Chase Burns vs Tidwell

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OlRockyTop said:
I’ve seen enough of Chase Burns that I think he needs to be the Friday starter even when Tidwell comes back. Burns is fn dominant. It’s a good problem to have. Our pitching is elite. What do y’all think?
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Our pitching death is insane.

Drew Beam, who was perfect through 6 today, will be moved out of the rotation when Blade comes back.

I think Blade goes to Friday starter but I agree Burns is elite and could handle it if they left him as opening starter.
 
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Bigun said:
Our pitching death is insane.

Drew Beam, who was perfect through 6 today, will be moved out of the rotation when Blade comes back.

I think Blade goes to Friday starter but I agree Burns is elite and could handle it if they left him as opening starter.
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Just my opinion, but I would throw Tidwell on Sunday. Leave the other two as is. Let them stay in their routine. I’d have Beam start midweeks for 75-80 pitches or so and have him available for relief 1 day per weekend.
 
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TennVols12 said:
Just my opinion, but I would throw Tidwell on Sunday. Leave the other two as is. Let them stay in their routine. I’d have Beam start midweeks for 75-80 pitches or so and have him available for relief 1 day per weekend.
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If Beam throws 75-80 midweek, he won’t be available on the weekend. Sechrist has been solid there.
 
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Personally i think if Zander wasn’t the mid week starter I think Wyatt EvAns would be the next guy in line. Tidwell will be used in a long relief role until May and I think he fits in any where that’s needed . I think he comes in after any one of our starters and it’s over for teams.
Tiddy , Sewell , Haverson , Mabry , EvAns , Kirby , Mark , Redmond and Joyce. Think about needing 9 -12 outs every game with that staff. Tiddy and Joyce as 9th inning guys. And let the game senerio determine who the go to guy is. I feel like our starters will consistently get us through 5. That’s leaves 4 every game !! I like our chances. Last year we road one horse to much and it caught up with us at Omaha . We taxed SH a little much on the end . Should have more options this year. If Jackson Leath wouldn’t have gotten hurt I think we would have done a little better . It’s about arms and we have them this year if we can get them all healthy.
 
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There’s a lot to be said about FA and his eye for talent. He knows what he wants in a pitcher. And I like what I see , he won’t put up with walks…. And TV likes the gamers . He wants people to get after it . Say what you want but this team gets after it….. grinds at bats …. I know some of y’all disagree and if someone appears to have a bad at bay y’all are ready to hang them….. guys sometimes it just appears that way in baseball. Hitters guess wrong and pitchers make good pitches… it’s not easy . Time to get off . Super proud to be a Vols fan!!!
 
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Volsbaseballfan said:
There’s a lot to be said about FA and his eye for talent. He knows what he wants in a pitcher. And I like what I see , he won’t put up with walks…. And TV likes the gamers . He wants people to get after it . Say what you want but this team gets after it….. grinds at bats …. I know some of y’all disagree and if someone appears to have a bad at bay y’all are ready to hang them….. guys sometimes it just appears that way in baseball. Hitters guess wrong and pitchers make good pitches… it’s not easy . Time to get off . Super proud to be a Vols fan!!!
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I agree with each point. I really like how the hitters approach two strike counts. And aggressive baseball is sooooo much fun!
 
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I’m not so sure that Beam gets automatically dropped. At this rate I think it’s Dolander. He’s pitched well but until he’s able to do something about people stealing I think he gets dropped to number 4. We are really spoiled for choice
 
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lukeneyland said:
I’m not so sure that Beam gets automatically dropped. At this rate I think it’s Dolander. He’s pitched well but until he’s able to do something about people stealing I think he gets dropped to number 4. We are really spoiled for choice
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Perfectly said. It’s not that Dollander hasn’t been good, he’s been really good. It’s that we have so many good options that choosing who gets bumped from the weekend requires some nitpicking. In this case, the nitpicking may have to do with CD’s ability to hold runners.
 
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I know that this is a forum for people to express their opinions but we also must understand that this coaching staff does not always do things the normal ways. That is why we are successful is because we don't do things the normal ways. Frank Anderson is a unique coach that my son loves very much. He sees pitching different than most. His philosophies are different but he is successful. He does not care about velocity over location. He cares about can you pitch not throw. His first conversation with Kirby within 3 days of being hired was what is your greatest attribute. (Kirby gave him this strange look and he said what do you do the best and Kirby said I can put a pitch where I want) He then said what is your greatest weakness. Kirby said I don't have great velocity (even though he threw 93 in HS and did again this fall but with it he gets really flat and straight). Frank picked up a pen and said if I hold this at home plate can you hit it on the tip. Kirby said give me three chances? CA said absolutely. Kirby said yes maybe two of three times. He said then never let anyone tell you that you have to throw a certain speed. If you can put a pitch where you want with multiple pitches then you don't have to throw it 95. And FA has proven that through using Sewell, Kirby and Redmond. He does not care about holding runners as long as they do not score and even if they score he does not care if we win. I have learned to love his mentality which is different. Dollander does not give up anymore stolen bases, except the Baylor game, than any other successful pitcher in SEC. Go back and look at Vanderbilt's stolen bases numbers last year. Take away one game from Dollander, Baylor, which had some extenuating circumstances that most of you don't realize that added to the stolen bases. I'm convinced that it would not happen again. Again, Frank is a pitching genius who can make great pitchers if guys are willing to be taught. He changes not only mechanics but mentality. I do not think you will ever see Dollander use a slide step if it changes his pitchability. No matter what you guys or I think.
I do not agree with everything that TV and FA do but I know for a fact that they are smarter than me.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I know that this is a forum for people to express their opinions but we also must understand that this coaching staff does not always do things the normal ways. That is why we are successful is because we don't do things the normal ways. Frank Anderson is a unique coach that my son loves very much. He sees pitching different than most. His philosophies are different but he is successful. He does not care about velocity over location. He cares about can you pitch not throw. His first conversation with Kirby within 3 days of being hired was what is your greatest attribute. (Kirby gave him this strange look and he said what do you do the best and Kirby said I can put a pitch where I want) He then said what is your greatest weakness. Kirby said I don't have great velocity (even though he threw 93 in HS and did again this fall but with it he gets really flat and straight). Frank picked up a pen and said if I hold this at home plate can you hit it on the tip. Kirby said give me three chances? CA said absolutely. Kirby said yes maybe two of three times. He said then never let anyone tell you that you have to throw a certain speed. If you can put a pitch where you want with multiple pitches then you don't have to throw it 95. And FA has proven that through using Sewell, Kirby and Redmond. He does not care about holding runners as long as they do not score and even if they score he does not care if we win. I have learned to love his mentality which is different. Dollander does not give up anymore stolen bases, except the Baylor game, than any other successful pitcher in SEC. Go back and look at Vanderbilt's stolen bases numbers last year. Take away one game from Dollander, Baylor, which had some extenuating circumstances that most of you don't realize that added to the stolen bases. I'm convinced that it would not happen again. Again, Frank is a pitching genius who can make great pitchers if guys are willing to be taught. He changes not only mechanics but mentality. I do not think you will ever see Dollander use a slide step if it changes his pitchability. No matter what you guys or I think.
I do not agree with everything that TV and FA do but I know for a fact that they are smarter than me.
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Thanks for all of that. Really enlightening stuff. And while TV and FA may know more than you, you certainly know more about this team and pitching staff than I do. You've made me feel a lot better about Dollander's ability to hold runners, that's for sure.

So basically, when Tidwell returns, we have 4 outstanding weekend starters. Great problem. And the 3 guys we're using right now will all be back next year.
 
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vol66 said:
Have you folks looked at the SEC stats? We have 218 RBI’s. I would also point out there’s more than one person involved in whether or not a steal attempt is successful. We’re 19-1. Enjoy it.

GBO!!!
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Yeah, I don't think this conversation is so much, "how do we fix this problem?" as it is, "which of these studs are we gonna win with...because no matter which ones we chose, we're gonna win."
 
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What's interesting about UT's staff - and likely so hard for opponents to deal with is our dominating starters are all righties and most of our relievers are south paws. The exceptions being Camden and Ben Joyce.

Throwing Camden or Joyce after Drew Beam is just mean. It's hard enough to get ready for 100+. But after Drew Beam just spot pitched you to death for 7 innings. Brutal!

Putting in the likes of Redmond or Mabrey after 7 innings of Chase Burns or Dollander throwing BBs is illegal in several civilized states and territories.

The change of pace and styles the Vols can put on mound is insane. The only apparent gap is only 1 leftie starter and no weekend leftie starters. We may struggle a bit with talented leftie dominated lineups.

I checked the Vanderbilt and Ole Miss lineups and they both have quite a few lefties peppered throughout. With some spot DHing when needed as well. Vanderbilt and Ole Miss both had 4 lefties and 1 switch hitters bat Sunday.
 
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vol66 said:
Have you folks looked at the SEC overall stats? We have 218 RBI’s. I would also point out there’s more than one person involved in whether or not a steal attempt is successful. We’re 19-1. Enjoy it.

http://a.espncdn.com/sec/baseball/2022/stats.pdf

GBO!!!
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Stats look great but they are also padded pretty good with some video game numbers from some really bad competition.

Do you expect those same type numbers in the coming month?

I don't see this conversation as one of fixing a problem... or negativity. It's a question of who's good, who's better, and who's best in the coming situations.

Assuming Tidwell returns to his 2021 form, having to pick the 3 of 4 worthy weekend starters is a great problem.... and a first for discussion here in the baseball forum so have patience if we muck it up.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I know that this is a forum for people to express their opinions but we also must understand that this coaching staff does not always do things the normal ways. That is why we are successful is because we don't do things the normal ways. Frank Anderson is a unique coach that my son loves very much. He sees pitching different than most. His philosophies are different but he is successful. He does not care about velocity over location. He cares about can you pitch not throw. His first conversation with Kirby within 3 days of being hired was what is your greatest attribute. (Kirby gave him this strange look and he said what do you do the best and Kirby said I can put a pitch where I want) He then said what is your greatest weakness. Kirby said I don't have great velocity (even though he threw 93 in HS and did again this fall but with it he gets really flat and straight). Frank picked up a pen and said if I hold this at home plate can you hit it on the tip. Kirby said give me three chances? CA said absolutely. Kirby said yes maybe two of three times. He said then never let anyone tell you that you have to throw a certain speed. If you can put a pitch where you want with multiple pitches then you don't have to throw it 95. And FA has proven that through using Sewell, Kirby and Redmond. He does not care about holding runners as long as they do not score and even if they score he does not care if we win. I have learned to love his mentality which is different. Dollander does not give up anymore stolen bases, except the Baylor game, than any other successful pitcher in SEC. Go back and look at Vanderbilt's stolen bases numbers last year. Take away one game from Dollander, Baylor, which had some extenuating circumstances that most of you don't realize that added to the stolen bases. I'm convinced that it would not happen again. Again, Frank is a pitching genius who can make great pitchers if guys are willing to be taught. He changes not only mechanics but mentality. I do not think you will ever see Dollander use a slide step if it changes his pitchability. No matter what you guys or I think.
I do not agree with everything that TV and FA do but I know for a fact that they are smarter than me.
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That's insightful. Thanks for sharing.

If hitting your spot is the priority, of the 4, who gets left out?

Seem they all are pretty good at it.
 
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txbo said:
Stats look great but they are also padded pretty good with some video game numbers from some really bad competition.

Do you expect those same type numbers in the coming month?

I don't see this conversation as one of fixing a problem... or negativity. It's a question of who's good, who's better, and who's best in the coming situations.

Assuming Tidwell returns to his 2021 form, having to pick the 3 of 4 worthy weekend starters is a great problem.... and a first for discussion here in the baseball forum so have patience if we muck it up.
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All I’m saying is, we talk about pitching, but it’s not just pitching. Sure it starts there, but it’s hitting and fielding too. We swept SC, convincingly, not just due to pitching. We can mash with the best of ‘em.

Your point, I agree, great problem that’s not a problem. As the season wears on, we’ll need all of ‘em.

GBO!!!
 
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I, personally, with no insider information on Blade's situation do not think Blade will be back as a starter until late in SEC this year. I think TV and FA are so protective of their pitchers that they will not put him or Halverson in stressful situations or extend him very much for a while. They have been very protective of Ben Joyce even when fans did not agree and I think they will do the same for Blade and Halverson. I think it is a combo of doing what is best for the program and having him when we ultimately need him and also they love these guys and will not do anything to hurt them for their futures. I believe they both see the big picture of we have them for a short time and want to succeed with them but we are just a small step in these guys journey. FA has a close-up view of it with his son being an MLB pitcher and TV having a lot of guys that he is connected to who have been successful in the pros. They truly want what is best for their players. I don't think you will see Joyce go more than an inning during regular season and I don't think Halverson or Blade will start until late May, if then.
 
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vol66 said:
All I’m saying is, we talk about pitching, but it’s not just pitching. Sure it starts there, but it’s hitting and fielding too. We swept SC, convincingly, not just due to pitching. We can mash with the best of ‘em.

Your point, I agree, great problem that’s not a problem. As the season wears on, we’ll need all of ‘em.

GBO!!!
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Say it with me.... Dingers win ball games.
 
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