Change at all costs

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KureVol

KureVol

Are you serious Clark?
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First of all I am a lifelong fan of Tennessee sports, especially football. My wife and I both graduated from UT in the 90's. I give money to the university every year. That being said, I have bought the right, unlike some people on this forum, to criticize and call for a major change at Tennessee. I have attended over 100 games supporting the Vols. I have noticed that the Vols have taken on the persona of Fulmer.
Tennessee football, once a team that was as fierce and hard hitting as they come, have become soft as they have allowed other teams to catch up with them over the past five seasons. I believe that the blame lies with Fulmer. The teams of the past five seasons have shown a lack of discipline, desire and heart. The coach needs to lead by example. His lack of enthusiasm and charisma has rubbed off on the players. We need a Bruce Pearl-like football coach that doesn't give a damn about running up the score or saying the right things at a press conference. We need a badass to bring this program up to speed. Mike Hamilton needs to look outside the Tennessee football family and bring in a proven winner. I live in football poor North Carolina, and even UNC went out and snagged Butch Davis. Give him 3 years and he will have them competing for the ACC. I have to admit that in order for Hamilton to make a change UT will have to lose at least seven games this season. Remember, 6-6 will get the Emerald Nut Bowl (ask FSU) I am not rooting for UT to lose those games, but this season has given way to apathy. It does not matter anymore. UT WILL lose to GA, AL, USC, ARK, VANDY, and KY. That should merit change in the Fulmer regime. I don't have the heart to see my beloved Vols flounder through the remainder of the season. Next year I will be among the 105,000+ fans welcoming in a new era of Vol football with a new leader at the helm. Until then "It's Basketball Time in Tennessee."
 
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Well first off welcome. It's always fun to have a new member come in and bash posters on thier first ever post. You'll fit in just fine around here. In my mind it doesn't matter if you donate money to the school or are just a loyal fan on wether or not you have a "right" to want a change at the school you support. I'm as much against what has happened to our proud program as any fan but I'm not willing to give up on this season just yet. Are we going to win the NC? No, but my schedule says we still have several big games and it's still a few months away before basketball season begins.

I do agree with you on the fact that Hamilton needs to look outside the UT family tree to turn around the program. If UNC can land a guy like Butch Davis then we should have no problem landing a very good coach to get the ship back afloat.
 
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KureVol said:
First of all I am a lifelong fan of Tennessee sports, especially football. My wife and I both graduated from UT in the 90's. I give money to the university every year. That being said, I have bought the right, unlike some people on this forum, to criticize and call for a major change at Tennessee. I have attended over 100 games supporting the Vols. I have noticed that the Vols have taken on the persona of Fulmer.
Tennessee football, once a team that was as fierce and hard hitting as they come, have become soft as they have allowed other teams to catch up with them over the past five seasons. I believe that the blame lies with Fulmer. The teams of the past five seasons have shown a lack of discipline, desire and heart. The coach needs to lead by example. His lack of enthusiasm and charisma has rubbed off on the players. We need a Bruce Pearl-like football coach that doesn't give a damn about running up the score or saying the right things at a press conference. We need a badass to bring this program up to speed. Mike Hamilton needs to look outside the Tennessee football family and bring in a proven winner. I live in football poor North Carolina, and even UNC went out and snagged Butch Davis. Give him 3 years and he will have them competing for the ACC. I have to admit that in order for Hamilton to make a change UT will have to lose at least seven games this season. Remember, 6-6 will get the Emerald Nut Bowl (ask FSU) I am not rooting for UT to lose those games, but this season has given way to apathy. It does not matter anymore. UT WILL lose to GA, AL, USC, ARK, VANDY, and KY. That should merit change in the Fulmer regime. I don't have the heart to see my beloved Vols flounder through the remainder of the season. Next year I will be among the 105,000+ fans welcoming in a new era of Vol football with a new leader at the helm. Until then "It's Basketball Time in Tennessee."
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That is one tooooo many to lose... but then if they did I cant see how Hamilton will continue with the same staff... I totally understand the concept of family and tradition with UT staff but then at the end of the day... this is still a profession and I dont think we should bring in personal ties to profession....
 
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KureVol said:
First of all I am a lifelong fan of Tennessee sports, especially football. My wife and I both graduated from UT in the 90's. I give money to the university every year. That being said, I have bought the right, unlike some people on this forum, to criticize and call for a major change at Tennessee. I have attended over 100 games supporting the Vols. I have noticed that the Vols have taken on the persona of Fulmer.
Tennessee football, once a team that was as fierce and hard hitting as they come, have become soft as they have allowed other teams to catch up with them over the past five seasons. I believe that the blame lies with Fulmer. The teams of the past five seasons have shown a lack of discipline, desire and heart. The coach needs to lead by example. His lack of enthusiasm and charisma has rubbed off on the players. We need a Bruce Pearl-like football coach that doesn't give a damn about running up the score or saying the right things at a press conference. We need a badass to bring this program up to speed. Mike Hamilton needs to look outside the Tennessee football family and bring in a proven winner. I live in football poor North Carolina, and even UNC went out and snagged Butch Davis. Give him 3 years and he will have them competing for the ACC. I have to admit that in order for Hamilton to make a change UT will have to lose at least seven games this season. Remember, 6-6 will get the Emerald Nut Bowl (ask FSU) I am not rooting for UT to lose those games, but this season has given way to apathy. It does not matter anymore. UT WILL lose to GA, AL, USC, ARK, VANDY, and KY. That should merit change in the Fulmer regime. I don't have the heart to see my beloved Vols flounder through the remainder of the season. Next year I will be among the 105,000+ fans welcoming in a new era of Vol football with a new leader at the helm. Until then "It's Basketball Time in Tennessee."
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I have a big time problem with this statement. NO SIR YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE RIGHTS THAN ANY OTHER UT FAN. IF YOU JOIN A COUNTRY CLUB, THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAY THE COURSE UNLIKE A NON-MEMBER;HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T A PRIVATE CLUB. What about the long time fans who can't afford to donate? You have more rights than they do????????????? I would say there are many long time fans who are better fans than you that have never donated because they couldn't affort it.

YOu will never have more rights. Being able to donate doesn't guarantee you are a better fan. I personally know a lot of people whom are better fans than you that never donated. You know how I know they are better fans than you???? They have a little class...something you need to develop
 
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I didn't realize I was paying for the right to complain when I make my VASF donation. That's a preposterous idea. Anyone who patronizes the UT program, through watching on TV, buying tickets, purchasing mechandise, etc., is a customer. Being a patron enures one with the right to speak their mind. This is America, not feudal England, where only landowners had a voice.
 
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Truefan......Settle down. I was not trying to insult anyone on this forum that was not the point. I was just making a statement.

Strike the comment out about paying for the right to criticize and judge the comment on its merits.

BTW only 40% of all fans at Neyland on any given Saturday actually attended UT.....Just a stat
 
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What a jackass. Anyone who buys a ticket, a t-shirt, a hat, a PPV of the Vols or watches and supports the Vols have a right to complain. You are not part of an elite group because you donate. I go to school here, can I complain too?


Shut up. It's people like you that give fanbases a bad name.
 
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Hey justin ..I was a kid when they sent Bill Battle packing. I was a student when they got rid of Johnny Majors' drunk ass. So I guess I'll be a jackass when they fire Fulmer
 
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KureVol said:
Hey justin ..I was a kid when they sent Bill Battle packing. I was a student when they got rid of Johnny Majors' drunk ass. So I guess I'll be a jackass when they fire Fulmer
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No you'll be a happy man. I'll be too.

It's not going to take losing 7 games to get him fired either. A loss to UGA will be the nail in the coffin.
 
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KureVol said:
Hey justin ..I was a kid when they sent Bill Battle packing. I was a student when they got rid of Johnny Majors' drunk ass. So I guess I'll be a jackass when they fire Fulmer
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Since you left yourself wide open for this one I guess I'll have to comply. No, you're a jackass already. Wecome aboard the crazy train...
 
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hatvol96 said:
I didn't realize I was paying for the right to complain when I make my VASF donation.
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Well, I guess in some respects, you were paying for an upgrade of whom you get to complain to.



Ok, that was one of the gramatically worst sentences ever written, but the point remains, I think.
 
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Let me know when we actually buy shares of UT Football, so I can purchase my one percent. We all have our quarrels with what Fulmer is doing and how much our team has dropped in performance but my opinion is just as important as yours as far as this team goes. Everyone before me is right when they told you that you have a right to complain, but its not because you pay to do so.
 
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truefan said:
I have a big time problem with this statement. NO SIR YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE RIGHTS THAN ANY OTHER UT FAN. IF YOU JOIN A COUNTRY CLUB, THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAY THE COURSE UNLIKE A NON-MEMBER;HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T A PRIVATE CLUB. What about the long time fans who can't afford to donate? You have more rights than they do????????????? I would say there are many long time fans who are better fans than you that have never donated because they couldn't affort it.

YOu will never have more rights. Being able to donate doesn't guarantee you are a better fan. I personally know a lot of people whom are better fans than you that never donated. You know how I know they are better fans than you???? They have a little class...something you need to develop
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:thumbsup:I agree.Some need to think before they speak or suffer the Nation.
 
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I think some of you took KureVol's statement wrong. Should've been worded differently, but I took it to mean that he's invested in the program (educationally, financially, etc) and has reason for concern.

I don't agree that we'll lose all of those games, but I would concede that over the years our program has taken on a lethargy that none of us UT fans want.
 
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KureVol said:
First of all I am a lifelong fan of Tennessee sports, especially football. My wife and I both graduated from UT in the 90's. I give money to the university every year. That being said, I have bought the right, unlike some people on this forum, to criticize and call for a major change at Tennessee. I have attended over 100 games supporting the Vols. I have noticed that the Vols have taken on the persona of Fulmer.
Tennessee football, once a team that was as fierce and hard hitting as they come, have become soft as they have allowed other teams to catch up with them over the past five seasons. I believe that the blame lies with Fulmer. The teams of the past five seasons have shown a lack of discipline, desire and heart. The coach needs to lead by example. His lack of enthusiasm and charisma has rubbed off on the players. We need a Bruce Pearl-like football coach that doesn't give a damn about running up the score or saying the right things at a press conference. We need a badass to bring this program up to speed. Mike Hamilton needs to look outside the Tennessee football family and bring in a proven winner. I live in football poor North Carolina, and even UNC went out and snagged Butch Davis. Give him 3 years and he will have them competing for the ACC. I have to admit that in order for Hamilton to make a change UT will have to lose at least seven games this season. Remember, 6-6 will get the Emerald Nut Bowl (ask FSU) I am not rooting for UT to lose those games, but this season has given way to apathy. It does not matter anymore. UT WILL lose to GA, AL, USC, ARK, VANDY, and KY. That should merit change in the Fulmer regime. I don't have the heart to see my beloved Vols flounder through the remainder of the season. Next year I will be among the 105,000+ fans welcoming in a new era of Vol football with a new leader at the helm. Until then "It's Basketball Time in Tennessee."
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Not that it really matters, other than to me, but I'm okay with your post, with the single exception of those two sentences.

They reek of arrogance.

Your money, in your own words, has given you the right to have an opinion. "Unlike some people on this forum."

Your words. Thanks for sharing them with us.

I'm sure those of us who haven't bought the right to criticize are grateful that you're here to do our talking for us.

Fossor narro, dum men factum.

I hope I got that right.

go vols.
 
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I have the right to complain because they suck. Fire Fulmer, hire Holtz.

Just kidding......about Holtz that is.

Go Vols!
 
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Kurevol, I totally agree with what you said and there will always be people on here that jump to the wrong conclusion and take things the wrong way. You didn't mean anything other than the fact that you've supported the Vols for a long time and are an avid fan who feels like he has earned the right to share his opinion. Well, if others don't start sharing your opinion, and that includes the AD and other important decision makers, we will be in a hole so deep that even 3 star athletes won't be interested in putting on the orange jersey. What is the holdup? Why doesn't Hamilton quit putting up with this mediocre crap. At the end of the season, whether we win out or lose the rest, I expect a complete change in the coaching staff or we need to find a new AD who can listen to reason.
 
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KureVol said:
First of all I am a lifelong fan of Tennessee sports, especially football. My wife and I both graduated from UT in the 90's. I give money to the university every year. That being said, I have bought the right, unlike some people on this forum, to criticize and call for a major change at Tennessee. I have attended over 100 games supporting the Vols. I have noticed that the Vols have taken on the persona of Fulmer.
Tennessee football, once a team that was as fierce and hard hitting as they come, have become soft as they have allowed other teams to catch up with them over the past five seasons. I believe that the blame lies with Fulmer. The teams of the past five seasons have shown a lack of discipline, desire and heart. The coach needs to lead by example. His lack of enthusiasm and charisma has rubbed off on the players. We need a Bruce Pearl-like football coach that doesn't give a damn about running up the score or saying the right things at a press conference. We need a badass to bring this program up to speed. Mike Hamilton needs to look outside the Tennessee football family and bring in a proven winner. I live in football poor North Carolina, and even UNC went out and snagged Butch Davis. Give him 3 years and he will have them competing for the ACC. I have to admit that in order for Hamilton to make a change UT will have to lose at least seven games this season. Remember, 6-6 will get the Emerald Nut Bowl (ask FSU) I am not rooting for UT to lose those games, but this season has given way to apathy. It does not matter anymore. UT WILL lose to GA, AL, USC, ARK, VANDY, and KY. That should merit change in the Fulmer regime. I don't have the heart to see my beloved Vols flounder through the remainder of the season. Next year I will be among the 105,000+ fans welcoming in a new era of Vol football with a new leader at the helm. Until then "It's Basketball Time in Tennessee."
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Hey, I own the right to complain because I bought a piece of Shields-Watkins Field's artificial turf when they replaced it with real grass!!!!(It's in my office).

Anyway, welcome aboard. The majority of share your frustration. It's is much more congenial around here when the Vols are winning.:hi:
 
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points are well taken. i agree that the game seems to have passed fulmer by. the frustrating part to me is that we won 100 games in the 90's folks, and carried hardly any of that momentum into this decade. sure, we played and got upset for the SECC in 01 and flat out got beat in 04. but my point is this: one would think that we would see a continuing trend of success, given the recruiting he has been able to do. i know this lends itself to the "how often is realistically often to play in the SECCG" argument, but a few teams have simply passed us by :cray:, and our friends in lexington are getting close...... seems to me the fulmer apologists are fewer and farther between nowadays. i sincerely hope he can salvage some type of decent season and move on respectfully.....maybe retire to the athletic department (with no direct hiring duties lol). just my :twocents:
 
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We need to take a poll on who thinks kurevol will ever post here again after the thrashing yall game him lol :rofl:
 
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