Coach Jones Fired After 2016? COME ON Mr. Calhoun!

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ToptheTerrible said:
I read this stupid piece. Nothing more than lazy journalism. Good grief we could come up with a scenario where Saban could get canned .......

Goes 0-12
Caught with multiple male hookers
Arrested for moving kilos of coke

About as likely as some of the scenarios in that lazy piece of journalism.
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OK which of those would be more feasible to arrange?
 
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With the lack of good teams in the SEC and UT's schedule...Anything other than a loss to Alabama is going to be hard to swallow. Here is why:

VT - Shouldn't lose to a first year head coach

UF - Enough is enough!!! QB issues

UGA - Shouldn't lose to a first year head coach that's never been a head coach

TAM - They have a sack full of issues and not that talented

UA - Defending National champs (Better not lose by a big margin/ Their new QB should be rattled at Neyland unless UT makes lets him play like a Heisman candidate early on)

USC - Shouldn't lose to a first year head coach

UK - It's UK

VU - It's VU
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Don't you mean Martha's Vineyard? :good!:
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No, DC is where we send them to sexually assault male and female interns and Martha's Vineyard is where they can do that without charges being brought because everybody else is getting their freak on too.

Oh wait, they did that in Philly and Cleveland this year.:)
 
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jbr82 said:
The problem wasn't firing Fulmer.....it was the hiring part. UT stinks at the hiring part. Worse administration for a big program in my opinion.

We are tired of mediocrity and falling short. CBJ better lead this roster to ATL IMO
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Fact!!! Fulmer lead us down the hill.
 
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jbr82 said:
The problem wasn't firing Fulmer.....it was the hiring part. UT stinks at the hiring part. Worse administration for a big program in my opinion.

We are tired of mediocrity and falling short. CBJ better lead this roster to ATL IMO
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Where are you from? he is moving a program that Dooley and Kiffin put in the hole and is succeeding in recruiting ( which had to come first) and in moving the program in wins as well. So wait til the end of this year to be so dang negative. If he makes it to Atlanta, which I believe he will, you will probably be a no show.
 
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If you want to see mediocrity, and a program who is content with that, see Iowa Hawkeyes...yes, they had a good season last year, but had one of the softest schedules in division one ball. Look what happened to them in the Big Ten championship against Michigan State, then in the Rose Bowl against Stanford- got whooped in both games. That said, the year before, a young Tennessee team kicked the crap out of them in bowl game. Tennessee would have whooped them again last year. Point is, Iowa has had Kirk Ferentz for a coach for 17 years, where he has just won 2 Big Ten championships, and is 6-7 in bowl games. I think Butch has done a great job so far, but I would hate to see Tennessee settle for a coach who is content with being average like the moron at Iowa. Yeah, I may live in Iowa, but have been a Vols fan my whole life...can't stand the idiots around here that think the chokeyes are so great when they get to a bowl game on 6 wins most years, and 5 of the 6 wins come against D2 or D3 shools...oh, and they just announced they are going to stop their in-state rivalry with Iowa State next year to get a more competitive game...replaced with a local D3 school, Grinnell! Yeah, replace a D1 school with a D3 school for a more competitive game! HaHA!
 
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Volsfromiowa said:
If you want to see mediocrity, and a program who is content with that, see Iowa Hawkeyes...yes, they had a good season last year, but had one of the softest schedules in division one ball. Look what happened to them in the Big Ten championship against Michigan State, then in the Rose Bowl against Stanford- got whooped in both games. That said, the year before, a young Tennessee team kicked the crap out of them in bowl game. Tennessee would have whooped them again last year. Point is, Iowa has had Kirk Ferentz for a coach for 17 years, where he has just won 2 Big Ten championships, and is 6-7 in bowl games. I think Butch has done a great job so far, but I would hate to see Tennessee settle for a coach who is content with being average like the moron at Iowa. Yeah, I may live in Iowa, but have been a Vols fan my whole life...can't stand the idiots around here that think the chokeyes are so great when they get to a bowl game on 6 wins most years, and 5 of the 6 wins come against D2 or D3 shools...oh, and they just announced they are going to stop their in-state rivalry with Iowa State next year to get a more competitive game...replaced with a local D3 school, Grinnell! Yeah, replace a D1 school with a D3 school for a more competitive game! HaHA!
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Two conference titles in the last 17 years is more than the Vols have won.

PLUS, UT Has won 13 SEC titles in the 83 years the conference has been in existence. If you do the math, that works out to around 2.7 titles every 17 seasons. And the Vols have the second most titles in conference history. Maybe you want to revise your slam on Ferenz's record in this regard, because it isn't like UT is winning league titles at a much higher rate.

FURTHER, UT's overall bowl record is 27-24, which is not worlds better than Ferenz's bowl record, either.

Look, I want to see the football team win championships too, but I get tired of seeing our fan base hold our history out as being something far greater than it really is. A little realism never hurt anybody.
 
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08Vol said:
So basically Gus Malzhan. Do you think he should be on the hot seat at AU after winning the SEC and having a lead in the National Championship game until 30 seconds were left?
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(This has nothing to do with Butch Jones - just Malzahn)

Yes. He's Larry Coker.

Did great with other recruits, but there is much more to being a head coach than just winning with the other guy's team. You have to hire the right coaches and keep the staff together just like at any office job. If your team thinks the leader sucks, its going to go down hill at some point.
 
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EZE said:
Two conference titles in the last 17 years is more than the Vols have won.

PLUS, UT Has won 13 SEC titles in the 83 years the conference has been in existence. If you do the math, that works out to around 2.7 titles every 17 seasons. And the Vols have the second most titles in conference history. Maybe you want to revise your slam on Ferenz's record in this regard, because it isn't like UT is winning league titles at a much higher rate.

FURTHER, UT's overall bowl record is 27-24, which is not worlds better than Ferenz's bowl record, either.

Look, I want to see the football team win championships too, but I get tired of seeing our fan base hold our history out as being something far greater than it really is. A little realism never hurt anybody.
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Good points. I guess I didn't mention Ferentz is the highest paid state employee, with an average salary of around $5 million per year, and a clause that states he gets that pay until 2020, even if fired. I feel pretty strongly that the SEC is also a much harder conference than the Big Ten across the board....yeah, there is Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, and sometimes Penn State, but those teams don't have the same level of competition the SEC has had in conference play, at least not in the past 25 years. Also, with the 2 divisions, Iowa doesn't even play any of those teams most of the time. No national championships for Iowa either...Just my two cents on what the Iowa team has done under Ferentz. I think BJ is in good shape, just don't think UT would keep him for as long a tenure as Ferentz, if he has similar results.
 
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Catbone said:
Let's be honest. There will be tons calling for his head if we lose all four of Florida, Alabama, Texas AM, and UGA. That would be completely unacceptable.
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I'm not gonna lie. If we go 9-4 but lose these 4, I may not say it, but I'll be thinking it. Unless Dobbs, Hurd, Barnett, and a couple others are all hurt at that point, it would inexcusable.
 
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ManchesterV said:
I'm not gonna lie. If we go 9-4 but lose these 4, I may not say it, but I'll be thinking it. Unless Dobbs, Hurd, Barnett, and a couple others are all hurt at that point, it would inexcusable.
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I'll be vocal. There will be NO excuse for being 1-11 vs. FL, GA and Bammer... other than CBJ isn't the guy. Honestly, at this point, I have no idea why he's 0-fer against FL. None.
 
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Tired of losing to Bama but welcome to the club of everyone else losing to them, more sick of losing to gaturds, let the slimey reptiles slip thru our hands last 2 yrs, that needs to stop!!!
 
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Wat? said:
He could win every game including the SEC championship game and the first playoff game, but lose in the National Championship game by 1 point and there would be some moron calling for him to be fired. The world is full of idiots, just have to look at Wash. DC to see that.
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Hyperbole much?
 
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TNinOR said:
Caleb Calhoun published an article today on allfortennessee.com titled, "How Tennessee Vols Head Coach Butch Jones Could Get Fired After 2016 Season" []Page not found - All for Tennessee

The gist is that a 9-4 showing, with the Vols losing to Florida, Alabama and Georgia, would put Coach Jones on the hot seat, and a 7-5 or 6-6 showing would be enough to get him fired right away.

But, imo, the only conceivable thing that could get Coach Jones fired this year is a losing record. But if we are talking about him being on the hot seat for a 9-4, or 8-5 showing, sorry, but that's just ridiculous.

I mean, haven't we learned our lesson? Look at what the quick-twitch firing of Coach Fulmer got us. Much more patience should have been shown there considering what he had done for Tennessee football up to that point. Given another year or two, there is a good chance he would have made the big splash hires he needed to make to get things back on track.

Besides, as Mr. Calhoun points out, anybody can see the quality of the athletes CBJ has put on the field for us since he was hired. And I actually agree that it is now up to him to make use of that talent by proving he can be a great motivator, strategist and field general and giving the players the best chance of getting us some championships -- something that didn't happen last year, though the talent seemed to be there.

But let's say the team does under-perform this year, and even the next. We still need to be patient to see if CBJ is willing to learn from that and to do what it takes to improve in those on-field areas, or whether he will let his ego rule and try to pass the blame on down the line like our last coach did. I believe he is the type of guy who is able to do the former if that happens, and barring a complete break down (5-7, 6-6 type records over the next two years) we need to be patient and give him at least three more years if championships are not immediately forthcoming.

But what am I saying? I think we are going to win big, so this is all probably a pointless discussion :dance2:
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Fulmer wasn't quick twitch....at all.

Yeah, I went there.
 
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TVOL71 said:
They would have to lose 8 or more for there to be any chance of Jones being fired, and even then it probably wouldn't happen, but 7 or less wins may put him on the hot seat next year.
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7-5 with this roster would rival 2005 as the biggest underachievement in UT history. The schedule practically gifts 8 wins.
 
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