Comparing Alabama to Florida and Texas A&M

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Alabama and Tennessee have yet to play a common opponent so its hard to stack the two teams up against one another. However, Tennessee has played 2 teams (Texas A&M and Florida) that have played against teams that Alabama has already faced.

Alabama - 34
Kentucky - 6

Florida - 45
Kentucky - 7

Alabama - 49
Arkansas - 30

Texas A&M - 45
Arkansas - 24

After looking at the box scores of the Alabama/Arkansas, Texas A&M/Arkansas, Alabama/Kentucky, and Florida/Kentucky games, I feel comfortable making the following predictions:

1. Tennessee's offense will out-gain Alabama's offense by nearly 100 yards. How Come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Texas A&M and Florida were able to match the yardage output of Alabama's offense and defense when they faced Kentucky and Arkansas. In both our games against Florida and Texas A&M we out-gained each by roughly 100 yards.

2. Tennessee's rushing offense will average between 3.0 and 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's run defense held both those teams to roughly 2.0 yards per carry. Texas A&M and Florida's run defense in turn held Kentucky and Arkansas to roughly 3.0 yards per carry. That means Florida and Texas A&M's run defenses are roughly 1.0 yards per carry worse than Alabama. In our games against Florida and Texas A&M, we averaged between 4.0 and 5.5 yards per carry. That's 1.0-2.5 yards per carry higher than what they gave up to Arkansas and Kentucky. If we match our production against Florida and Texas A&M in terms of yards per carry over their average against Kentucky and Arkansas, then you're looking at approximately 3.0 yards per carry on the low-end and 4.5 yards per carry on the high-end against Alabama's defense. I would side with the low-end because its hard to imagine getting 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense.

3. Tennessee's passing offense will average between 8.0 and 8.5 yards per pass attempt against Alabama's passing defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's pass defense performed roughly the same as Florida and Texas A&M. Alabama shut down Kentucky's passing offense with the same success Florida did. And Alabama was lit up by Arkansas' pass offense to the same degree Texas A&M was. That means when we face Alabama we're not facing a pass defense that is superior to the pass defenses we've already faced in Florida and Texas A&M. Against Florida we averaged over 9.5 yards per pass attempt. I think that will be hard to replicate. Against Texas A&M we averaged approximately 8.4 yards per pass attempt. I think that level of production is more likely.



This is a long way of saying we're not facing something we haven't seen already. Alabama is not an unbeatable juggernaut. As you can see from the game scores, Florida and Texas A&M had roughly the same success against Kentucky and Arkansas that Alabama did. The only major difference we will see this Saturday is Alabama's rush defense. Its roughly 50% better than the rush defenses we've seen from A&M and Florida. We should expect to average about 1.0 yards per carry less than we normally do. Other than that I don't see any major obstacles Alabama has that we haven't seen before. Their pass defense is comparable to A&M and Florida. Two teams we lit up through the air. Their offense is less efficient running the ball than Texas A&M (who is right now the best rushing team in the SEC) and more efficient throwing the ball than Texas A&M (who didn't really light us up that much throwing the ball).

This will be a high scoring 4 quarter game. We should be able to move the ball on Alabama especially through the air. We should be able to score on them. I expect us to score at least 35 points. Expect Alabama to also score on us. Our run defense will perform better than they did against Texas A&M but our pass defense will struggle a little more than they did against Texas A&M. I like our chances to win as long as we don't lose the turnover battle.

Tennessee - 38
Alabama - 35
 
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There's no such thing as the transitive property in athletics.

Edit: but I like where your head's at.
 
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Wish it was that simple. Football is about matchups each individual game, so comparing common opponents isn't going to work, much less comparing common opponents' common opponents.

Va Tech beat UNC by 31. UGA only beat UNC by 9. We only beat UGA by 3. So how come Va Tech didn't beat us by 19?
 
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In 2014 VT beat OSU, ECU beat VT, South Carolina Beat ECU, Tennessee Beat South Carolina so boom we would have beat OSU
 
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Last year Ole Miss beat Alabama and Alabama beat Arkansas, so how is it possible that Arkansas beat Ole Miss?
 
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In 2014 VT beat OSU, ECU beat VT, South Carolina Beat ECU, Tennessee Beat South Carolina so boom we would have beat OSU

My focus isn't on the transitive property. I'm doing more of a statistical comparison.

Given our success moving the ball offensively against similar defenses, we should move the ball against Alabama.

The only statistical outlier is Alabama's rush defense. Thats the only thing we haven't faced yet.
 
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Last year Ole Miss beat Alabama and Alabama beat Arkansas, so how is it possible that Arkansas beat Ole Miss?

I'm not guaranteeing victory against Alabama. Turnovers are typically the biggest factor in winning and losing and those are tough to predict.

However, things like yards per rush and yards per pass attempt are typically consistent. For example, almost everyone struggles against Alabama's rush defense. I don't think it's crazy to predict that we'll perform better than most against their run defenses but not quite as good as we do on average.
 
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My focus isn't on the transitive property. I'm doing more of a statistical comparison.

Given our success moving the ball offensively against similar defenses, we should move the ball against Alabama.

The it statistical outlier is Alabama's defense. Thats the only thing we haven't faced yet.

If UT's oline can hold up for 4 quarter and if UT can establish the deep ball early to get the running game going. And if UT can figure out a way to get to Hurts without giving up the big plays then UT will win.
 
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Texas A&M and Florida have many teeth.

Not so much in BamaLand.
 

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Alabama and Tennessee have yet to play a common opponent so its hard to stack the two teams up against one another. However, Tennessee has played 2 teams (Texas A&M and Florida) that have played against teams that Alabama has already faced.

Alabama - 34
Kentucky - 6

Florida - 45
Kentucky - 7

Alabama - 49
Arkansas - 30

Texas A&M - 45
Arkansas - 24

After looking at the box scores of the Alabama/Arkansas, Texas A&M/Arkansas, Alabama/Kentucky, and Florida/Kentucky games, I feel comfortable making the following predictions:

1. Tennessee's offense will out-gain Alabama's offense by nearly 100 yards. How Come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Texas A&M and Florida were able to match the yardage output of Alabama's offense and defense when they faced Kentucky and Arkansas. In both our games against Florida and Texas A&M we out-gained each by roughly 100 yards.

2. Tennessee's rushing offense will average between 3.0 and 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's run defense held both those teams to roughly 2.0 yards per carry. Texas A&M and Florida's run defense in turn held Kentucky and Arkansas to roughly 3.0 yards per carry. That means Florida and Texas A&M's run defenses are roughly 1.0 yards per carry worse than Alabama. In our games against Florida and Texas A&M, we averaged between 4.0 and 5.5 yards per carry. That's 1.0-2.5 yards per carry higher than what they gave up to Arkansas and Kentucky. If we match our production against Florida and Texas A&M in terms of yards per carry over their average against Kentucky and Arkansas, then you're looking at approximately 3.0 yards per carry on the low-end and 4.5 yards per carry on the high-end against Alabama's defense. I would side with the low-end because its hard to imagine getting 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense.

3. Tennessee's passing offense will average between 8.0 and 8.5 yards per pass attempt against Alabama's passing defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's pass defense performed roughly the same as Florida and Texas A&M. Alabama shut down Kentucky's passing offense with the same success Florida did. And Alabama was lit up by Arkansas' pass offense to the same degree Texas A&M was. That means when we face Alabama we're not facing a pass defense that is superior to the pass defenses we've already faced in Florida and Texas A&M. Against Florida we averaged over 9.5 yards per pass attempt. I think that will be hard to replicate. Against Texas A&M we averaged approximately 8.4 yards per pass attempt. I think that level of production is more likely.



This is a long way of saying we're not facing something we haven't seen already. Alabama is not an unbeatable juggernaut. As you can see from the game scores, Florida and Texas A&M had roughly the same success against Kentucky and Arkansas that Alabama did. The only major difference we will see this Saturday is Alabama's rush defense. Its roughly 50% better than the rush defenses we've seen from A&M and Florida. We should expect to average about 1.0 yards per carry less than we normally do. Other than that I don't see any major obstacles Alabama has that we haven't seen before. Their pass defense is comparable to A&M and Florida. Two teams we lit up through the air. Their offense is less efficient running the ball than Texas A&M (who is right now the best rushing team in the SEC) and more efficient throwing the ball than Texas A&M (who didn't really light us up that much throwing the ball).

This will be a high scoring 4 quarter game. We should be able to move the ball on Alabama especially through the air. We should be able to score on them. I expect us to score at least 35 points. Expect Alabama to also score on us. Our run defense will perform better than they did against Texas A&M but our pass defense will struggle a little more than they did against Texas A&M. I like our chances to win as long as we don't lose the turnover battle.

Tennessee - 38
Alabama - 35

If it was only that simple. You really can't compare one team vs another based off just common opponent's. Some teams matchup better vs other teams,turnovers,injuries,etc all factor in.Based off comparing scores Mia,Fla would beat us by close to 50 going by common opponent Appt St.
 
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Alabama and Tennessee have yet to play a common opponent so its hard to stack the two teams up against one another. However, Tennessee has played 2 teams (Texas A&M and Florida) that have played against teams that Alabama has already faced.

Alabama - 34
Kentucky - 6

Florida - 45
Kentucky - 7

Alabama - 49
Arkansas - 30

Texas A&M - 45
Arkansas - 24

After looking at the box scores of the Alabama/Arkansas, Texas A&M/Arkansas, Alabama/Kentucky, and Florida/Kentucky games, I feel comfortable making the following predictions:

1. Tennessee's offense will out-gain Alabama's offense by nearly 100 yards. How Come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Texas A&M and Florida were able to match the yardage output of Alabama's offense and defense when they faced Kentucky and Arkansas. In both our games against Florida and Texas A&M we out-gained each by roughly 100 yards.

2. Tennessee's rushing offense will average between 3.0 and 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's run defense held both those teams to roughly 2.0 yards per carry. Texas A&M and Florida's run defense in turn held Kentucky and Arkansas to roughly 3.0 yards per carry. That means Florida and Texas A&M's run defenses are roughly 1.0 yards per carry worse than Alabama. In our games against Florida and Texas A&M, we averaged between 4.0 and 5.5 yards per carry. That's 1.0-2.5 yards per carry higher than what they gave up to Arkansas and Kentucky. If we match our production against Florida and Texas A&M in terms of yards per carry over their average against Kentucky and Arkansas, then you're looking at approximately 3.0 yards per carry on the low-end and 4.5 yards per carry on the high-end against Alabama's defense. I would side with the low-end because its hard to imagine getting 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense.

3. Tennessee's passing offense will average between 8.0 and 8.5 yards per pass attempt against Alabama's passing defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's pass defense performed roughly the same as Florida and Texas A&M. Alabama shut down Kentucky's passing offense with the same success Florida did. And Alabama was lit up by Arkansas' pass offense to the same degree Texas A&M was. That means when we face Alabama we're not facing a pass defense that is superior to the pass defenses we've already faced in Florida and Texas A&M. Against Florida we averaged over 9.5 yards per pass attempt. I think that will be hard to replicate. Against Texas A&M we averaged approximately 8.4 yards per pass attempt. I think that level of production is more likely.



This is a long way of saying we're not facing something we haven't seen already. Alabama is not an unbeatable juggernaut. As you can see from the game scores, Florida and Texas A&M had roughly the same success against Kentucky and Arkansas that Alabama did. The only major difference we will see this Saturday is Alabama's rush defense. Its roughly 50% better than the rush defenses we've seen from A&M and Florida. We should expect to average about 1.0 yards per carry less than we normally do. Other than that I don't see any major obstacles Alabama has that we haven't seen before. Their pass defense is comparable to A&M and Florida. Two teams we lit up through the air. Their offense is less efficient running the ball than Texas A&M (who is right now the best rushing team in the SEC) and more efficient throwing the ball than Texas A&M (who didn't really light us up that much throwing the ball).

This will be a high scoring 4 quarter game. We should be able to move the ball on Alabama especially through the air. We should be able to score on them. I expect us to score at least 35 points. Expect Alabama to also score on us. Our run defense will perform better than they did against Texas A&M but our pass defense will struggle a little more than they did against Texas A&M. I like our chances to win as long as we don't lose the turnover battle.

Tennessee - 38
Alabama - 35

Why are you wasting your time with this??? You're DONE, right???


GBO!!!
 
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I'm not guaranteeing victory against Alabama. Turnovers are typically the biggest factor in winning and losing and those are tough to predict.

However, things like yards per rush and yards per pass attempt are typically consistent. For example, almost everyone struggles against Alabama's rush defense. I don't think it's crazy to predict that we'll perform better than most against their run defenses but not quite as good as we do on average.

They're not that tough to predict this year unfortunately. If we keep with the tone we've set this year in prior games, we will have 3 turnovers in this game.
 
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If Dobbs can get in that 80-95 rushing yard area, I like our chances. Our backs will have a tough time rushing between the tackles, but the edges always seem to be easier going against Bama the last few years. If Saban has a weakness on D it is against mobile quarterbacks. Should be a shoot out and a close game, I'm thinking mid 30s to low 40s as well.

I can get on board with this post D4H.
 
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Every time I think of the UT/UA matchup, I smile and reflect on the first play of the game in 1995. A slant pass from Manning to Kent for a 80-yard TD. Perfect throw, perfect catch, perfect call. Absolutely beautiful. This game broke the streak and began the cementing process of Manning as a UT icon.
 
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Transitive prop does not work in sports but the way he is breaking it down is a lot better than just box scores. It still is shaky at best as per match-ups of one team vs another being a lot more meaningful.

On a side note, I would take this D4H anyday over the one I'm used to seeing post.
 
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Alabama and Tennessee have yet to play a common opponent so its hard to stack the two teams up against one another. However, Tennessee has played 2 teams (Texas A&M and Florida) that have played against teams that Alabama has already faced.

Alabama - 34
Kentucky - 6

Florida - 45
Kentucky - 7

Alabama - 49
Arkansas - 30

Texas A&M - 45
Arkansas - 24

After looking at the box scores of the Alabama/Arkansas, Texas A&M/Arkansas, Alabama/Kentucky, and Florida/Kentucky games, I feel comfortable making the following predictions:

1. Tennessee's offense will out-gain Alabama's offense by nearly 100 yards. How Come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Texas A&M and Florida were able to match the yardage output of Alabama's offense and defense when they faced Kentucky and Arkansas. In both our games against Florida and Texas A&M we out-gained each by roughly 100 yards.

2. Tennessee's rushing offense will average between 3.0 and 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's run defense held both those teams to roughly 2.0 yards per carry. Texas A&M and Florida's run defense in turn held Kentucky and Arkansas to roughly 3.0 yards per carry. That means Florida and Texas A&M's run defenses are roughly 1.0 yards per carry worse than Alabama. In our games against Florida and Texas A&M, we averaged between 4.0 and 5.5 yards per carry. That's 1.0-2.5 yards per carry higher than what they gave up to Arkansas and Kentucky. If we match our production against Florida and Texas A&M in terms of yards per carry over their average against Kentucky and Arkansas, then you're looking at approximately 3.0 yards per carry on the low-end and 4.5 yards per carry on the high-end against Alabama's defense. I would side with the low-end because its hard to imagine getting 4.5 yards per carry against Alabama's run defense.

3. Tennessee's passing offense will average between 8.0 and 8.5 yards per pass attempt against Alabama's passing defense. How come? In match-ups with Kentucky and Arkansas, Alabama's pass defense performed roughly the same as Florida and Texas A&M. Alabama shut down Kentucky's passing offense with the same success Florida did. And Alabama was lit up by Arkansas' pass offense to the same degree Texas A&M was. That means when we face Alabama we're not facing a pass defense that is superior to the pass defenses we've already faced in Florida and Texas A&M. Against Florida we averaged over 9.5 yards per pass attempt. I think that will be hard to replicate. Against Texas A&M we averaged approximately 8.4 yards per pass attempt. I think that level of production is more likely.



This is a long way of saying we're not facing something we haven't seen already. Alabama is not an unbeatable juggernaut. As you can see from the game scores, Florida and Texas A&M had roughly the same success against Kentucky and Arkansas that Alabama did. The only major difference we will see this Saturday is Alabama's rush defense. Its roughly 50% better than the rush defenses we've seen from A&M and Florida. We should expect to average about 1.0 yards per carry less than we normally do. Other than that I don't see any major obstacles Alabama has that we haven't seen before. Their pass defense is comparable to A&M and Florida. Two teams we lit up through the air. Their offense is less efficient running the ball than Texas A&M (who is right now the best rushing team in the SEC) and more efficient throwing the ball than Texas A&M (who didn't really light us up that much throwing the ball).

This will be a high scoring 4 quarter game. We should be able to move the ball on Alabama especially through the air. We should be able to score on them. I expect us to score at least 35 points. Expect Alabama to also score on us. Our run defense will perform better than they did against Texas A&M but our pass defense will struggle a little more than they did against Texas A&M. I like our chances to win as long as we don't lose the turnover battle.

Tennessee - 38
Alabama - 35

Tennessee needs to defer to open the game and let the D set the tone early and keep the crowd in the game.
 
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My focus isn't on the transitive property. I'm doing more of a statistical comparison.

Given our success moving the ball offensively against similar defenses, we should move the ball against Alabama.

The only statistical outlier is Alabama's rush defense. Thats the only thing we haven't faced yet.

Just because you averaged some numbers doesn't make this statistics.

Your sample size is too small to determine what is correlated, too small to draw conclusions that are statistically significant, and too small to create confidence intervals and identify outliers.

Appreciate the effort but this is more transitive and circumstantial than statistical or meaningful.
 
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