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Knife-wielding man beheads fellow passenger on bus

A passenger traveling on a bus across Canada's vast Western plains stabbed, gutted and decapitated a man seated next to him in an unexplained attack, a witness told media Thursday.

The victim had been sleeping before he was repeatedly stabbed in the chest by a man with a large knife, witness Garnet Caton told public broadcaster CBC.

The other 35 passengers and driver were jolted by "blood-curdling screams" and fled. "He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton.
When Caton and two others returned to check on the victim, he said they saw the attacker "cutting the guy's head off and gutting him."
"While we were watching ... he calmly walked up to the front (of the bus) with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stared at us and dropped the head right in front of us."
Police then surrounded the bus and arrested the man, he said. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said they were investigating a "major incident" that occurred at 9 pm Wednesday (0200 GMT Thursday) on a Greyhound bus traveling eastbound from Edmonton to Winnipeg, but offered no details.

Wow!
 
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I don't know if it just a sign of the times or a cultural matter, but the kids at VT did not fight back either.

Do you think that it is a herd mentality kind of thing...is the difference just having that one person brave enough to stand up...and then others will have the courage to follow?
 
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Police report should later read....Somehow, the suspect was accidentally shot 50-60 times en route.
 
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Do you think that it is a herd mentality kind of thing...is the difference just having that one person brave enough to stand up...and then others will have the courage to follow?

I do think that has a lot to do with it.

Maybe I am an exception but I will teach my son and all my future children how to defend themselves.

I don't mean to purposely go out and harm someone, but is a situation arises they will know how to handle it.

Kind of like dad saying.... you had better not start a fight but you better end em.
 
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i couldn't imagine seeing some guy just start stabbing another person for no reason. i think the shock would make it very hard to act.
 
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i couldn't imagine seeing some guy just start stabbing another person for no reason. i think the shock would make it very hard to act.

Absolutely...but if someone else jumped up and did something you would probably help...there's a huge barrier to that first action.
 
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It has a lot to do with every thing you guys are talking about. I am basing every thing on what I would do. My first reaction would be to investigate why someone is screaming and then afterward go to town on old boy. It is simply how I am programmed at this point in my life. I probably shouldn't be as harsh on people for not acting because it is something they are not exposed to.
 
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Something you have to consider here. Typical thinking would be this nutjob has a large knife and clearly has no qualms about slashing a guy. You are (probably) unarmed. Unless you can surprise the dude and disarm him, guess who the next victim is gonna be?
Me personally I would probably just bum rush him because I could care less about whether he gets in a slash or 20. He would at least know I was there.
 
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Something you have to consider here. Typical thinking would be this nutjob has a large knife and clearly has no qualms about slashing a guy. You are (probably) unarmed. Unless you can surprise the dude and disarm him, guess who the next victim is gonna be?
Me personally I would probably just bum rush him because I could care less about whether he gets in a slash or 20. He would at least know I was there.

If you know how to disarm or combat a person with a knife that is a totally different scenario, but in general poeple do not have that type of training.

It is a wonder that no one would grap a fire extenquisher and shock the man with a spray and attempt to bash his brains in.
 
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If you know how to disarm or combat a person with a knife that is a totally different scenario, but in general poeple do not have that type of training.

It is a wonder that no one would grap a fire extenquisher and shock the man with a spray and attempt to bash his brains in.

Is this what they teach you in Krav Maga?
 
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It has a lot to do with every thing you guys are talking about. I am basing every thing on what I would do. My first reaction would be to investigate why someone is screaming and then afterward go to town on old boy. It is simply how I am programmed at this point in my life. I probably shouldn't be as harsh on people for not acting because it is something they are not exposed to.


Is that what you do for motorist that fail to wear their seat belt? :)
 
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1. There is no way anyone should travel by any mass transit with a bunch of strangers and not have some means of defense. Knife, pepper spray, stun-gun, something.

2. I've carried a decent size knife of some kind or other since my grandpa gave me a Schrade LB-5 for my 4th grade Christmas. I now have a Spyderco Military CF (carbon fiber) on me almost all the time. (pretty big knife but the CF makes it carry like a much smaller one) I'd like to think the guy was occupied enough with what he was doing for me to have simply come up behind him and put in a good thrust right at the base of the skull.

2A. What are Canada's laws? It sounds crazy but if you hurt somebody, for ANY reason, even defense of self or others, you can find yourself in real legal trouble. Some states still require that you demonstrate you ran like a scared mouse before being allowed to use force to defend yourself IN YOUR OWN HOME. The "castle law" doctrines have caught on somewhat and in some states they've made it a lot easier to stand your ground. Still, the first thing you do if you hurt somebody, I don't care HOW clear cut the situation appears, is call your lawyer. I've got a lawyer friend and she'd get a call before I even called the cops.
 
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Is that what you do for motorist that fail to wear their seat belt? :)

No, but it is good law enforcement tool to have a reason to pull someone over.

Why, run them through the system and see if they have any warrants.

Personally I think speeding is silly but there are other things you can focus on.
 
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I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with riding a bus like Greyhound, and some very good people do ride them, (my daughter had to ride once), but I have seen some of the "characters" that ride them, and hang around a lot of the bus stations, and I would be scared myself to ride on one of them alone, or without some sort of protection.
 

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