College Football Will Be Fine and You're Just Being Dramatic.

[Rickyvol77]

Wtf you don't own this Fan Forum,people can make 300 threads a day complaining . It dont effect my life in anyway but obviously it really turns your crank...

No and people are free to post their opinions, just starting a new thread with the same boring topic when there are literally 4 other threads saying the same thing is dumb

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I don’t think anyone against the changes in CFB are for slavery or Jim Crow. They are overwhelmingly people who became comfortable with thinking campus 3 hots, a cot, training, and education were compensation enough. Before the top 75 programs became a business valued at $52B, it was easier to think prohibiting select students from mobility and income opportunity was okay. Those prohibitions were racially, ethnically agnostic, so no racial angle to be made here.

A good portion are also jealous that young men fresh from HS are making bank they may have never seen in their entire working life. No racial angle in that.

Given that a lot of those young men are POC, how does that exclude a racial angle?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yes, that’s precisely why I said ”is viewed as“ clawing back, by people who just want things to be as they were. I‘m opposed to an exemption and view CB as the “right“ path forward.

I'm with you. The sad thing is that it's never going back to how it was. I personally have adapted and enjoy football more than ever...except when we are so close to being white and can't seem to get there.

Oh, well, we could be South Carolina or Arkansas.

 

[AdoptedVOL]

Not as we know it.

I don’t know the solution but thinking college football is where athletes earn life money is not the answer. College is about preparing young people to contribute, serve, earn (in that order). If they contribute and serve, the earning will take care of itself over a life time.

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[S.C. OrangeMan]

Not as we know it.

I don’t know the solution but thinking college football is where athletes earn life money is not the answer. College is about preparing young people to contribute, serve, earn (in that order). If they contribute and serve, the earning will take care of itself over a life time.

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That is an absolute false dilemma.
Athletes can and do both if they have the ability. Why do you want to infringe on other people's right to make money?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Not as we know it.

I don’t know the solution but thinking college football is where athletes earn life money is not the answer. College is about preparing young people to contribute, serve, earn (in that order). If they contribute and serve, the earning will take care of itself over a life time.

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Schools have been offering money to athletes under the table and now over the table for decades and decades.

Blame the schools who want success and big media contracts. Blame the fans who pressure the schools to win at any cost.

I'm fine with knowing it sucks but the blame isn't on the athletes who are taking money offered to them for services they render for the school as athletes. That's as American as it gets.

The schools being so hungry for athletic team success that they've paid and still pay ridiculous amounts to get it. That's crap.

The fans being so hungry for athletic team success they demand "playoffs or bust no matter what you have to do to get it!" is crap also.

Taking money for rendering a service isn't crap.

 

[NCFisher]

Given that a lot of those young men are POC, how does that exclude a racial angle?

Because the Year in Residence and amateur compensation rules applied to white guys, too. That pigmented persons are also athletes is incidental, not a system based upon racial discrimination.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Because the Year in Residence and amateur compensation rules applied to white guys, too. That pigmented persons are also athletes is incidental, not a system based upon racial discrimination.

So, what skin pigmentation group has a disproportionate majority of college athletes in the revenue sports? I'll hang up and watch reruns if Tennessee football and men's and women's basketball.

 

[AdoptedVOL]

That is an absolute false dilemma.
Athletes can and do both if they have the ability. Why do you want to infringe on other people's right to make money?

I do not want to infringe on rights. Nor should taxpayers and students subsidize salaries of millionaires if they don’t choose to. Run football like a business with constraints like any business.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I do not want to infringe on rights. Nor should taxpayers and students subsidize salaries of millionaires if they don’t choose to. Run football like a business with constraints like any business.

How, exactly, do the taxpayers subsidize millionaires? Athlete subsidies come from two sources, neither if which is tax based. NIL, paid by private donors. Revenue sharing, paid by the NCAA from the House case settmenent.

Constraints like any business??? Oh, like the Sherman Antitrust Act case law that constraint the NCAA and universities from exploiting the athletes by paying far less than their fair market value? The illegal sports model that was so egregiously illegal that a bitterly divided Supreme Court voted against it 9-0 in the Ohio case? Or...were you just gaslighting?

 

[AdoptedVOL]

So, what skin pigmentation group has a disproportionate majority of college athletes in the revenue sports? I'll hang up and watch reruns if Tennessee football and men's and women's basketball.

Not sure what shade of brown has to do with anything. It should be about value to the team and not based on factors such race (we’re all human), color (we’re all brown). Cosches who’s salary depend on winning don’t care about shade. They care about performance and locker room fit.

Oi vey!

 

[Hairy Vols]

Not as we know it.

I don’t know the solution but thinking college football is where athletes earn life money is not the answer. College is about preparing young people to contribute, serve, earn (in that order). If they contribute and serve, the earning will take care of itself over a life time.

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That is not really for you to decide. How can you, as an individual, tell everyone how their college experience should look or what order their life lessons must follow? Since I joined the Army, should I have been expected to delay or avoid finishing my bachelor’s degree because my path did not fit a clean, traditional model. College provides different things for millions of people every year, and what someone takes from a university will vary based on circumstance, background, and opportunity.

Some students possess skill sets that bring in millions of dollars for their institutions. Those skills and that talent create real economic value, and it makes sense that the people producing that value are allowed to earn in accordance with what they bring in and what the market says they are worth. There is no better financial lesson than understanding your value, negotiating it, and seeing the consequences of those decisions play out in real time. That lesson does not suddenly become illegitimate because it happens on a college campus instead of in a corporate office.

These athletes are already contributing and serving in the very sense you describe. They generate revenue, exposure, and opportunity for their schools, often while putting their bodies and long term health at risk. Many of them have a short window to capitalize on that value, and for most this is not “life money” anyway. It is early money, and it can disappear quickly if they are not taught how to manage it. Allowing this process to happen within the college system creates a more transparent and educational environment rather than pushing it underground or pretending it does not exist.

College has never been one thing with one purpose. For some it is career preparation, for others it is mobility, and for some it is the only place where their talents are valued at a market level. Shielding young adults from real financial responsibility does not prepare them for life, it delays it. Letting them earn, negotiate, fail, and learn while they still have institutional support is not a betrayal of education. It may be the most honest form of it.

 

[NCFisher]

Not as we know it.

I don’t know the solution but thinking college football is where athletes earn life money is not the answer. College is about preparing young people to contribute, serve, earn (in that order). If they contribute and serve, the earning will take care of itself over a life time.

7.1K views · 116 reactions | Army football doesn’t have NIL. So Jeff Monken is often presented with this problem - his players can go make life changing money and he can’t do anything about it. This is how he handles it ⬇️ | Adam Breneman

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Contribute what and serve whom? And how does that preclude someone earning bag from doing It?

I think the first responsibility of citizenship is securing yourself financially, and not become a burden to fellow citizens. That is, to first earn - which in a market system is the reward for contributing in service of other humans needs and wants - and you can be as altruistic or beneficent as you desire. And actually at any point along that path.

Perhaps you’re an older adult who matriculated when education was predominantly a classically liberal pursuit of knowledge, and not an ideological Petri dish.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I do not want to infringe on rights. Nor should taxpayers and students subsidize salaries of millionaires if they don’t choose to. Run football like a business with constraints like any business.

Strawman, as the Athletic Dept is self funded.

Nothing whatsoever makes a school run a huge business-like Athletic Dept like UT does EXCEPT UT. Nothing. It's a choice by the school.

It's totally on the admins and Athletic Dept that chooses to seek massive donations and pay the $20 million of revenue sharing. It's not a requirement.

UT could stop this mess by minimal recruiting, minimal coaching expenses, minimal scholarship, no NIL program, etc. Simply don't participate in the madness. Stop making that choice as a school.. Fixed.

 

[Mccage]

But not everybody complains about the issues in society that they themselves created

What rock you been living under hossfly. Turn on the dam news and then look in the mirrow.

 

[NCFisher]

So, what skin pigmentation group has a disproportionate majority of college athletes in the revenue sports? I'll hang up and watch reruns if Tennessee football and men's and women's basketball.

FSB is >53% black, >41% white, <3% Hispanic, <3% Asia/PI.

If you'll recall, I responded to the assertion that if a person was against the changes occurring in college sports, we should reasonably assume the person was against ending slavery and Jim Crow. Literally.

NCAA rules against transfer or monetary compensation were not designed to target groups, but were a general prohibition. At a time when college athletics were white as rice. In neither design or practice did the rules discriminate upon basis of immutable or ethnic characteristics, nor do they today. It could not be more unlike slavery or Jim Crow.

If we're now to talk in terms of racial group representation in athletics, we can temper that observing that participating in both the NCAA restricted system and the NIL/portal/rev-sharing systems, were/are entirely voluntary. And regardless of pigmentation, equally denied personal rights.

In fact, if we're to concern ourselves superficially with raw numbers, what groups are over-represented in the NFL and today's college get-paid scenario?
Skin color is incidental to voluntary participation, not discriminatory in practice or design as the OP implied, and why I assert there's no racial angle here.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Civil

FSB is >53% black, >41% white, <3% Hispanic, <3% Asia/PI.

If you'll recall, I responded to the assertion that if a person was against the changes occurring in college sports, we should reasonably assume the person was against ending slavery and Jim Crow. Literally.

NCAA rules against transfer or monetary compensation were not designed to target groups, but were a general prohibition. At a time when college athletics were white as rice. In neither design or practice did the rules discriminate upon basis of immutable or ethnic characteristics, nor do they today. It could not be more unlike slavery or Jim Crow.

If we're now to talk in terms of racial group representation in athletics, we can temper that observing that participating in both the NCAA restricted system and the NIL/portal/rev-sharing systems, were/are entirely voluntary. And regardless of pigmentation, equally denied personal rights.

In fact, if we're to concern ourselves superficially with raw numbers, what groups are over-represented in the NFL and today's college get-paid scenario?
Skin color is incidental to voluntary participation, not discriminatory in practice or design as the OP implied, and why I assert there's no racial angle here.

Civil Right Act. Disparate impact rule.

 

[NCFisher]

Civil

Civil Right Act. Disparate impact rule.

I don't think that's how it works.

Statistical disparity alone cannot be the foundation for disparate impact liability. Further complicating in this regard, is that the offending action discriminated against every, single, student-athlete. That is, when college athletics was entirely white, it discriminated near exclusively against white players. Black players were a statistical minority for decades; are we to argue a disparate impact on behalf of white players who were impacted more, strictly by virtue of being majority percentage of participants?

Let's hope disparate impact never becomes that logically twisted, as it will cease to have meaning or just reason.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I keep seeing all these posts here and it is officially off season posting time so lets cook.

“I am done with college football it is ruined now”
“It is all about the money not like the 90s”

I am talking directly to some of yall on this board when I say this. Some of you are being hypocritical and pretending the past was something it never was.

The 90s were not clean. Everyone knew money was part of recruiting and everyone knew boosters mattered. Acting like kids were choosing schools purely out of love for tradition is not serious. The SEC was already an arms race. It just happened behind closed doors and that does not make it noble.

Do not act like Tennessee was living in a different universe. Recruits were not lining up in Knoxville just because they loved the Vols and the color orange. Benefits existed everywhere in the conference. Cars housing help jobs cash all of it. We won a national title in 1998 right in the middle of that world and players were not loyal for the Vols. The Vols were just the best at cheating at that given moment. Be for real.

Some of yall also need to stop calling that era loyalty. Players stayed because the rules punished leaving. Transfer and you sat out. Speak up and your scholarship could disappear. Scholarships were year to year and coaches held all the power. Staying was safer than leaving. Calling that loyalty now is just rewriting history to make the past feel better. 5 Stars didnt go to Bama because they loved Bama. They just knew that was their best route to the NFL. It is also why they didnt come here because Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt didn't put players in the NFL.

Another thing some of you ignore is where the real money was flowing. After the 1984 TV case college football became a business and everyone knew it. Coaching salaries exploded. Facilities turned into palaces. Conferences chased TV deals. Bowl games multiplied. Tennessee coaches were among the highest paid public employees in the state long before NIL and that was all fine for decades. But now some of you want to say “I miss when players main compensation was free college free facilities and free food.” That is a load of it and nothing but pure jealousy. Those things were never fair compensation for the money being made and the risk players took. These men over the decades made Knoxville and Neyland what they are and they deserve every penny they can legally make.

Now players can move and get paid openly and suddenly some of you are done with college football. That is hypocritical. Coaches have always left for more money. Schools have always chased bigger checks. Networks reshaped the sport for ratings and most of yall defended it. But when players finally get leverage some of you draw the line? Make it make sense.

NIL and the portal did not change college football. They just stopped the pretending. Players are doing openly what was happening quietly for decades. If some of yall were fine with players choosing SEC schools for money in the 90s then being upset now makes no sense. College football is the same. Some of you just do not like that players are no longer required to be quiet about it. This has never been about the name on the back of the jersey. It is about the name on the front. TENNESSEE. I do not care if we get a new batch of 100 players every year because it makes no difference to why I watch. I am here because of the people in my life who love the Vols. My great great grandfather my uncle my father my sister my brother hell everyone I care about. If all this other stuff is “hindering your fandom” then stop making announcement threads and just leave. New Vols will be born and you will be replaced.

I encourage and challenge any of you to bring up why you are “done” now for whatever reason, explain why I am wrong, and I will gladly disprove it. I'm about to PCS so I have some extra time to kill, lol.

Happy off season <3

Spot on!

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I love the Vols and college football and I always will. I’ll always be pulling for the guys in Orange to win! I’ll always love the trip to the hill, the tailgates, the reunion with friends, the Vol navy, the Friday night dinners and the get togethers at the hotel lounge. And most of all the running through that T and the band playing Rocky Top. And then the game played on the field. The guys in Orange winning on the field! Oh how great it will be to hear it’s Football Time in Tennessee!

 

[VolCalls]

Giving @London Vol a "LIKE" only because I like him; but in my opinion the OP is wrong. At any rate, I've lost my enthusiasm for college football, along with other "sports". I'll still cheer for Tennessee, but my heart just isn't in it like before.

I think the OP is 100% spot on. I also agree with the second part of your statement.

 

[VolCalls]

Dabo is pearl clutching.
As several callers to Fine aim's show said yesterday, he is still addicted to an obsolete model. He got in the portal too little, too late, and he doesn't know how to be successful any more. He hires friends and family as position coaches, despite their lack of coaching experience. Dabo tried to claim that he did things the right way when he liked the NCAA's blatant disregard for federal law.

Even if he gets the NCAA to take a hit in the Finelli thing, it's not going to make Clemson elite again.

What it is more likely to do is to make transfers shy away from Clemson.

The Mensah/Duke thing will probably do the same thing to Duke. It will also make smart athletes avoid NIL contracts longer than one year.

Then there is the deeper issue of the possibility that the NCAA tampering rule may violate Antitrust law. If I was an attorney fir Oke Miss or Miami, I'd go straight to federal court and use that angle.

I disagree. He may be wed to an obsolete model but what Pete Golden did after the kid was already enrolled and had signed his NIL deal was wrong. Tampering at another level.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I disagree. He may be wed to an obsolete model but what Pete Golden did after the kid was already enrolled and had signed his NIL deal was wrong. Tampering at another level.

I don't like what Ole Miss and Ferelli did. That said, the tampering rule is very likely another NCAA rule that violates Antitrust law.

A company can recruit employees and managers from other companies, and urs perfectly legal. It's a basic measure of competing in the marketplace. It would seem that this is another NCAA rule that supposedly has altruistic motives that may lose in court.

If I was Olw miss, if the NCAA gave any serious punishment, I would have the federal lawsuit ready to file, starting with a TRO, in a friendly Mississippi federal district court. I just don't see how the NCAA ultimately wins this outside of an antitrust exemption.

 

[ftsandersvol]

It amazes me that NFL coaches now have more control over their players than college coaches.

 

[Delmar]

It amazes me that NFL coaches now have more control over their players than college coaches.

Contracts have a way of doing that.