Chris Low's comments really IRKED me !!

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dcgf05 said:
if/when tennessee drops fulmer, they will be spending at least 4 million/season to get a coach that will appease the fanbase. I agree that TN doesn't have the recruits of a FL or GA and it will take a big move to put us the in the position of a future national power. sad but true.
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Part of it is simple exposure. If you're Florida, the risk of taking a chance on a guy from Utah is not that enormous, because if things don't work out you still have all these four- and five-star recruits falling out of the trees outside your door. Tennessee can't afford to fall off the national radar for a few years. The rational thing to do is to go hire somebody like Gary Patterson that you know can coach the hell out of football, but I kind of think that the smartest thing to do would be to go throw a ridiculous amount of money at the sexiest coach you can hire. Tennessee football needs a rebranding; it's imperative that we regain our national profile for recruiting. We need them talking about us on Sportscenter and Gameday. Gary Patterson is a hell of a football coach, but he's not going to make that happen unless he wins immediately.

Cf.: the best football pick in last year's draft for the Falcons would have been to take Glenn Dorsey. They took a QB instead, which I howled about, in large part because the organization needed to move on very publicly from Vick. (Bonus: Ryan looks great.) I sort of think Tennessee needs to make a similarly public moving-on move right now.
 
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vol66 said:
What is everyone going to do if Duke beats UNC in FOOTBALL the last game of the season? I know it's a huge if, but...is it possible? Carroll, Gruden, Cowher, Lovie Smith, Kiffen and daddy too(they want a package deal). There's 5 off the top of my head.
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I don't judge a coach off of one game. If I did, I'd want Chris Peterson on the sidelines next year. As far as your list goes, there's only one reasonable coach on it, Kiffen.
 
#28
#28
Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Uh, I heard that interview. He said that all those states have large recruiting bases(true), that someone taking over the UT job would be at a disadvantage recruiting wise(true), and that a coach getting paid at a similar rate to what we would offer in a smaller BCS conference would have an easier time winning 10+ games a year there(true). What are you taking issue with? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Who determines which states have large recruiting bases? What is the proof that Alabama, Georgia, Lousianna, and Florida are all better states to recruit from than Tennessee? This could start a whole new thread I'm sure. We recruit nationally too...not just out of of the Southeast.



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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">I love Tennessee, I am a student at Tennessee, but all of you people who think it is a job people across the country are lining up for are insane. A number of BCS schools can offer similar pay, similar facilities, similar fan support, and a much easier place to recruit to. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Let me slip on my shades then. I do think people will line up to coach here. If anything...considering the talent we've had we have under achieved. We are a storied program with a long history. We're right up there with the Michigan I can tell you that and they had no trouble hiring what was perceived to be a top level coach. Do you not think we are on equal footing with Michigan?



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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">We bring tradition, but ask Nebraska how that's going now that they are getting squeezed out of their traditional recruiting bases in Oklahoma and Texas(OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech, A&M, hell they're even fighting Baylor for some 3 stars). </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
They're getting squeezed out because they've not been winning plain and simple. They've not been winning because they've not made the right hires.


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">I'm not trying to be negative here, and I'm sure we'll find a good coach, but we're either going to have to overpay or take a chance on an up and comer. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Did Alabama overpay? Did LSU overpay? If so then let the boosters overpay. So long as state money isn't being used I'm all for the boosters hiring the best we can get.



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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Don't shoot the messenger when he says there are 4-5 schools in the SEC that offer 90%(or more) of what we offer tradition wise who also happen to have a bigger pool of local talent. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I enjoyed what you wrote and appreciate your sentiments but I'm not shooting the messenger. To me Low made it sound as though we can't expect the best. That's simply not true and I disagree. Again, we recruit nationally and with all that we offer we should be able to beat Saban, Meyer, Miles, and Richt for recruits. What do those programs have that we do not...and more? Alabama has more National Championships...I'll give them that. But not in the modern era. No other place has more money ( if the boosters pony up ) and no other place has better facilities and no other place in the SEC has a stadium that packs in over 100K.

Will we lose some recruits because of the other coaches? Certainly. Should we be able to compete and cause them to lose some too? Certainly. But if we keep losing games like we're doing then it'll get worse and worse.


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Add in the fact that those 4-5 schools almost all have highly paid, successful, proven coaches at them and that UT fans will not accept rebuilding years at all and you're going to be hard pressed to convince some established coach to come here without throwing him Saban money. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
It's the nature of the business and I doubt seriously that anyone is going to get an offer for this job and turn it down unless they are already in a very successful situation now at a very highly paid job. Of course I don't see Tennessee or any other major college being able to hire away a current NFL coach or anyone like Carroll that's already in a winning situation. For those that think somehow Tennessee could hire Saban away from Alabama...I hope they're joking but nobody could do that at the moment.


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">That's reality people. We should learn to deal with it. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
You have your position and your glasses obviously have a bit less tint to them than mine. So be it. Time will tell.


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Edit: Meyer was from Utah, a similar level to a Chris Petersen or someone like him. Saban was from Michigan State originally(Brian Kelly at Cincinatti would be similar), then from a pro job he obviously didn't enjoy and at the whim of a 5 million dollar offer(are we going to offer that in the middle of a recession?). Richt was a highly thought of assistant. There are plenty of guys out there that fit the first and third criteria, but the only guy who meets the middle one(ie, an established BCS championship level coach) is Butch Davis, and we would have to throw the same kind of money at him Bama did to get him to leave a school that A) has large financial resources due to basketball, and B) is in an easier conference to win in. Throw in C) He wins 8 games a year there and he's a saint and D) He wins 8 a year here and we'll want to run him off and you tell me why he would come here for less than 5 mill a year? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Maybe Davis would be a good fit. I just don't think so. As with anything else sometimes you have to roll the dice and see what turns up. I would love to be wrong about him and would want nothing more than for him to come and coach the Vols to a National Championship. Anything less than competing for it year in and year out is unacceptable.
 
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Well first of all the going rate for top notch coaches is gonna be in the 4 mill mark or more, so money isn't going to be a factor unless the UT admin makes it so. Money is not an issue...end of story. If anybody (boosters, admin) implies that it is at UT then there saying that UT football is not that big of a deal anymore...now given that football is the cash cow there, that it funds everything then I highly doubt that as well.

The problem at UT is not recruiting as of yet...the longer Fulmer stays then it will be...the problem has been player developement. It's just something along with good football fundamentals that's slipped through the cracks at UT for the last decade. UT is always going to have good talent but lets say UF has better talent...the question is will our staff be better. That is what UT is gonna have to rely on with the next hire...a solid staff that knows the X and O's and one that can develope talent and use what they have to the utmost. Once that starts happening then the whole recruiting cycle turns...maybe those kids that were a lock for UGA or UF...suddenly take a chance on UT. That's the way it has always happened here...some kids are gonna go where theres excitement. 12 years ago...UT was an exciting place to play and while we're never gonna totally live off FL, LA or GA talent we've always been able to go into those states and get great players to offset our lack of TN talent. The problem now is that Fulmer has cut himself off at the knees as much as the other schools with our lack of success...let's face it, is it more exciting to play for UGA or UT. Well if I'm a GA kid being recruited by both I'm probably gonna go to GA. Realize this, Saban is winning with half a team that wasn't his. Heck the guy has really on had one solid recruiting class. He's winning because he's a damned good coach. Winning breeds success...success breeds great recruiting.

That's the biggest issue when it comes to recruiting and Low should know that. Chris Low should also know that coaches are a different breed. You would think he'd know that as a journalist...heck who knew Saban would take the Bama job but he did and bet your life that it wasn't all that Bama tradition that convinced him to come...$$$ had alot to do with it.

UT will be no different if the higher ups want it to be so...the cash is there, the facilities are there, the fan base is still there, the players are there. It may take 6 mill to get the coach we want but you don't here OU or Bama complaining.
 
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VolnTEARS? said:
Who determines which states have large recruiting bases? What is the proof that Alabama, Georgia, Lousianna, and Florida are all better states to recruit from than Tennessee? This could start a whole new thread I'm sure. We recruit nationally too...not just out of of the Southeast.
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From the AJC:

States with the most NFL players

California: 198
Texas: 173
Florida: 169
Georgia: 84
Ohio: 65
Pennsylvania: 65
Louisiana: 62
Virginia: 56
North Carolina: 53
South Carolina: 49
Mississippi: 47
Illinois: 47
Alabama: 46

I found the list on which that's based, and Tennessee is about 10 more places down the list with 23, which is half of Alabama's total. And a third of Louisiana's total, and a fourth of Georgia's, and an eighth of Florida's. Just under Maryland and just above Wisconsin and Indiana. We don't recruit nationally because we want to; we recruit nationally because very, very few good football players come out of the state of Tennessee.
 
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From the AJC:

States with the most NFL players

California: 198
Texas: 173
Florida: 169
Georgia: 84
Ohio: 65
Pennsylvania: 65
Louisiana: 62
Virginia: 56
North Carolina: 53
South Carolina: 49
Mississippi: 47
Illinois: 47
Alabama: 46

I found the list on which that's based, and Tennessee is about 10 more places down the list with 23, which is half of Alabama's total. And a third of Louisiana's total, and a fourth of Georgia's, and an eighth of Florida's. Just under Maryland and just above Wisconsin and Indiana. We don't recruit nationally because we want to; we recruit nationally because very, very few good football players come out of the state of Tennessee.
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Good post.

I wonder what is is per capita? It's obvious that the two most populated states would have the most.
 
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State population estimates as of July 2006:

1. California - 36,457,549
2. Texas - 23,507,783
3. New York - 19,306,183
4. Florida - 18,089,888
5. Illinois - 12,831,970
6. Pennsylvania - 12,440,621
7. Ohio - 11,478,006
8. Michigan - 10,095,643
9. Georgia - 9,363,941
10. North Carolina - 8,856,505
11. New Jersey - 8,724,560
12. Virginia - 7,642,884
13. Massachusetts - 6,437,193
14. Washington - 6,395,798
15. Indiana - 6,313,520
16. Arizona - 6,166,318
17. Tennessee - 6,038,803
18. Missouri - 5,842,713
19. Maryland - 5,615,727
20. Wisconsin - 5,556,506
21. Minnesota - 5,167,101
22. Colorado - 4,753,377
23. Alabama - 4,599,030
24. South Carolina - 4,321,249
25. Louisiana - 4,287,768
26. Kentucky - 4,206,074
27. Oregon - 3,700,758
28. Oklahoma - 3,579,212
29. Connecticut - 3,504,809
30. Iowa - 2,982,085
31. Mississippi - 2,910,540
32. Arkansas - 2,810,872
33. Kansas - 2,764,075
34. Utah - 2,550,063
35. Nevada - 2,495,529
36. New Mexico - 1,954,599
37. West Virginia - 1,818,470
38. Nebraska - 1,768,331
39. Idaho - 1,466,465
40. Maine - 1,321,574
41. New Hampshire - 1,314,895
42. Hawaii - 1,285,498
43. Rhode Island - 1,067,610
44. Montana - 944,632
45. Delaware - 853,476
46. South Dakota - 781,919
47. Alaska - 670,053
48. North Dakota - 635,867
49. Vermont - 623,908
50. Wyoming - 515,004
 
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#34
If U want the best coaches, U go where they are. The NFL. Failing that, I am sure now that NFL Europe is kaput, there must be several from there available. Go Pro Baby!
 
#36
#36
sure the lack of talent in the state hurts, buts its not like its bone dry.
Oklahoma, Michigan have as much talent as we have had in the state and have good programs traditionally.
Imagne if Fulmer landed Jones, Jordan and Hightower last year class wouldnt have looked so bad.
 
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#38
Vercingetorix said:
From the AJC:

States with the most NFL players

California: 198
Texas: 173
Florida: 169
Georgia: 84
Ohio: 65
Pennsylvania: 65
Louisiana: 62
Virginia: 56
North Carolina: 53
South Carolina: 49
Mississippi: 47
Illinois: 47
Alabama: 46

I found the list on which that's based, and Tennessee is about 10 more places down the list with 23, which is half of Alabama's total. And a third of Louisiana's total, and a fourth of Georgia's, and an eighth of Florida's. Just under Maryland and just above Wisconsin and Indiana. We don't recruit nationally because we want to; we recruit nationally because very, very few good football players come out of the state of Tennessee.
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That advantage really has worked out well for Mississippi huh? Maybe them having terrible coaching has something to do with it?
 
#39
#39
i heard the guy they call mr. Sec on the radio the other day. He said the people saying tenn cant throw big money around are crazy. Said they can throw a 5 yr 30 million contract at any coach they want with no problems. Said the new espn deal helps big time. Said if they dont, its not because they cant, its because they dont want to.
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#40
VolnTEARS? said:
Great reply and I agree. If you want the best you have to pay the best. We can go out with guns a blazing and offer the next coach less money than the other top four in the SEC.

Very well said indeed.

People say, "well we can't pay what Alabama pays." Why not? Why can they pay it and we can't?

Are they a state school?

Are we not supported by boosters too? Oh, the Alabama boosters are richer? Well kiss my grits I didn't know that.

Does the University of Tennessee not rake in millions of dollars and do they not have a business department that can crunch the numbers?

You invest 5 million in a coach and because he comes and wins your revenue increases 100 million a year?

That's easy math to me folks. I actually read an article where an investment guru ( can't remember who now ) made the case that comparing Saban's salary to the revenue generated by hiring him showed that he was actually under paid.

So you get the right guy and VOLLA....you're in the cat bird seat.

I just want somebody with some fire in his belly that will kick some kids in the butt and not put up with any nonsense.
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I believe that was from the large Forbes article featuring Saban as the most powerful coach in sports or something like that. It was very interesting and completely true.
 
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#41
DaytonLawVol said:
That advantage really has worked out well for Mississippi huh? Maybe them having terrible coaching has something to do with it?
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I noticed that last night. Presumably Mississippi has been hurt by being squeezed between two historically stronger problems, Alabama on one side and LSU on the other. And then what's left has to be carved up between Ole Miss and Mississippi State. Give one of those schools a great coach who could keep that talent home and then do something with it, and you might have something.

Mississippi actually leads the nation in NFL players produced per capita. From the AJC link above:

States with the most NFL players PER CAPITA

Mississippi
Louisiana
South Carolina
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Virginia
Hawaii
North Carolina
 
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#42
I think that more great points have been made in this thread then the rest of VolNation combined in the past month. Sifting through all the posts tells me that it really comes down to how individuals rank certain criteria as it relates to a successful college football program.
 
#43
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I've been telling all of my UT brethren here at work these things for a year now. We all wanted to jump on Bama for paying Saban that kind of money. Truth be known he took a pay cut to go to Bama from the Dolphins. The Dolphins were paying him 5 million per year. His first year salary at Bama was 3.5 mil, this year is 3.75 mil with escalators that make it AVERAGE 4 million per year over the entire life of the 8 year deal. Les Miles had it put in his contract after he won the National Championship that he would make 1,000 dollars more than the highest paid coach, thus he makes 3.751 million this year. We could get a coach with that kind of money that could win at UT..........NO DOUBT
 
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by VolnTEARS?

we have the largest recruiting budget of any school in the entire nation.




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I agree with your post in general but I had to take issue with this point. I hear alot about the large recruiting budget but that is not a good thing. All it is really saying is that the Vols have expenses that other programs do not have. This is not a good thing.

As for the rest of your post, yep, have to pony up the bucks.
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I wanted to come back to this and share a statistic that I found.

A report was given on a website concerned with costs in universities and they reported this:

"recruiting accounts for only a small fraction of overall athletics budgets. Among the top 20 spenders in athletics recruiting in 2007, recruiting costs ranged from 1 percent to 3 percent of total athletics spending."

Also, the report showed that Tennessee ranked 16 in the governors cup race which was the study that was done to show which state turns out the best and most football players ( per capita I think ).

So even though Tennessee was shown to have spent the most money on recruiting in '06-'07 it's a fraction of the entire budget. So rock on Vols...keep grabbing those kids.

Here is the table from the website and I thought it was pretty interesting:

[SIZE=-1]TOP SPENDERS IN SPORTS RECRUITING[/SIZE]
<TABLE class=nav cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY>[SIZE=-1]Athletics departments spent much more on recruiting athletes in 2007 than they did a decade earlier, with many NCAA Division I programs doubling or tripling their recruiting expenses. Here are the biggest spenders in each division, along with the programs' rank in the 2007-8 U.S. Sports Academy Directors' Cup, which measures athletics departments by division according to their overall sports success.[/SIZE]


<TR><TD class=rowsection-hed-1 colSpan=200>DIVISION I-A


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=header>


</TD><TD class=header colSpan=3>Recruiting expenses


</TD><TD class=header colSpan=2>Percentage change


</TD><TD class=rtheader>


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=header>


</TD><TD class=header>2006-7


</TD><TD class=header>2001-2


</TD><TD class=header>1996-7


</TD><TD class=header>2002-2007


</TD><TD class=header>1997-2007


</TD><TD class=rtheader>2007-8
Directors' Cup rank


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Tennessee at Knoxville


</TD><TD class=right>$2,005,700


</TD><TD class=right>$1,419,400


</TD><TD class=right>$915,000


</TD><TD class=right>41%


</TD><TD class=right>119%


</TD><TD class=farright>16


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Notre Dame


</TD><TD class=right>1,758,300


</TD><TD class=right>1,014,600


</TD><TD class=right>674,000


</TD><TD class=right>73


</TD><TD class=right>161


</TD><TD class=farright>21


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Florida


</TD><TD class=right>1,451,400


</TD><TD class=right>1,097,300


</TD><TD class=right>665,000


</TD><TD class=right>32


</TD><TD class=right>118


</TD><TD class=farright>6


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Auburn U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,374,900


</TD><TD class=right>1,228,900


</TD><TD class=right>646,000


</TD><TD class=right>12


</TD><TD class=right>113


</TD><TD class=farright>20


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Kansas State U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,316,700


</TD><TD class=right>626,600


</TD><TD class=right>359,000


</TD><TD class=right>110


</TD><TD class=right>267


</TD><TD class=farright>71


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Georgia


</TD><TD class=right>1,284,000


</TD><TD class=right>1,020,000


</TD><TD class=right>605,000


</TD><TD class=right>26


</TD><TD class=right>112


</TD><TD class=farright>10


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Nebraska at Lincoln


</TD><TD class=right>1,275,000


</TD><TD class=right>925,300


</TD><TD class=right>826,000


</TD><TD class=right>38


</TD><TD class=right>54


</TD><TD class=farright>31


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Arkansas at Fayetteville


</TD><TD class=right>1,259,700


</TD><TD class=right>749,000


</TD><TD class=right>506,000


</TD><TD class=right>68


</TD><TD class=right>149


</TD><TD class=farright>24


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Duke U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,245,300


</TD><TD class=right>592,500


</TD><TD class=right>378,000


</TD><TD class=right>110


</TD><TD class=right>229


</TD><TD class=farright>19


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Ohio State U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,236,800


</TD><TD class=right>691,200


</TD><TD class=right>522,000


</TD><TD class=right>79


</TD><TD class=right>137


</TD><TD class=farright>11


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


</TD><TD class=right>1,203,500


</TD><TD class=right>512,400


</TD><TD class=right>472,000


</TD><TD class=right>135


</TD><TD class=right>155


</TD><TD class=farright>34


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Texas at Austin


</TD><TD class=right>1,156,800


</TD><TD class=right>1,047,200


</TD><TD class=right>514,000


</TD><TD class=right>10


</TD><TD class=right>125


</TD><TD class=farright>5


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Syracuse U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,121,200


</TD><TD class=right>635,300


</TD><TD class=right>474,000


</TD><TD class=right>76


</TD><TD class=right>137


</TD><TD class=farright>87


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Oklahoma at Norman


</TD><TD class=right>1,120,800


</TD><TD class=right>763,900


</TD><TD class=right>908,000


</TD><TD class=right>47


</TD><TD class=right>23


</TD><TD class=farright>23


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Virginia


</TD><TD class=right>1,112,000


</TD><TD class=right>617,900


</TD><TD class=right>616,000


</TD><TD class=right>80


</TD><TD class=right>81


</TD><TD class=farright>17


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Georgia Tech


</TD><TD class=right>1,111,900


</TD><TD class=right>835,000


</TD><TD class=right>620,000


</TD><TD class=right>33


</TD><TD class=right>79


</TD><TD class=farright>55


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Michigan State U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,098,800


</TD><TD class=right>890,500


</TD><TD class=right>733,000


</TD><TD class=right>23


</TD><TD class=right>50


</TD><TD class=farright>29


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>West Virginia U.


</TD><TD class=right>1,094,200


</TD><TD class=right>524,200


</TD><TD class=right>398,000


</TD><TD class=right>109


</TD><TD class=right>175


</TD><TD class=farright>30


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Oregon


</TD><TD class=right>1,077,300


</TD><TD class=right>841,500


</TD><TD class=right>555,000


</TD><TD class=right>28


</TD><TD class=right>94


</TD><TD class=farright>26


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>U. of Kentucky


</TD><TD class=right>1,056,100


</TD><TD class=right>706,700


</TD><TD class=right>589,000


</TD><TD class=right>49


</TD><TD class=right>79


</TD><TD class=farright>36


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=left>Median for all Division I-A


</TD><TD class=right>632,600


</TD><TD class=right>499,000


</TD><TD class=right>371,500


</TD><TD class=right>36


</TD><TD class=right>82


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I think that Fulmer has failed to meet reasonable expectations and should go. However, don't be delusional about how difficult the UT job is or about how difficult it will be to find a guy who can make great things happen. The risk is still high that UT could slide into the UK/USC/Ark level even if Fulmer is replaced.
 
#46
#46
VolnTEARS? said:
On George Plaster's show yesterday Chris Low was on there giving his take.

He said he felt it was a 50/50 chance that Fulmer was gone by the end of the year.

I went to get a direct quote from him but 104.5 doesn't archive their shows apparently so I couldn't get his exact words.

I will try and be accurate at the gist of what he said.

It went something like this:

"Tennessee fans have to have reasonable expectations. They have to realize that they have Nick Saban in the West and Florida and Georgia in the East and they can't expect that they're going to get a top tier coach out there. Also, because of those other coaches they are going to have a much tougher time recruiting because the state of Tennessee doesn't have great recruiting and those other coaches are locking up recruits in their areas."

So what I got from his comments was that Tennessee fans shouldn't expect to attract a top level coach like Alabama did. We shouldn't expect to attract a top level coach like Florida has and to think that we could be as highly touted as a Georgia program so much so to draw recruits away from those other programs.

Are you kidding me? I was about to fall out of my truck listening to him. We have averaged 105,176 fans over the past nine seasons. It was reported on television a game or two back that we have the largest recruiting budget of any school in the entire nation.

Why shouldn't we expect to draw the best coach available? He mentioned something about how UT fans shouldn't expect that Pete Carroll is going to come running to Knoxville. My question is, "Did Alabama think he was coming? Could Florida lock him down? Would he come running to Georgia if Richt steps down?

So my question to the Vol Nation is what should we expect? I don't expect Carroll to come a running? Why would he? Now let USC start losing for a couple of years and, sure, he may want to visit Knoxvegas.

No school that I know of could lure Carroll away at the moment.

I just thought Low's comments were a bit over the top.

You danged right we should expect the best coach available. You danged right we should expect our new coach to go in and snatch recruits out from under Saban, Meyers, Richt, and Meyer.

He better...or he can pack it too.

That's why I wrote in a post a few days ago that hiring a new coach is NOT the answer. The answer is hiring the RIGHT coach.

High expectations baby. That's right...that's what we've got.

That's how champions roll.

Go Vols.
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Truth hurts sometimes...........:birgits_giggle:
 
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