College Football Will Be Fine and You're Just Being Dramatic.

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Hairy Vols said:
I keep seeing all these posts here and it is officially off season posting time so lets cook.

“I am done with college football it is ruined now”
“It is all about the money not like the 90s”

I am talking directly to some of yall on this board when I say this. Some of you are being hypocritical and pretending the past was something it never was.

The 90s were not clean. Everyone knew money was part of recruiting and everyone knew boosters mattered. Acting like kids were choosing schools purely out of love for tradition is not serious. The SEC was already an arms race. It just happened behind closed doors and that does not make it noble.

Do not act like Tennessee was living in a different universe. Recruits were not lining up in Knoxville just because they loved the Vols and the color orange. Benefits existed everywhere in the conference. Cars housing help jobs cash all of it. We won a national title in 1998 right in the middle of that world and players were not loyal for the Vols. The Vols were just the best at cheating at that given moment. Be for real.

Some of yall also need to stop calling that era loyalty. Players stayed because the rules punished leaving. Transfer and you sat out. Speak up and your scholarship could disappear. Scholarships were year to year and coaches held all the power. Staying was safer than leaving. Calling that loyalty now is just rewriting history to make the past feel better. 5 Stars didnt go to Bama because they loved Bama. They just knew that was their best route to the NFL. It is also why they didnt come here because Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt didn't put players in the NFL.

Another thing some of you ignore is where the real money was flowing. After the 1984 TV case college football became a business and everyone knew it. Coaching salaries exploded. Facilities turned into palaces. Conferences chased TV deals. Bowl games multiplied. Tennessee coaches were among the highest paid public employees in the state long before NIL and that was all fine for decades. But now some of you want to say “I miss when players main compensation was free college free facilities and free food.” That is a load of it and nothing but pure jealousy. Those things were never fair compensation for the money being made and the risk players took. These men over the decades made Knoxville and Neyland what they are and they deserve every penny they can legally make.

Now players can move and get paid openly and suddenly some of you are done with college football. That is hypocritical. Coaches have always left for more money. Schools have always chased bigger checks. Networks reshaped the sport for ratings and most of yall defended it. But when players finally get leverage some of you draw the line? Make it make sense.

NIL and the portal did not change college football. They just stopped the pretending. Players are doing openly what was happening quietly for decades. If some of yall were fine with players choosing SEC schools for money in the 90s then being upset now makes no sense. College football is the same. Some of you just do not like that players are no longer required to be quiet about it. This has never been about the name on the back of the jersey. It is about the name on the front. TENNESSEE. I do not care if we get a new batch of 100 players every year because it makes no difference to why I watch. I am here because of the people in my life who love the Vols. My great great grandfather my uncle my father my sister my brother hell everyone I care about. If all this other stuff is “hindering your fandom” then stop making announcement threads and just leave. New Vols will be born and you will be replaced.

I encourage and challenge any of you to bring up why you are “done” now for whatever reason, explain why I am wrong, and I will gladly disprove it. I'm about to PCS so I have some extra time to kill, lol.

Happy off season <3
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The Vols is the only reason I watch now. I am done otherwise. And even if the Vols are playing? I tune out at the first mention of targeting. Don't like it? DILLIGAF?
 
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TNnative said:
The Vols is the only reason I watch now. I am done otherwise. And even if the Vols are playing? I tune out at the first mention of targeting. Don't like it? DILLIGAF?
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Why would I care if youre a bad sports fan? lol. I dont even know who you are lol.
 
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Delmar said:
One of the dumbest statements I have ever seen in here and that is saying something. Extremely poor taste and comparison. Poor attempt at trolling as well.
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Actually, there are some similarities.

Exploiting people of color for their labor without fair market compensation.

Anti free movement rules.

Inconsistent rewards and punishments.

Addiction to an obsolete business model.

A little analysis show the similarities.
 
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trout-vol said:
Nut post. This nil model is not sustainable. Some players are playing at 4 difference schools, that's terrible. What you're failing to understand is that the players and coaches are who made Tennessee great. We're essentially playing expensive rec football. Pick your new team every year. That's insane
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of course it's sustainable. Look around.

A current example are Miami buying out Mensah's deal with Duke and Clemson trying to get the NCAA to enforce the tampering rule they have ignored in the Finelli transfer to Ole Miss. ...and Ole Miss not being stupid enough to try the case in the media or online.
 
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lexkyvol said:
if you're against the current landscape of college athletics im led to believe you're against the fact that slavery ended and jim crow isn't as prominent.....at least on the surface.....as it once was!
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I don’t think anyone against the changes in CFB are for slavery or Jim Crow. They are overwhelmingly people who became comfortable with thinking campus 3 hots, a cot, training, and education were compensation enough. Before the top 75 programs became a business valued at $52B, it was easier to think prohibiting select students from mobility and income opportunity was okay. Those prohibitions were racially, ethnically agnostic, so no racial angle to be made here.

A good portion are also jealous that young men fresh from HS are making bank they may have never seen in their entire working life. No racial angle in that.
 
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TNnative said:
The Vols is the only reason I watch now. I am done otherwise. And even if the Vols are playing? I tune out at the first mention of targeting. Don't like it? DILLIGAF?
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Not rationally possible to gauge your GAF if I can’t see what you LL.
A photo would move the discussion forward.
 
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NCFisher said:
I don’t think anyone against the changes in CFB are for slavery or Jim Crow. They are overwhelmingly people who became comfortable with thinking campus 3 hots, a cot, training, and education were compensation enough. Before the top 75 programs became a business valued at $52B, it was easier to think prohibiting select students from mobility and income opportunity was okay. Those prohibitions were racially, ethnically agnostic, so no racial angle to be made here.

A good portion are also jealous that young men fresh from HS are making bank they may have never seen in their entire working life. No racial angle in that.
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I have a problem with the current state because there are no rules or guidelines. When there are no laws, you have anarchy and that’s what we have now.
 
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Delmar said:
I have a problem with the current state because there are no rules or guidelines. When there are no laws, you have anarchy and that’s what we have now.
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Sure, but unraveling what SCOTUS likened to an illegal cartel isn’t a quick fix. Danny White has put forward the correct proposition that schools and NCAA need to man up and embrace collective bargaining. The portal has already been reduced to one time annually, so that’s progress.

We’re not going back to punishing student athletes for going elsewhere or earning income, when everyone else on campus and society can do so freely. Collective bargaining will put everyone on the same legally enforceable contract basis. That is the fix.
 
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NCFisher said:
Sure, but unraveling what SCOTUS likened to an illegal cartel isn’t a quick fix. Danny White has put forward the correct proposition that schools and NCAA need to man up and embrace collective bargaining. The portal has already been reduced to one time annually, so that’s progress.

We’re not going back to punishing student athletes for going elsewhere or earning income, when everyone else on campus and society can do so freely. Collective bargaining will put everyone on the same legally enforceable contract basis. That is the fix.
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That would be true. No question the athletes needed to share in the windfall but the powers that be didn’t handle it correctly. If I’m not mistaken, I think they need Congress to act on an anti-trust exemption to get to collective bargaining and that won’t be anytime soon. Not till after the mid term elections and that’s IF they decide to take it up. Meanwhile we stay on the funny farm.
 
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Delmar said:
That would be true. No question the athletes needed to share in the windfall but the powers that be didn’t handle it correctly. If I’m not mistaken, I think they need Congress to act on an anti-trust exemption to get to collective bargaining and that won’t be anytime soon. Not till after the mid term elections and that’s IF they decide to take it up. Meanwhile we stay on the funny farm.
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They are different things. Collective bargaining gives players serious negotiating powers and employment status. Anti-trust exemption would return all the power to the NCAA/schools and is viewed as clawing back the NIL, portal, revenue-sharing gains made by players.

Those two approaches attract two different thought processes.
 
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NCFisher said:
They are different things. Collective bargaining gives players serious negotiating powers and employment status. Anti-trust exemption would return all the power to the NCAA/schools and is viewed as clawing back the NIL, portal, revenue-sharing gains made by players.

Those two approaches attract two different thought processes.
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Still looks fraught with issues to me. Might solve it but won’t collective bargaining require employment contracts between the school and the players and in effect it just becomes another professional league? Will the schools go for that?
 
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Delmar said:
Still looks fraught with issues to me. Might solve it but won’t collective bargaining require employment contracts between the school and the players and in effect it just becomes another professional league? Will the schools go for that?
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Yes, if pro league is defined as employer and employee having a contract, it would be that. Schools have fought it for decades. As some legal observers thought, Duke and Mensah reached a settlement and prevented a legal precedent. That may become the new paradigm, but it simply takes one guy or one school who refuses settlement to create case law.

I saw even Dabo Swinney just bent the knee to the reality, and opined it’s probably time for collective bargaining. I’m not surprised; I imagine coaches are damned tired of having to operate this way.

If schools don’t go for it, they become the culprit and enablers of chaotic uncertainty. That’s where fan ire should be directed. The NCAA doesn’t exist without buy-in by the schools, who can tell the org to go pound sand if they need to.
 
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NCFisher said:
They are different things. Collective bargaining gives players serious negotiating powers and employment status. Anti-trust exemption would return all the power to the NCAA/schools and is viewed as clawing back the NIL, portal, revenue-sharing gains made by players.

Those two approaches attract two different thought processes.
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An Antitrust exemption would not change the NIL situation. It might not affect transfers.

It is very unlikely that Congress will grant an ATE. It has been taken up in committee at least 3 times. It can't get enough support to get out of committee.

Congress is busy with far more important issues.

If one is granted, it pretty much has to give the athletes full employee status. That would seem to either drop the requirement for athletes to be students, or alternatively not remove the free transfer rules established by the Ohio case.

The NCAA seems to hate those ideas more than how things are now.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
An Antitrust exemption would not change the NIL situation. It might not affect transfers.

It is very unlikely that Congress will grant an ATE. It has been taken up in committee at least 3 times. It can't get enough support to get out of committee.

Congress is busy with far more important issues.

If one is granted, it pretty much has to give the athletes full employee status. That would seem to either drop the requirement for athletes to be students, or alternatively not remove the free transfer rules established by the Ohio case.

The NCAA seems to hate those ideas more than how things are now.
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Yes, that’s precisely why I said ”is viewed as“ clawing back, by people who just want things to be as they were. I‘m opposed to an exemption and view CB as the “right“ path forward.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
What does it matter to you that people complain? Nothing like complaining about people complaining...
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starting new threads every day whining about the changes in college sports when they are more popular now than at any level in history shows a lack of self-reflection and the usual fake nostalgia that Boomers fall for rather easily. So cluttering up the board every day with yet another topic of "ugh I am SO DONE with college football" or "I'm out guys I can't do this anymore" acting like they are some hero warrior when in reality they are just some fat old guy with an emotional opinion that not only is wrong but no one cares bout their feelings
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
starting new threads every day whining about the changes in college sports when they are more popular now than at any level in history shows a lack of self-reflection and the usual fake nostalgia that Boomers fall for rather easily. So cluttering up the board every day with yet another topic of "ugh I am SO DONE with college football" or "I'm out guys I can't do this anymore" acting like they are some hero warrior when in reality they are just some fat old guy with an emotional opinion that not only is wrong but no one cares bout their feelings
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Wtf you don't own this Fan Forum,people can make 300 threads a day complaining . It dont effect my life in anyway but obviously it really turns your crank...
 
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