Charles Davis asks who will be the class that beats Bama

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goodness y’all, if uga can make the playoffs so soon, we can beat Bama. It’s a good thing these kids aren’t in awe of Bama the way some of y’all are.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Not a UGA fan, but it’s obvious they’re about to win a couple of national championships within the next 4 years. That’s who will beat Alabama in the near future.
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Why? Because they got five star recruits and all the star gazers say so. Georgias chance was last year and they blew it.
 
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Remy said:
Saban is a VERY suspect game day coach. Look no further than how UGA in the NC game showed he was out coached, Malzahn at AU and Freeze when at Ole Miss had success against him as well. Don't get me wrong, Saban is a decent game day coach but he's far from great, look at the dumb assetry he pulled when he missed a long FG at end of game, had to kick to Auburn, put a bunch of big slow guys on the field and Auburn returned the kickoff for the win taking him out of the NC game that year. That was just bad game day coaching by Saban.
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I'll gladly take a suspect game day coach that wins 5 NC's in 9 years, but that's just me.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
This isn't about Saban retiring. This is about Tennessee catching up.

I believe the class that will beat Bama for the first time in over a decade is already enrolled at Tennessee. Just not gonna hazard a guess as to which class it is. But they're already there.

Go Vols!
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I agree! I'm sick of everyone thinking that Saban can't be beat. I know he has had a hell of a run, but he is having issues right now. His QB controversy will be a distraction to them and will create issues. It's a no win situation for Saban on this one.

We just need to get our game back to the level it needs to be at and take care of buisness. There is a reason that the Vols have beat Bama more times than any other team, and it's not that we have played them more. Aside from our recent fall from grace, we was neck and neck with wins vs losses. We have been and will be again a national powerhouse program! It's time we begin to act like it again. Is Pruitt our answer? Only time will tell, but I believe he will have all the tools as long as he can use them.
 
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05_never_again said:
Depends on when Saban leaves.

If we are going to beat them while he's still there, then we have to get a lot more overall talent on the roster, have a mobile QB (when Saban loses, it's almost always to a team with a mobile QB) and catch them on a day when they don't play their best. Alabama doesn't lose often, but he's also only had one undefeated season.

Alabama will be a dominant force in college football for at least 2-3 years after Saban leaves. It's really interesting to think about how their decline will play out, but personally I think it'll go like this:

1. Saban retires.
2. The guy they bring in, whether it be Dabo or someone else, is good but not good enough. He struggles under the weight of the expectations. They go 3-4 years with only, say, one SEC title/playoff appearance, and no national titles. Perhaps they beat Auburn only twice in 4 years or once in 3 years. The new guy recruits pretty well, but they don't have the #1/2 class every year. Auburn and LSU are perceived to be rapidly closing the gap. Their fanbase, especially their younger fans who have never seen Alabama be anything other than the national favorite every year, becomes really despondent.
3. After a couple seasons of not winning the conference, the new guy is fired, despite warnings and lots of opinions from the talking heads that it is dangerous to fire a coach whose only problem is that he isn't as good as Saban.
4. The guy who replaces Saban's replacement ends up simply being not a good hire. This would be likely 3-4 years after Saban has retired, and any sheen he had on the program is largely faded away.
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Seem to recall Casey Clausen beating a Saban coaches LSU team... & he’s the last QB I would accuse of being “mobile”
 
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Who will be in the class? At the rate we’ve been going maybe my grandson. He could be in Knoxville in about 17 years.
 
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VEKZY said:
Because that went so well last season. Lol
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MBVFL1 said:
Why? Because they got five star recruits and all the star gazers say so. Georgias chance was last year and they blew it.
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I know it’s difficult to admit but it’s reality. They’ll be right back in the playoffs and walking away with Championships soon enough. Kirby Smart only has to be adequate on the field at this point.
 
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DrTNT said:
Seem to recall Casey Clausen beating a Saban coaches LSU team... & he’s the last QB I would accuse of being “mobile”
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I was referring to Saban's Alabama teams. The only immobile QB he's lost to his entire time there (other than his first season) is Jarrett Lee.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I know it’s difficult to admit but it’s reality. They’ll be right back in the playoffs and walking away with Championships soon enough. Kirby Smart only has to be adequate on the field at this point.
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So you believe they make it this year to the playoff?
 
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NUMBER1VOLFAN said:
I don't want any negative feelings here- but I actually failed to use my '82 Bama tix cause I didn't want to see another drubbing. I am admitting it here. Throw your stuff. I had 4 and felt Goldrush Junction would be more fun (if that's what it was back then). I have had a history of bad decisions, too lengthy to discuss. We are on track now! I guarantee you I was not involved with that decision!!
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I had the exact opposite reaction to that game. I had graduated after a string of disappointing seasons with majors’ early teams and just returned to UT because they offered me a full assistantship for grad school. It was a beautiful day and I was headed to the mountains. I had gone to the Fair Site the night before and it was overrun by those arrogant Tiders. A friend called meas I was walking out the door with my backpack and said he had tickets to the game. I didn’t hesitate. Yelled my head off and danced on the Strip. It was so good to be home! Then we went to the GT game the next week and watched us lose. Reality set in.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I know it’s difficult to admit but it’s reality. They’ll be right back in the playoffs and walking away with Championships soon enough. Kirby Smart only has to be adequate on the field at this point.
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You very well could be right but I don't think so, or maybe I'm stuck in the Georgia always underachieves frame of mind
 
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MBVFL1 said:
You very well could be right but I don't think so, or maybe I'm stuck in the Georgia always underachieves frame of mind
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Unfortunately for us Smart isn’t Richt. They have an embarrassment of riches on campus now moreso than ever. Out of 85 scholarship players something like 60 of them are 4 or 5 star players. I believe 15 of those are 5 stars.

These are just stats the Atlanta ESPN radio rattled off 2 days ago so I may have missed slightly but overall it’s absurd.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Unfortunately for us Smart isn’t Richt. They have an embarrassment of riches on campus now moreso than ever. Out of 85 scholarship players something like 60 of them are 4 or 5 star players. I believe 15 of those are 5 stars.

These are just stats the Atlanta ESPN radio rattled off 2 days ago so I may have missed slightly but overall it’s absurd.
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Your right about Smart that was obvious even his first year there, Yeah they had an unbelievable recruiting class but who knows really how those players will end up. I would just like the Vols to overachieve at some point
 
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Jack Burton said:
Unfortunately for us Smart isn’t Richt. They have an embarrassment of riches on campus now moreso than ever. Out of 85 scholarship players something like 60 of them are 4 or 5 star players. I believe 15 of those are 5 stars.

These are just stats the Atlanta ESPN radio rattled off 2 days ago so I may have missed slightly but overall it’s absurd.
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Georgia should be able to recruit like that, honestly. It is impressive, yes, but they should be able to do that fairly consistently. The amount of talent in and around Atlanta and the state of Georgia is absurd, especially for a state of its size. The school is football crazy and willing to dedicate a lot of resources to it. Lots of tradition and a lot of those ATL kids grow up wanting to go to Georgia. It is one of the easiest, if not the easiest, recruiting jobs in the country provided you have a competent coach.

The success that Alabama has seen over the years, meaning back decades and decades, really should have happened at Georgia.
 
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05_never_again said:
Georgia should be able to recruit like that, honestly. It is impressive, yes, but they should be able to do that fairly consistently. The amount of talent in and around Atlanta and the state of Georgia is absurd, especially for a state of its size. The school is football crazy and willing to dedicate a lot of resources to it. Lots of tradition and a lot of those ATL kids grow up wanting to go to Georgia. It is one of the easiest, if not the easiest, recruiting jobs in the country provided you have a competent coach.

The success that Alabama has seen over the years, meaning back decades and decades, really should have happened at Georgia.
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agreed. the only thing that was in Georgia's way, was Georgia. having said that, i'll check back in 10 years and see how many c'ships they have.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. the only thing that was in Georgia's way, was Georgia. having said that, i'll check back in 10 years and see how many c'ships they have.
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If they don't have at least a couple, they'll be underachieving, which they've done consistently throughout the life of their program but especially since 1983.

There is no compelling reason whatsoever why Georgia shouldn't have about 5 national titles since 1980. Dooley could have won more and Richt could/should have won a couple. When you look at the whole package (location of the school, demographics, tradition, money, overall resources, fanbase, etc.) a dynasty is far more likely to happen at Georgia than Alabama, and honestly more likely to happen at Georgia than any other school in the country. Georgia really should be the most successful SEC school since the conference's founding, but I'd argue they slot in third behind Alabama and Tennessee. That honestly is pretty obvious underachievement. Tennessee has more all-time wins, a higher all-time winning percentage, just as many conference titles, and 4 more national titles. Georgia has some inherent advantages over a school like UT, especially in today's landscape, but they haven't been able to parlay that into an all-time dominant program.

Georgia's most legendary coach is Vince Dooley. He was a great coach, but he doesn't go down in the pantheon of the "all-time greats." Dooley was there for 24 years and won a lot of games but achieved basically everything he is known for in just 3 years, from 1980-1982, when Herschel Walker was there. If it wasn't for Herschel, he might not have achieved anything that people still remember decades later, and he still would have been Georgia's most legendary coach. Georgia's best all-time coach should at least be as successful as someone like Neyland, and honestly should be something approaching or surpassing Bear Bryant.

A lot of people point to the whole Jan Kemp situation as to why they've been good but not great since the 1980s, but a school with their resources and ease of recruiting should be able to overcome that.

And it isn't just their football team...it's really easy to make an argument that their basketball and baseball teams have historically underachieved too.
 
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NUMBER1VOLFAN said:
I don't want any negative feelings here- but I actually failed to use my '82 Bama tix cause I didn't want to see another drubbing. I am admitting it here. Throw your stuff. I had 4 and felt Goldrush Junction would be more fun (if that's what it was back then). I have had a history of bad decisions, too lengthy to discuss. We are on track now! I guarantee you I was not involved with that decision!!
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If it's any consolation, I did the same thing against LSU in 2005. I represented us 3 other times in Baton Rouge ... but not that year.

On the other hand, I was there when we beat Bama in 82. :)
 
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