGA was playing fast and that may have been a 'player' call. I am with you though , this defense troubles me. It may be a great defense if we can figure out how to get ahead early and put pressure on offenses with the score board ...so then they can tee off with blitzes exotics robbers. To get there you have to be ahead and until you get ahead to have to at least give the run a nod !
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I would like to go to A&M and first play on offense have JJ run a go route and just shred the defense dobbs gets him deep for an immediate TD. Kind of like how Lane Kiffin did when he came to town 2 years ago with Amari Cooper. Just start out super fast and keep A&M off balance all night playing fast and loose.
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