Cignetti & May gonna win Nattys in year 2

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Well, we could fire all our coaches and start that 2 year countdown, but with White making the hires, we'd have a royal fuster cluck. Our only hope is that ND or some other name program comes and steals Danny boy away. Until that day, we will continue to wander in the wilderness.
 
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The common theme for both guys is an influx of money allowing Cignetti to assemble the team he wanted and May to assemble the team he wanted.

Both guys are competent, knowledgeable coaches who knew what they needed to win and they went out and got those players because they had the cash AND the right players were available for them.

For some programs the cash will probably always be available but the right players aren't always available. The "power schools" that have a good recruiting and portal classes year in and year out will still have the edge IMO.
 
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wmcovol said:
I’m not bitchin about our coaches. I just notice a definite difference in the comments after Cignetti won in 2 & nothing being said with May winning it after 2.
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Michigan had won a national title and been to 8 final fours before May ever stepped on campus. Indiana had never won 10 games in a season before Cignetti arrived. He did that in year 1 and topped that by going 16-0 and winning the national title in yr 2.
 
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wmcovol said:
I’m not bitchin about our coaches. I just notice a definite difference in the comments after Cignetti won in 2 & nothing being said with May winning it after 2.
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Indiana’s approach to the portal was super effective. A lot of people will emulate that going forward. Cignetti also is a great coach.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The common theme for both guys is an influx of money allowing Cignetti to assemble the team he wanted and May to assemble the team he wanted.

Both guys are competent, knowledgeable coaches who knew what they needed to win and they went out and got those players because they had the cash AND the right players were available for them.

For some programs the cash will probably always be available but the right players aren't always available. The "power schools" that have a good recruiting and portal classes year in and year out will still have the edge IMO.
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I find it doubtful that Indiana was very high in terms of spending. Top 15? Maybe. Top 5 or 10, doubtful
 
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wmcovol said:
Mich really spent big for their team. They were 8-24 two years ago.
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These folks who say it takes time simply aren’t paying attention. Both have proven they are great coaches. Cig paid his dues and succeeded at lower levels. May, made it to the F4 at Florida Atlantic. Combine that with a budget and full throated support? Win.

While the Indiana Strength hire was absolutely savage, I don’t see the roster building on Heupel’s end to get it done and compete at a championship level. While Lane Kiffin is finding a way to stack proven QBs, Heupel is going into a year with ZERO proven production. Not good.

Barnes? He’s won and he seems to have the desire to do what it takes to fund and build a roster. There’s little question he has the desire to get it done, I just question the execution. The assistant hire was a bit let down, IMO. A defensive coach? Really? Hiring an offensive mind would have been a clear statement to the potential transfers that we are going to operate differently. It seems Barnes thinks that just having scorers will solve his offensive woes. It won’t.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Michigan has been good at basketball before. IU at football? Not so much.
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I think before Cig got to IU they were the worst Power 4/5 program I guess by win percentage or some other metric. That’s pretty bad considering there were the Kansas, Vandy’s and Duke footballs of the world that basically conceded their football schedule every year for decades.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I find it doubtful that Indiana was very high in terms of spending. Top 15? Maybe. Top 5 or 10, doubtful
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It's money and coaching and getting lucky to assemble the right guys at the right time. That's what Indiana did but it's not sustainable.

Cignetti can coach and create a culture. It starts there and that can remain consistent.

As long as Mark Cuban wants Indiana to have money, they can have enough money so that's consistent, for the moment at least.

What's not consistent and won't be consistent is the availability of the right guys in the portal or how "persuadable" (re: can they be bought?) they are.

People seem to think the portal is like a parts box that has everything you need nice and labeled and ready for you to just pick up a shiny good part whenever you want. That's not reality.

I see a lot of "just go get an upper classman with experience" like SEC talent just overflows in the portal. How is that reality based?
 
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GSPVol said:
Well, we could fire all our coaches and start that 2 year countdown, but with White making the hires, we'd have a royal fuster cluck. Our only hope is that ND or some other name program comes and steals Danny boy away. Until that day, we will continue to wander in the wilderness.
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do you remember the pre-White era?

we may not be in the promised land, but we left that particular hell a long time ago. I would take 2025 against almost any year in the last 20 years.
 
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