Coaches that roll the dice...

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Hal Mumme gets my vote, that guy was nuts.

Side note, is Vince Gill coaching Texas Tech?

Stellar thread topic as always TVA (even in the wrong forum :good!:).
 
#5
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utvolpj said:
...is Vince Gill coaching Texas Tech?
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Texas Tech was protecting a 42-38 lead over third-ranked Texas five years ago when the Red Raiders faced third-and-9 with 2 ½ minutes left. Receiver Mickey Peters caught a lateral and threw to Wes Welker for a 35-yard gain that allowed the Red Raiders to run out the clock and wrap up Leach's signature victory at Texas Tech.
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Have you never heard his song "Don't Let Our Lead Start Slippin' Away"? Sorry, it was there.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
utvolpj said:
Hal Mumme gets my vote, that guy was nuts.QUOTE]



Yeah, I don't think he understood that the on 4th down you're usually supposed punt, he would go for it all the time when it was like 4th and 10 or more.
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I was at the UT/UK game in '98 when he went for an onside kick on the opening kick off I think it was and a fake punt in their endzone:lolabove:
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utvolpj said:
Yeah, I don't think he understood that the on 4th down you're usually supposed punt, he would go for it all the time when it was like 4th and 10 or more.
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I have long been convinced that teams punt way, way too much. I'd like to see some computer simulations done in which they played through several hundred games with average teams and changed around the punting logic, just to see what maximizes your chances of winning the game. I suspect that it's almost always a mistake to punt any time on the opponent's side of the field, certainly any time you've got less than 10 yards to go, and that you should go for it almost every time it's less than 4th and 5 any time you're beyond your own 35.

Obviously that would have to be modified depending on who you're playing, how good your defense is, etc. But I think that computer simulations might show that the default approach that most coaches have towards punting is far too conservative.
 
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#15
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Vercingetorix said:
I have long been convinced that teams punt way, way too much. I'd like to see some computer simulations done in which they played through several hundred games with average teams and changed around the punting logic, just to see what maximizes your chances of winning the game. I suspect that it's almost always a mistake to punt any time on the opponent's side of the field, certainly any time you've got less than 10 yards to go, and that you should go for it almost every time it's less than 4th and 5 any time you're beyond your own 35.

Obviously that would have to be modified depending on who you're playing, how good your defense is, etc. But I think that computer simulations might show that the default approach that most coaches have towards punting is far too conservative.
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Good point. 8 of the 12 SEC teams converted on 50% or more of their 4th down attempts. And, every single one of them attempted more than 10 times.
4TH-DN CONVERSIONS G Conv Att Pct
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1. Auburn.............. 13 11 14 78.6
2. LSU................. 13 13 17 76.5
3. Georgia............. 13 9 14 64.3
4. Vanderbilt.......... 12 11 20 55.0
5. Tennessee........... 13 6 11 54.5
6. Alabama............. 13 7 13 53.8
7. Florida............. 14 9 18 50.0
Kentucky............ 13 11 22 50.0
9. South Carolina...... 13 9 20 45.0
10.Ole Miss............ 12 10 23 43.5
11.Mississippi St...... 12 5 15 33.3
12.Arkansas............ 14 4 13 30.8
 
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UT IE 95 said:
So you gauge CPF on his recent record, but you still want to put Spurrier in the top two based on his performance at Florida in the 90's? He's been anything but flashy in college football since 2001.
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What did Spurrier do with lesser talent in 2005 at USC? :ermm:
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
Good point. 8 of the 12 SEC teams converted on 50% or more of their 4th down attempts. And, every single one of them attempted more than 10 times.
4TH-DN CONVERSIONS G Conv Att Pct
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1. Auburn.............. 13 11 14 78.6
2. LSU................. 13 13 17 76.5
3. Georgia............. 13 9 14 64.3
4. Vanderbilt.......... 12 11 20 55.0
5. Tennessee........... 13 6 11 54.5
6. Alabama............. 13 7 13 53.8
7. Florida............. 14 9 18 50.0
Kentucky............ 13 11 22 50.0
9. South Carolina...... 13 9 20 45.0
10.Ole Miss............ 12 10 23 43.5
11.Mississippi St...... 12 5 15 33.3
12.Arkansas............ 14 4 13 30.8
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Interesting stats. I don't know that they would hold up if going for it on 4th became more routine, but it's certainly worth thinking about.

It just makes sense. Whenever you punt, you're willingly committing a turnover in return for ~35 yards of field position. And whenever you're on the other side of the 50, the possibility of a touchback means that that it's more likely that you're willingly committing that turnover for more like 15 yards of field position. Yeah, you can sometimes pin a team deep and get a safety or a three-and-out, but I bet you could score a lot more points in the long run by not just giving up on those drives in the first place.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Seven wins and a trip to a bowl game at South Carolina is an achievement not to be discounted.
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They went 9-3 three years earlier with a bowl win against Ohio St.

I am just laughing at the logic saying Steve Spurrier is the great gambler. He was - back in 2001, but recently, not so much.
 
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I agree. He really doesn't call all that many trick plays or go for it on 4th down a lot. He just runs a successful; pass happy offense.
 
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