Changing the Format for softball final eight

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OU Softball's Patty Gasso Urges NCAA to Rethink WCWS Schedule Format​


The tv audience has now grown that extra days rather than double headers with 30 minute rest should not be - according to the most successful softball coach

worthy of discussion for those who like to examine alternatives. (whiners need not participate)
 
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stllvf said:

OU Softball's Patty Gasso Urges NCAA to Rethink WCWS Schedule Format​


The tv audience has now grown that extra days rather than double headers with 30 minute rest should not be - according to the most successful softball coach

worthy of discussion for those who like to examine alternatives. (whiners need not participate)
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She never worried until she lost. Home field advantage and so she’s not worried about travel for other teams, she knows her fans will be there. She probably needs to sit this one out.
 
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All this would do would be to put emphasis on having one stud pitcher with only one game a day. I like the current format.

Supers used to be game one on one day, and then two the next, and the if necessary game 30 min later. Now it's three days. The old format was better.
 
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Her point is that it's not fair to either team. Neither team would be at their best, which is what we want in a championship. Baseball doesn't do it.

If the game had gone to extra innings, the second game would have started after 9pm local time. If it were earlier in the day, maybe it would be different, I don't know for sure. But 1130pm or later is really late to be playing any games.
 
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Okie said:
Her point is that it's not fair to either team. Neither team would be at their best, which is what we want in a championship. Baseball doesn't do it.

If the game had gone to extra innings, the second game would have started after 9pm local time. If it were earlier in the day, maybe it would be different, I don't know for sure. But 1130pm or later is really late to be playing any games.
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She could have chimed years ago but chose not to.
 
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She never worried until she lost. Home field advantage and so she’s not worried about travel for other teams, she knows her fans will be there. She probably needs to sit this one out.
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Actually, she did. She and Karen were two of the leading voices to get the event expanded by two days a couple of years ago that removed the four games per day on Friday and Saturday and added the rest day between the final four and the championship series. They wanted to avoid doubleheaders for teams altogether, since the men’s CWS does, but they had to take the intermediate step of the current format because adding two days two years ago and a day now is a much easier process than adding 3-4 days would have been then.
 
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This year was a great reminder that there really ought to be rebalanced brackets by seed. Having the 4 strongest teams in the same bracket is very silly.

At least they let a team swap over to the other bracket, which the men's tournament doesn't do.
 
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Actually, she did. She and Karen were two of the leading voices to get the event expanded by two days a couple of years ago that removed the four games per day on Friday and Saturday and added the rest day between the final four and the championship series. They wanted to avoid doubleheaders for teams altogether, since the men’s CWS does, but they had to take the intermediate step of the current format because adding two days two years ago and a day now is a much easier process than adding 3-4 days would have been then.
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Same format for everyone across the board. She can miss everyone with the fake rage after the exit. Incentive, don’t lose. What’s not the same is the home field advantage, last coach to complain is Patty. Men’s game is also 9 innings, not including delays or extra innings.
 
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Same format for everyone across the board. She can miss everyone with the fake rage after the exit. Incentive, don’t lose. What’s not the same is the home field advantage, last coach to complain is Patty. Men’s game is also 9 innings, not including delays or extra innings.
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Well, again, it’s not fake outrage. It’s not the first time she spoken out about it, it has been her opinion for several years. I don’t like her personally, but she has been an advocate of making the WCWS schedule as close to the men’s CWS schedule as possible, in increasing rest for teams to have the highest quality championship possible. That has been her consistent message, no matter how it would help or hurt her team.

I realize it’s the same format for everyone. But her point is that the game has gotten away from playing doubleheaders in every other stage of the season, save for the first three weekends when they play multi team events. The championship round should move away from them as well, considering most teams have not played a doubleheader since February.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Well, again, it’s not fake outrage. It’s not the first time she spoken out about it, it has been her opinion for several years. I don’t like her personally, but she has been an advocate of making the WCWS schedule as close to the men’s CWS schedule as possible, in increasing rest for teams to have the highest quality championship possible. That has been her consistent message, no matter how it would help or hurt her team.

I realize it’s the same format for everyone. But her point is that the game has gotten away from playing doubleheaders in every other stage of the season, save for the first three weekends when they play multi team events. The championship round should move away from them as well, considering most teams have not played a doubleheader since February.
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I agree. To make matters worse, we're now getting into steamy-hot weather season, and while two teams like Texas and Texas Tech may have already been adjusting to it in hell-hot Texas, a lot of teams would suffer a lot more through a double-header at this time of year. The Texas-school aces might not be as bothered by the very specific type of heat in that part of the country right now as many others would.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Well, again, it’s not fake outrage. It’s not the first time she spoken out about it, it has been her opinion for several years. I don’t like her personally, but she has been an advocate of making the WCWS schedule as close to the men’s CWS schedule as possible, in increasing rest for teams to have the highest quality championship possible. That has been her consistent message, no matter how it would help or hurt her team.

I realize it’s the same format for everyone. But her point is that the game has gotten away from playing doubleheaders in every other stage of the season, save for the first three weekends when they play multi team events. The championship round should move away from them as well, considering most teams have not played a doubleheader since February.
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Only time I saw she mentioned it previously was in 2022. That’s a pretty good gap.
 
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Majors said:
Only time I saw she mentioned it previously was in 2022. That’s a pretty good gap.
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Just because someone doesn't see it, doesn't mean that she didn't bring it up.

Regardless, is her point wrong? Is it better to play a late night double header or not? That's the issue.
 
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Only time I saw she mentioned it previously was in 2022. That’s a pretty good gap.
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That's the year before the format changed. Like I said, she advocated for the change to current format, knowing it wasn't perfect but was a god start. If you look at the comments from back then, they center on two things: Expanding the number of days and reducing doubleheaders.

Until then, the WCWS itself was only four days, with the championship series the following 2-3 days. Baseball was 14. Patty and Karen were the two loudest voices in the sport in advocating for the change. And that was when it didn't benefit Patty and Karen hadn't taken a team there in six years.

Contrary to popular belief, most of the good coaches in the sport actually care about growing and showcasing the sport, whether it helps their programs or not. See, for example, the tour Oklahoma made of California small schools in February and Tennessee touring McNeese and Lamar. Growing the game is important to the coaches that are invested in the sport. As much as we don't like her because of the success she's had, Patty is one of the most valuable advocates for the good of the game out there.
 
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Okie said:
Just because someone doesn't see it, doesn't mean that she didn't bring it up.

Regardless, is her point wrong? Is it better to play a late night double header or not? That's the issue.
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She recruits players that play 3+ games a day for travel. Shes good with it.

22 kids on the roster recruited to play, develop your depth.
 
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television revenue is another major reason. women's sports are becoming more popular.

If you remember the basketball coach from Connecticut spoke about the weird format of having double sets of teams at regionals. that decision was made because the organizers did not foresee the growth of women's basketball and that cities would be competing for the opportunity to bring revenue to their communities.

and one consideration would be that only the final four softball teams come to Oklahoma with regionals elsewhere. (softball is no longer a one-trick pony!)
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Equating travel ball games with WCWS games is just being intellectually dishonest.
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It’s not really. You want care for the players and games played, start at the beginning.

Remember we care about the girls. She could have made the statement in her one of many times hoisting up the trophy like she did in defeat.
 
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Majors said:
It’s not really. You want care for the players and games played, start at the beginning.

Remember we care about the girls. She could have made the statement in her one of many times hoisting up the trophy like she did in defeat.
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Again, she brought the issue up after winning the natty.
 
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Majors said:
It’s not really. You want care for the players and games played, start at the beginning.

Remember we care about the girls. She could have made the statement in her one of many times hoisting up the trophy like she did in defeat.
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Exactly.
 
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Majors said:
It’s not really. You want care for the players and games played, start at the beginning.

Remember we care about the girls. She could have made the statement in her one of many times hoisting up the trophy like she did in defeat.
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She literally did in 2022.
 
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