Coaching Staff vs Recruiting Experts

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TideWarrior

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This for all those fans that get so caught up on the stars and ratings of players. Then go and complain about the staff taking some player that some so called expert does not rate very high, Good read over all.

OL: Barrett Jones, Alabama – Ranked as the No. 28 offensive tackle nationally and the No. 157 prospect in the Southeast in 2008. A grade of 78. The No. 1 offensive tackle that year nationally was Jones’ Alabama teammate, Tyler Love. Another teammate, John Michael Boswell, was also rated ahead of Jones at No. 19.

For what it’s worth, Josh Chapman was the No. 74 defensive tackle, and 18 tackles that year who signed with SEC schools were rated ahead of Chapman.

LB: Dont’a Hightower, Alabama – Ranked as the No. 26 defensive end nationally and the No. 146 prospect in the Southeast in 2008. A grade of 79. Among the defensive end prospects who signed with SEC schools that were rated ahead of Hightower that year were Chancey Aghayere, William Green, Toby Jackson and Brandon Lewis.

SEC Blog - ESPN
 
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TideWarrior said:
This for all those fans that get so caught up on the stars and ratings of players. Then go and complain about the staff taking some player that some so called expert does not rate very high, Good read over all.

OL: Barrett Jones, Alabama – Ranked as the No. 28 offensive tackle nationally and the No. 157 prospect in the Southeast in 2008. A grade of 78. The No. 1 offensive tackle that year nationally was Jones’ Alabama teammate, Tyler Love. Another teammate, John Michael Boswell, was also rated ahead of Jones at No. 19.

For what it’s worth, Josh Chapman was the No. 74 defensive tackle, and 18 tackles that year who signed with SEC schools were rated ahead of Chapman.

LB: Dont’a Hightower, Alabama – Ranked as the No. 26 defensive end nationally and the No. 146 prospect in the Southeast in 2008. A grade of 79. Among the defensive end prospects who signed with SEC schools that were rated ahead of Hightower that year were Chancey Aghayere, William Green, Toby Jackson and Brandon Lewis.

SEC Blog - ESPN
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Lesson......ESPN sucks as a recruiting service
 
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I agree, just like Sal wanting Robinson. Robinson was perfect for his defense as an OLB. Anyways, agreed Tide.
 
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It's so far away from being a science, I don't know why anyone would put that much stock in them. How many thousands or tens of thousands of recruits are there, and a few dozen people are supposed to know the relative rankings or future talent of all of them?
 
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TideWarrior said:
They all do is the real point. They usually just guess and sometimes get it right.

Scout the 58th best RB in the country for 2008

Scout.com: Mark Ingram Profile

Rivals 5 star #3 athlete in the country 2008

Burton Scott - Yahoo! Sports
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Stars matter, but not as much as people think. LSU and Bama both prove that. All the dominant runningbacks in the SEC were 5* runningbacks. They hardly miss on top players.

A team has to stay consistently in the top 15 to win a SEC championship. I don't believe you have to be in the top 3 in the SEC or top 5 nationally, but you don have to be at least in the top 15
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Stars matter, but not as much as people think. LSU and Bama both prove that. All the dominant runningbacks in the SEC were 5* runningbacks. They hardly miss on top players.

A team has to stay consistently in the top 15 to win a SEC championship. I don't believe you have to be in the top 3 in the SEC or top 5 nationally, but you don have to be at least in the top 15
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What happen to Bryce Brown or Lache. Top Rbs in their class and are where?

I agree to some point though, but what I find amazing is the fan that gets upsets with the staff because they go against the services regarding the recruiting of certian players. The most important thing is does the player fit the system.

They would do better by rating the players after NSD by looking at who they sign and how they will protect to do in that system.
 
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TideWarrior said:
What happen to Bryce Brown or Lache. Top Rbs in their class and are where?

I agree to some point though, but what I find amazing is the fan that gets upsets with the staff because they go against the services regarding the recruiting of certian players. The most important thing is does the player fit the system.

They would do better by rating the players after NSD by looking at who they sign and how they will protect to do in that system.
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I agree, about this time last year I seen a statistic about which star rating had been drafted by the NFL the last 15-20 years. I don't remember exactly but I do remember that 3-star was by far in first place, followed by 4 star, and if I remember right, 5 star and unranked players were a close 3rd and 4th, followed by 2 star. I guess alot of 5 star guys are topped out by the time they get here and 3 star guys still have tons of upside and have yet to hit there prime? It was very interesting I do remember.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Stars matter, but not as much as people think. LSU and Bama both prove that. All the dominant runningbacks in the SEC were 5* runningbacks. They hardly miss on top players.

A team has to stay consistently in the top 15 to win a SEC championship. I don't believe you have to be in the top 3 in the SEC or top 5 nationally, but you don have to be at least in the top 15
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If you click on the first link in that post you just quoted, you will find that Mark Ingram was rated at 3-stars.

Even more prove to the point: Scout.com: Jonathan Crompton Profile

Jonathan Crompton - Yahoo! Sports
 
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TideWarrior said:
What happen to Bryce Brown or Lache. Top Rbs in their class and are where?

I agree to some point though, but what I find amazing is the fan that gets upsets with the staff because they go against the services regarding the recruiting of certian players. The most important thing is does the player fit the system.

They would do better by rating the players after NSD by looking at who they sign and how they will protect to do in that system.
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I'm not denying that but they do matter. Name one Sec champion without a top 15 class. Of course they mess up on people, but they get most 5 stars right if they stay out of trouble.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Mark ingram was a 4 star on rivals and crompton was talented too. He got drafted. Its hard going through 3 different offensive coordinators in 4 years. Especially in college
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Rivals also listed Mark Ingram as the 17th rated overall athlete. Not a RB.

Brad Smelley(TE) who came up huge for UA in the NC game was rated a 3star and the 30th overall QB in the country.
 
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TideWarrior said:
Rivals also listed Mark Ingram as the 17th rated overall athlete. Not a RB.

Brad Smelley(TE) who came up huge for UA in the NC game was rated a 3star and the 30th overall QB in the country.
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Him being an athlete doesn't mean anything, he was still a very good prospect.
Of course there are players that are misevaluated, but the class that won the nc was the number 1 class in the country
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Of course there are players that are misevaluated, but the class that won the nc was the number 1 class in the country
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I just posted something on our site so I had the numbers. The starting lineup for this years NC teams had 32% of it from 3 stars or less. Meaning that a 3rd of the starting lineup only was rated as a 3 star at best. If I remember correctly that number was over 40% for the 2009 NC.
 
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235lbVol said:
I agree, about this time last year I seen a statistic about which star rating had been drafted by the NFL the last 15-20 years. I don't remember exactly but I do remember that 3-star was by far in first place, followed by 4 star, and if I remember right, 5 star and unranked players were a close 3rd and 4th, followed by 2 star. I guess alot of 5 star guys are topped out by the time they get here and 3 star guys still have tons of upside and have yet to hit there prime? It was very interesting I do remember.
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You have more 3 star athletes each year then 4 & 5 stars.
See below this is just a guess. My guess is the overall percentage is greater for a 5 star to make it then a 3 star.
1000 – 3 stars per year and 150 make it to the NFL that’s about 15%.
100 – 4 stars per year and 50 make it to the NFL that’s 50%.
20 – 5 stars per year and 15 make it to the NFL that’s 75%.
 
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TideWarrior said:
I just posted something on our site so I had the numbers. The starting lineup for this years NC teams had 32% of it from 3 stars or less. Meaning that a 3rd of the starting lineup only was rated as a 3 star at best. If I remember correctly that number was over 40% for the 2009 NC.
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3 stars are very important to a class and some people are misevaluated, or maybe the kid didn't camp a lot. Im not dogging 3 stars at all. We have no idea how hard a player is going to work in college. A little over 50% of last year's NFL draft were 3 stars or less, but you need a top 15 class to compete for the SEC championship. No team is going to win a national championship if they consistently recruit by getting 20 3 stars and 2 4 stars.

Bama has had a top 5 class the past 4 years. The number 1 class of 2008 is the national championship class.

In 2009, the last 3 classes were 11, 10, and 1.
 
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EB14GoVols said:
You have more 3 star athletes each year then 4 & 5 stars.
See below this is just a guess. My guess is the overall percentage is greater for a 5 star to make it then a 3 star.
1000 – 3 stars per year and 150 make it to the NFL that’s about 15%.
100 – 4 stars per year and 50 make it to the NFL that’s 50%.
20 – 5 stars per year and 15 make it to the
NFL that’s 75%.
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Yea , that makes sense. I'd say were both kinda right, I'd say because there are more 3star than 4&5star players helps the 3-Star numbers, but I say alot 3 star prospects hit there prime later to. It was still a very neat statistic to see.
 
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TideWarrior said:
What happen to Bryce Brown or Lache. Top Rbs in their class and are where?

I agree to some point though, but what I find amazing is the fan that gets upsets with the staff because they go against the services regarding the recruiting of certian players. The most important thing is does the player fit the system.

They would do better by rating the players after NSD by looking at who they sign and how they will protect to do in that system.
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Bryce Brown should go down as one of the worst top rated player in the country, ever!
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Mark ingram was a 4 star on rivals and crompton was talented too. He got drafted. Its hard going through 3 different offensive coordinators in 4 years. Especially in college
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Agree about Crompton to a point, but after his second half collapse against UCLA in the opener, he seemed to loose alot of confidence.
 
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TideWarrior said:
I just posted something on our site so I had the numbers. The starting lineup for this years NC teams had 32% of it from 3 stars or less. Meaning that a 3rd of the starting lineup only was rated as a 3 star at best. If I remember correctly that number was over 40% for the 2009 NC.
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Excellent post. Just because you get plenty of 4 and 5 star players doesn't mean they will be starters. How many studs has UT got the last 7 years that never saw quality playing time. Makes your class look good, but doesn't ensure they will start. Though you hope the odds are they will.
 
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I look much more heavily at offer lists than I do stars. I trust SEC coaches much more than I do rating services.
 
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jave36 said:
I look much more heavily at offer lists than I do stars. I trust SEC coaches much more than I do rating services.
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Offer lists can be just as decieving. A player may not fit in the team's system, they may not have room, the player may have never camped there. It is just as decieving.
 
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